comparison of a bunch of breeders' mostly UP gear & quality

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
i just closed down a failed SCROG breeding program with a bunch of great strains. well the breeding part went well this time actually, but the "concentrating all growth on buds" top down & bottom up pruning left my gals with too little fan leaf for making babies and they eventually died off leaving just bud leaf. i knew i didn't like the sound of "get rid of any leaf that's below another one or and bud in the shade because it'll be popcorn blah blah blah" SCROG method. if you get rid of too many leaves, your plant won't have enough growth energy. from now on, i'm just going to let my gals stretch out & overlap at least one layer as i'm going to keep breeding.

to add to the stress my gals were going through trying to make a hundred or so babies each with nothing but bud leaf on many strains, i forgot to turn my fan on one night when i took it off 24h and heat stressed the heck out of the shortened cola sticks as well as the taller stretchy plants. the malawi gold in particular took it bad and eventually many of the plants developed what i'd be inclined to call "hot spot burns" that turned fan leaves and leaf tips calico.

i have plenty of beans to test next grow all knocked up by my last surviving joey weed C99 x A11 male plant. the winner of the best buzz award including "time pressure" is jack's cleaner 2 by TGA subcool. that and high quality seeds haze x skunk are in a close tie for favorite doable bud. the haze skunk was grown under a halide and the cleaner under a sodium in a rushed last minute grow, but that JC2 is awesome. the tops i took when this one burned were trippy! i recall a stone under the buzz, but not a KO. the really fun part was it's touchy feely buzz that reminded me of awesome buzzing but hideous tasting diesel based (an abomination! fuck oil to the hell it vomits from!) onyx by short stuff but it gave me the weirdest "body effect" i've ever had. even weirder than the lighter than air effect you get from columbian gold. when i was stroking either my chest, neck or leg & grooving on the touchy feely buzz that's cool enough in itself, i got the sensation that colors were rippling out of wherever i was touching in waves of invisible tie dye colors that made me laugh my ass off when i took it all in. oh that is a fun buzz and i'm getting more and that 9 week wonder is going to spray some ladies next grow. i might have found a life partner with JC2 if it only gets better than what i sampled.

haze skunk by HQS isn't shabby either. it's not quite as trippy and leans more towards clear headed motivation with little more than lead eye for stone. it's yucky cigar wrapper cheesy taste isn't a favorite of mine at all, but i like it better than diesel any day, i hated whatever diesel i scored once too. it's a vile unnatural taste to me. deal with it if your a tailpipe sucker! LOL this grow, i decided to try their thai skunk. it was good, but not as potent or long lasting as haze skunk which is the most potent & long lasting NAMED sativa dominant strain i've ever smoked to this day. i smoked someone's bud i couldn't score at any price (why i despise greed weed indicas!) that i'm positive had trippy columbian gold in it if it wasn't pure as it had that familiar minty weedy pine taste that brought right back to the 80s followed by the light giddy feeling you get in your stomach when you know you're gonna be gettin' high right quick and eventually mild room spinning get me the fuck out of here with this dude who won't stop playing fucking heavy metal guitar hero paranoia that was familar too. the haze skunk wasn't that trippy or visual, but it was way stickier and potent too with a longer lasting buzz, high ceilings and little tolerance building so that the buzz didn't turn to pure stone after a month of wake & bake needing a week's clense to get high again and actually started building up in my system giving me a mild 24/7 perma buzz with low grade nausea (probably partly due to dieting on that manna) that was easy to tune out in favor of euphoric motivation. for that nice of a buzz, i'll put up with a disgusting, but mild flavor any day just as i would getting dry heaves from disgusting licorice tasting durban poison for that decent high if that was all there was. i'd smoke some right now if i could.

i also grew some nice enough black label seeds' masterkush. they're supposedly a sister company to high quality according to something i read, but they at least use the same kind of annoying lose your seeds & destroy the packaging while you're at it plastic domes wedged between 2 layers of cardboard style packs. the masterkush buzz didn't impress me as it was mid stony, but it's a fast flowering and compact SOG plant with mild odor whose buzz is no worse than skunk #1. it's a good strain for cash croppers who don't mind breeding to get enough seeds for a grow or PC cabinet stealth grows. the keeper pheno i'm going to use had cool bright dark red seed pods that faded to a brownish color after a few days. the seeds themselves were actually red stained at their bases a little too when i first popped them out before pan frying the bud. it's a much better strain for shrinking & speeding up big tropicals without polluting them with the afghanicrap that dominates 99.999999% of street weed in most markets outside cali. both HQS & BLS are good value breeders in my book and the haze skunk is a deal of the century for what it does. i like it's cool alternating popcorn bud every inch or two branching pattern. it'd be awesome SCROGged. i want to put it head to head with jack right between my halide and sodium and see what's what.

i was really impressed with the jon sinclair sativa trans love freebie i got. i recall the buzz was "generic" mostly clear headed euphoria with motivation buzz i'm going to call "fruity haze" which many of the strains i tested shared. this one had a really odd silicone worm lure note to it's odor in early flowering that faded to a more fruity note later. if the buzz was familiar, the growth pattern wasn't! as soon as i flipped it, it stopped stretching and exploded resin faster than anything else except the autoflowering kush. oh that strain is cabinet magic and might just boot cindy & apollo out of my "ultimate indoor thai" quest if it's flowering time is as speedy as it's getting into it time. it left everything else in the dust and gave me a nice flat top with 8 or so nuggets of fun

i have mixed opinions on DNA genetics gear. the highest odor in the grow novelty flavor was interesting enough, but it was probably the stoniest plant in the grow. it wasn't bad really, i just have no use for any couchlock if it can be avoided. their sweet haze though was way more my speed and was the finest smoking fruity haze in the grow. it was just a little fruitier and stickier than the others even if it was a stretcher. it reminded me of short stuff's delicious grape tasting (under halides anyways... didn't get grape out of 2x grape SCH x C99 under my sodium for some reason... maybe the different soil mix?) i only got one little gram from my SCH freebie, but a member here said they thought the buzz was too short to be notable. i don't recall duration, but i liked the textbook haze classy buzz & taste a bunch. i also like DNA's nice lemon skunk freebie i tested last year. it had both a better flavor and buzz than skunk #1 and surprised me. their gear has clear personalities and nice quality to back it. i might buy something from them in the future. all 3 strains were clearly above average, even stony but delicious smelling sour cream. med users with a sweet tooth would eat that up.

on the fruity haze & jack's front, rokerij's bargain basement amnesia haze more than held it's own against very similar kannabia thai fantasy, CH9's jack, & female seeds' auto jack. the only loser really in the sweet haze camp was greenhouse seeds' super (really?) lemon haze. LOL it lived down to greenhouse's reputation. it took 4-5 nodes for it to stop mutating and grow straight and it ended up the absolute slowest flowering strain in the grow. it proved to be too much trouble and slow where trans love was right up it's alley in a fraction of the time and sweet haze was doing it better. i didn't get a hermie out of anything though so greenhouse dodged them balls in my grow.

barney's farm
LSD was a lot like a cross between masterkush and a fruity haze with a nasty KO creeper stone. i could have done without the hints of catpiss pheno haze in early flowering even if it faded to a more floral grape later, but it was one of the sexiest plants i've ever seen and was a little over half the height of short pheno C99 it was groiwing with with tons of sticky resin. not my kind of buzz. their laughing buddha sounds more my speed, but i've tried to get it to pop twice to no avail. the second time, it snapped itself in half wedged in a peat pellet's hole.

mandala's out of circulation until 2013 8 miles high is a top 5 strain for me for now. it had a really classy haze type buzz with a totally energy neutral buzz with no race or stone, but with plenty of playful euphoria that's happy watching a movie, but loves dancing too. i'd really like to see that one reach it's full potential as i screwed up what i intended to be a cloning project by scamming my nodes for this awesome 24/7 friendly mellow buzz that's just right. it's a bargain too.

you can't get joey weed beans anymore, but his 45 day C99 was nice! it wasn't really psychoactive, but more clearheaded and euphoric with an extra dose or racy motivation not unlike super racy & euphoric kali mist. i like trippier highs, but his C99 is great for activities and the slightly grape hints are nice too. it's buzz isn't happy chilling out though making it too specific a strain for anything but activities.

serious seeds' ORIGINAL crushed red pepper tasting kali mist was way above awesome even if the new spice hater fruitier version shares the same buzz. an insane can't sit still with as much nearly shroom level euphoria buzz should be expected from a $100+ strain that takes 17 weeks to finish. the original flavor was a favorite. i'd expect the 2.0 to be bland and leaning into fruity haze territory, but it's the speediest strain out there i'd bet and no matter what you're doing, you're grinning & humming.

holy smoke seeds' malawi gold looks promising. it's faster flowering and less of an uppity crossdressing diva than highland thai and i really liked what was hinted at in the early bud i took when it was the hardest hit heat stressed strain. i could see that stuff morphing into a trippy monster once those tops start plumping. i'll be really keen to knock that shit up with JC2 as both strains are trippy & lemony and a perfect match as malawi is the trippy heavyweight in theory while JC2 is the sprinter of the two and trippy enough in it's own right.

the one breeder i have no love at all for personally has to be vancouver island seedbank (or was it really kindseed's fault?) when i got nothing for my $62 worth of burmese but mutant aborts. i've had bad luck with barney & greenhouse, but 1:3 kicks 0:10s ass.

hope this helps you find some gear that's just your style or at the right price or a top choice for fems etc. i really wanted to see who to believe on rokerij reporting. one smoke report really praised their amnesia haze while another report elsewhere implied they were cheap schwag. the biggest insult i can toss at their gear is that "it's merely average in a field of way the fuck better than stone street beasters gear that's more expensive". that's pretty good in my book.
 

althor

Well-Known Member
Heh, so another FAILED grow attempt by HazeyGrapes, who woulda thought it...

So after 20 years of bragging about his grows he is still 0fer.

And still giving people advice on how to grow. Laughable.
 

canna_420

Well-Known Member
Heh, so another FAILED grow attempt by HazeyGrapes, who woulda thought it...

So after 20 years of bragging about his grows he is still 0fer.

And still giving people advice on how to grow. Laughable.
Where does it say that????
 

canna_420

Well-Known Member
i just closed down a failed SCROG breeding program with a bunch of great strains. well the breeding part went well this time actually, but the "concentrating all growth on buds" top down & bottom up pruning left my gals with too little fan leaf for making babies and they eventually died off leaving just bud leaf. i knew i didn't like the sound of "get rid of any leaf that's below another one or and bud in the shade because it'll be popcorn blah blah blah" SCROG method. if you get rid of too many leaves, your plant won't have enough growth energy. from now on, i'm just going to let my gals stretch out & overlap at least one layer as i'm going to keep breeding.

to add to the stress my gals were going through trying to make a hundred or so babies each with nothing but bud leaf on many strains, i forgot to turn my fan on one night when i took it off 24h and heat stressed the heck out of the shortened cola sticks as well as the taller stretchy plants. the malawi gold in particular took it bad and eventually many of the plants developed what i'd be inclined to call "hot spot burns" that turned fan leaves and leaf tips calico.

i have plenty of beans to test next grow all knocked up by my last surviving joey weed C99 x A11 male plant. the winner of the best buzz award including "time pressure" is jack's cleaner 2 by TGA subcool. that and high quality seeds haze x skunk are in a close tie for favorite doable bud. the haze skunk was grown under a halide and the cleaner under a sodium in a rushed last minute grow, but that JC2 is awesome. the tops i took when this one burned were trippy! i recall a stone under the buzz, but not a KO. the really fun part was it's touchy feely buzz that reminded me of awesome buzzing but hideous tasting diesel based (an abomination! fuck oil to the hell it vomits from!) onyx by short stuff but it gave me the weirdest "body effect" i've ever had. even weirder than the lighter than air effect you get from columbian gold. when i was stroking either my chest, neck or leg & grooving on the touchy feely buzz that's cool enough in itself, i got the sensation that colors were rippling out of wherever i was touching in waves of invisible tie dye colors that made me laugh my ass off when i took it all in. oh that is a fun buzz and i'm getting more and that 9 week wonder is going to spray some ladies next grow. i might have found a life partner with JC2 if it only gets better than what i sampled.

haze skunk by HQS isn't shabby either. it's not quite as trippy and leans more towards clear headed motivation with little more than lead eye for stone. it's yucky cigar wrapper cheesy taste isn't a favorite of mine at all, but i like it better than diesel any day, i hated whatever diesel i scored once too. it's a vile unnatural taste to me. deal with it if your a tailpipe sucker! LOL this grow, i decided to try their thai skunk. it was good, but not as potent or long lasting as haze skunk which is the most potent & long lasting NAMED sativa dominant strain i've ever smoked to this day. i smoked someone's bud i couldn't score at any price (why i despise greed weed indicas!) that i'm positive had trippy columbian gold in it if it wasn't pure as it had that familiar minty weedy pine taste that brought right back to the 80s followed by the light giddy feeling you get in your stomach when you know you're gonna be gettin' high right quick and eventually mild room spinning get me the fuck out of here with this dude who won't stop playing fucking heavy metal guitar hero paranoia that was familar too. the haze skunk wasn't that trippy or visual, but it was way stickier and potent too with a longer lasting buzz, high ceilings and little tolerance building so that the buzz didn't turn to pure stone after a month of wake & bake needing a week's clense to get high again and actually started building up in my system giving me a mild 24/7 perma buzz with low grade nausea (probably partly due to dieting on that manna) that was easy to tune out in favor of euphoric motivation. for that nice of a buzz, i'll put up with a disgusting, but mild flavor any day just as i would getting dry heaves from disgusting licorice tasting durban poison for that decent high if that was all there was. i'd smoke some right now if i could.

i also grew some nice enough black label seeds' masterkush. they're supposedly a sister company to high quality according to something i read, but they at least use the same kind of annoying lose your seeds & destroy the packaging while you're at it plastic domes wedged between 2 layers of cardboard style packs. the masterkush buzz didn't impress me as it was mid stony, but it's a fast flowering and compact SOG plant with mild odor whose buzz is no worse than skunk #1. it's a good strain for cash croppers who don't mind breeding to get enough seeds for a grow or PC cabinet stealth grows. the keeper pheno i'm going to use had cool bright dark red seed pods that faded to a brownish color after a few days. the seeds themselves were actually red stained at their bases a little too when i first popped them out before pan frying the bud. it's a much better strain for shrinking & speeding up big tropicals without polluting them with the afghanicrap that dominates 99.999999% of street weed in most markets outside cali. both HQS & BLS are good value breeders in my book and the haze skunk is a deal of the century for what it does. i like it's cool alternating popcorn bud every inch or two branching pattern. it'd be awesome SCROGged. i want to put it head to head with jack right between my halide and sodium and see what's what.

i was really impressed with the jon sinclair sativa trans love freebie i got. i recall the buzz was "generic" mostly clear headed euphoria with motivation buzz i'm going to call "fruity haze" which many of the strains i tested shared. this one had a really odd silicone worm lure note to it's odor in early flowering that faded to a more fruity note later. if the buzz was familiar, the growth pattern wasn't! as soon as i flipped it, it stopped stretching and exploded resin faster than anything else except the autoflowering kush. oh that strain is cabinet magic and might just boot cindy & apollo out of my "ultimate indoor thai" quest if it's flowering time is as speedy as it's getting into it time. it left everything else in the dust and gave me a nice flat top with 8 or so nuggets of fun

i have mixed opinions on DNA genetics gear. the highest odor in the grow novelty flavor was interesting enough, but it was probably the stoniest plant in the grow. it wasn't bad really, i just have no use for any couchlock if it can be avoided. their sweet haze though was way more my speed and was the finest smoking fruity haze in the grow. it was just a little fruitier and stickier than the others even if it was a stretcher. it reminded me of short stuff's delicious grape tasting (under halides anyways... didn't get grape out of 2x grape SCH x C99 under my sodium for some reason... maybe the different soil mix?) i only got one little gram from my SCH freebie, but a member here said they thought the buzz was too short to be notable. i don't recall duration, but i liked the textbook haze classy buzz & taste a bunch. i also like DNA's nice lemon skunk freebie i tested last year. it had both a better flavor and buzz than skunk #1 and surprised me. their gear has clear personalities and nice quality to back it. i might buy something from them in the future. all 3 strains were clearly above average, even stony but delicious smelling sour cream. med users with a sweet tooth would eat that up.

on the fruity haze & jack's front, rokerij's bargain basement amnesia haze more than held it's own against very similar kannabia thai fantasy, CH9's jack, & female seeds' auto jack. the only loser really in the sweet haze camp was greenhouse seeds' super (really?) lemon haze. LOL it lived down to greenhouse's reputation. it took 4-5 nodes for it to stop mutating and grow straight and it ended up the absolute slowest flowering strain in the grow. it proved to be too much trouble and slow where trans love was right up it's alley in a fraction of the time and sweet haze was doing it better. i didn't get a hermie out of anything though so greenhouse dodged them balls in my grow.

barney's farm
LSD was a lot like a cross between masterkush and a fruity haze with a nasty KO creeper stone. i could have done without the hints of catpiss pheno haze in early flowering even if it faded to a more floral grape later, but it was one of the sexiest plants i've ever seen and was a little over half the height of short pheno C99 it was groiwing with with tons of sticky resin. not my kind of buzz. their laughing buddha sounds more my speed, but i've tried to get it to pop twice to no avail. the second time, it snapped itself in half wedged in a peat pellet's hole.

mandala's out of circulation until 2013 8 miles high is a top 5 strain for me for now. it had a really classy haze type buzz with a totally energy neutral buzz with no race or stone, but with plenty of playful euphoria that's happy watching a movie, but loves dancing too. i'd really like to see that one reach it's full potential as i screwed up what i intended to be a cloning project by scamming my nodes for this awesome 24/7 friendly mellow buzz that's just right. it's a bargain too.

you can't get joey weed beans anymore, but his 45 day C99 was nice! it wasn't really psychoactive, but more clearheaded and euphoric with an extra dose or racy motivation not unlike super racy & euphoric kali mist. i like trippier highs, but his C99 is great for activities and the slightly grape hints are nice too. it's buzz isn't happy chilling out though making it too specific a strain for anything but activities.

serious seeds' ORIGINAL crushed red pepper tasting kali mist was way above awesome even if the new spice hater fruitier version shares the same buzz. an insane can't sit still with as much nearly shroom level euphoria buzz should be expected from a $100+ strain that takes 17 weeks to finish. the original flavor was a favorite. i'd expect the 2.0 to be bland and leaning into fruity haze territory, but it's the speediest strain out there i'd bet and no matter what you're doing, you're grinning & humming.

holy smoke seeds' malawi gold looks promising. it's faster flowering and less of an uppity crossdressing diva than highland thai and i really liked what was hinted at in the early bud i took when it was the hardest hit heat stressed strain. i could see that stuff morphing into a trippy monster once those tops start plumping. i'll be really keen to knock that shit up with JC2 as both strains are trippy & lemony and a perfect match as malawi is the trippy heavyweight in theory while JC2 is the sprinter of the two and trippy enough in it's own right.

the one breeder i have no love at all for personally has to be vancouver island seedbank (or was it really kindseed's fault?) when i got nothing for my $62 worth of burmese but mutant aborts. i've had bad luck with barney & greenhouse, but 1:3 kicks 0:10s ass.

hope this helps you find some gear that's just your style or at the right price or a top choice for fems etc. i really wanted to see who to believe on rokerij reporting. one smoke report really praised their amnesia haze while another report elsewhere implied they were cheap schwag. the biggest insult i can toss at their gear is that "it's merely average in a field of way the fuck better than stone street beasters gear that's more expensive". that's pretty good in my book.
Nice reviews dude,
 

althor

Well-Known Member
Uh the very first sentence... It says "I just closed down a failed scrog attempt"

Notice he is giving a grow and smoke report on "BUD LEAF". What do you think he means by "BUD LEAF". It means he is smoking the under developed WHITE PISTOLED little baby buds.


Here's a good question, how many weeks into flower were they before you cut them down? Two or three weeks?
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
first off, althor is a useless lying troll who stalked me here from another forum and who secretly jerks off to my pic when no one's looking because him little feelers musta got hurt when i called greedy indica cash croppers who refuse to get anyone high scum. for some reason in particular... he lost his fucking mind when i reviewed unimpressive LSD claiming it was all lies. i don't fucking lie! if i did, would i be here saying i fucked my grow up and looking bad as i've done before? i NEVER claimed to be a champion grower, but fuck any bitch who says i don't know how to do a smoke report or use fucking adjectives! LOL

they also could have an issue because i despise most grow reports that are nothing but pics and stats with no actual fucking smoke reporting. i don't give a shit about pics or nute levels because you can't smoke them and they don't tell you if a strain will get you stoned and pissed off yet again. my mantra is "get me high or fuck off and die!"

as to Om's question... i intended to SCROG my 20 or so gals and get a bunch of tightly packed top colas, but pruning and breeding don't go together. live and learn. i can admit my mistakes and failures. i'm secure in my own skin.

the thing is i DESPISE indicas. i instantly hated them the first time i scored probably a gram each of 2 strains for the $8 i had in my pocket because i started out smoking real trippy ass columbian gold and it spoiled me forever. if i'd started out smoking "indo" instead, you can bet your ass i never would have blazed a second time and it took some peer pressure at work to even get me to try gold at work after taking a few hits a couple times with a cousin & getting nothing out of it before.

i've tried to grow a bunch of times, but just can't resist the lure of getting high because it's the most enjoyable thing in the world to me and i've craved it without ever being able to score it from indica pushing greedy scum for over 25 years. i can't resist it and i DON'T have impulse control issues for ANYTHING else except maybe gourmet food. i can turn sex from a hottie i don't like down, but can't stay away from the lure of getting high.

[video=youtube;8Gmc6S8Ffws]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gmc6S8Ffws[/video]

part of my plan to complete this grow was also buying a 1/2 ounce of bud (that ironically came from seeds i gifted) but i think the grower fucking froze the bud and scraped the glands because there was zero resin on the outside of the bud and what should have lasted me a month was blazed in just a week and a fucking half, but it wouldn't have made a difference because top and bottom pruning and breeding just doesn't mix. in that regard, my first grow went better even if i harvested early and got mostly green beans, but at least this time i got some fully darkened beans from every gal in my garden. i think it would have went way better if i just let a screen overgrow. my unpruned gals last year produced way more weight and bigger buds because i left the fan leaves alone.

i'm not taking the fucking blame for my results other than stupidly forgetting to turn the fan on in the end because i was following SCROG method PRECISELY! top your gals for more bud sites (i didn't really have the extra month needed for that BTW) and trim everything below your top cola layer concentrating all of your growth energy on top colas. the DIFFERENCE is i wasn't growing since and beans are huge energy sinks. i was bravely voyaging into uncharted territory FEW growers will as everyone's a seed hater. i did the right thing and got unexpected results.

like i said... i'm not big on pics, but i wanted to get at least one of my C99 x A11 male doing it's thing and have 1 i took of the malawi gold to show what heat burn looks like

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now i know when you SCROG AND breed at the same time... DON'T fuck with your fan leaves! i knew there was a reason i never trusted that tech fully. it's the exact same thing as topping plants for leaf trim. when you keep taking the fan leaves below new growth, eventually it won't have enough energy and you'll get stunted colas. the same thing happens with breeding though even if you don't touch a bud's supporting fan leaves because if that's all they have, the leaves can't make enough energy to produce woody seeds that don't contribute to photosynthesis like sinse buds do. NOBODY probably knows that except rare as eclipses breeders. i did the same exact thing as cash croppers in the training department and got different results because of the breeding. live and learn.

i'm not an expert grower yet and never claimed to be, but i AM a fucking expert smoker and can get down to the really nitty gritty details on any strain like few who think "this shit is fucking dank!" & "best shit ever!" actually mean something when there's zero talk of even couchlock which is an abomination as far as i'm concerned.

i'm glad my info helped at least one person. get some lowdown here.

oh... here's a pic of the fucking stony shit resin free schwag that was supposed to be my insurance policy and keep me from sampling. i delayed top & bottom pruning BTW so i could get some popcorn along the way and that probably ate some growth energy too.

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nope! no fucking resin there! i had previously told that dealer to fuck himself and maybe he scammed the resin as payback, but that shit fucking sucked and suck on this althor... my fucking leaf trim kicks those sorry ass pissweak stoner buds ass 3x around the block! my leaf is just as potent, but gets me fucking high. my leaf is better than your bud! FACT! i don't care how fucking big your top colas are or how resinous. if it doesn't get you high, it's absolutely WORTHLESS! i'll smoke mexican brick before ANY of the fucking useless indicrap from greedy scum i've had to put up with for a couple decades by now.

oh yeah... i've only cloned a nirvana haze skunk and a couple 8 miles highs, but sampled their nodes thinking new ones would emerge. i'm not really into cloning as it requires a mother room that i just don't have the space for and i LIKE seeded weed. given a choice between the same bud with and without seeds, i'd rather have the seeded one myself.

i think i'll do some cloning next time though for a max yield so i can FINALLY get on the surplus side of budville as well as test the difference between halide & sodium as both joey weed's C99 and especially short stuff's super cali haze haze had grape flavors under my halide last year, but the cross of the two i made was merely fruity under my sodium. it was similar to all the other fruity hazes, but i was proud of it because it was my first successful cross ever and NOW i've got 75% C99 25% A11 beans that are fully mature! i'll have to take a pic of all of my babies when i get them all sorted out. the next time i grow... i WILL NOT be starved for beans and will have some extra to pick at to keep me going as i'm not pissing any more money away on schwaggy's gear again. that's a big part of why i bought the masterkush and that crossed with the cindy apollo will be my side grow next time.

my grows don't go well because that's the only place in the entire fucking world of greedy scumbags i can get high and i cannot resist the lure of getting high ever. i will endure the vile tastes of diesel, catpiss or cigar wrappers to get high or even the double dose of disgusting licorice with a side order of dry heaves in durban poison just to get high. anyone that expects me to apologize for that can kiss my hairy exit!

get me high or fuck off and die!

my genetics are also going to go to a couple sources and improve the world and push back against indicrap a little so fuck off! this grow was a success if not giving me the 300-700 or more grams i was expecting.

low yield? yes
forced early harvest? yes
viable seeds? FUCK YEAH BITCH!!!!
got high? oh fucking yeah... did i get fucking high a lot
get some useless comparisons? DUH!

i'm not going to ask for any bitches approval for the way i grow& smoke! if i get hit by a bus today, i got high as a motherfucker all last month! i'll take QUALITY over quantity every time and don't give a shit what any "bag appeal" (more like "bag schwag"!!!!!) traits some thin skinned cash crapping baby measure my success over. if you aren't 100% about getting high, your opinions on my lust for it mean absolutely nothing to me as YOU'RE the purveyor of schwag if you're not growing for getting high and nothing BUT getting high. you're just a greedy ass kissing sheep as far as i'm concerned. i take a shit on your afghani bitch!

anyone getting the impression i have zero use for getting stoned yet?

unlike trolls too, i don't give a rat's ass who despises getting high. that's their biz and i don't thai (pun intended) up all of my insecurities in what other people think of what i prefer. keep your afghani the fuck away from me and you don't have to smoke my connouisseur grade shit if you don't want to, but when i have more than i can smoke, i'd give it to ya if you're not an asshole because i'm in this shit 110% for the love!

MY MOTIVES ARE PURE AND MY SHIT'S BETTER THAN YOURS!

the next step for me is to grow a lot of JC2 and haze skunk next time instead of more testing so i'll have nothing but top of the line shit that will bring tears of joy to any old schooler's eye. i'll leave the ass kissing greedy sum indica crap to 99% of the rest of ya and share my shit with those that crave it and appreciate it.

the "WORST" strain i grew this time, sour cream, alone was better than ANYTHING you can find in much of NY state and most of it kicked EVERYTHING i've ever bought's for 25 years in 3 states' ass 100x around the block. you think your heroana is better than my jack's cleaner 2 bitch? fuck off!

those that only want to get high know what i mean.

if you want more pictures and details on my grow... i reluctantly made a journal for no reason other than "STFU troll!" value for any piece of shit that calls me a liar.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/509473-get-high-multi-strain-scrog.html#post7069737

i ONLY care about smoke reports myself. that's it, nothing more, just a simple fucking heads up on if a strain is another useless couchlocking strain or if it has actual get high value and that info ain't easy to come by even when you beg and plead for descriptions of couchlock levels at long gone overgrow from foold trying to push super silver haze & apollo 11 on you that refuse to talk about couchlock levels. that's why i went with C99 first... couchlock isn't in it's vocabulary in joey weed's version at least even if it's more of an activities strain than trippy fun.

there's a whole fucking world of amazing SATIVA effects most growers either refuse to talk about or just don't know how to. that "ripples of color" effect from JC2 was a TOTALLY new one for me! i have to get the word out on that one! it's exactly what disenfranchised tokers who miss getting really really high can waste years trying to find because no one is giving them buzz specifics or comparisons. trust me, i went nuts trying to get the kind of info i share here every chance i get since around '04 as no one else speaks "what's the buzz like?"

if all you want is pics, that's everyone else's gig. it's useless dime a dozen spam as far as i'm concerned, but real smoke reporting is worth it's weight in columbian gold in my world.
 

althor

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Of course anyone with even a little sense can look at join date and see I was here several months before Hazey Grapes signed on. Also you can ask one simple question, he claims to have bred seeds. Its about 2 weeks into flowering when your pistols start showing really well before you pollinate, it takes about 6 weeks for seeds to mature, total of 8 weeks, yet he admits he cant control himself and smokes it as soon as it develops flowers (3-4weeks is the longest his "grows" have ever gone) and then claims to have viable mature seeds from the "breedings". Of course, I dont have to point out any of this, anyone who has ever grown a strain from beginning to full maturity can see through his pack of lies. Last time he posted here (a couple months ago) someone asked him about his current grow. He replied he didnt have a current grow. TWO HOURS LATER in the same thread he posted pics of some 4 inch seedlings and said he decided to go ahead and start a grow. Ok so in two hours he claimed to have germinated seeds, planted them, and they grew 4 inches...
 

yesum

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You have more failed grows than? I must say you must be a perfectionist or something, I took crappy plants to finish so I would have something to toke. Over pruning does not necessitate taking a grow down.

Aside from that, I have said before, if you want old time Colombian flavor and effect try the ACE Panama Red. I will run it with uvb light in flower next time as it is a intense sunlight strain in the originally. I had no wanting of the old Colombian, Yucatan smoke of the 70's when I smoked the Panama. It was just as good as what I had back then. I never had Panama Red back then but know about quality South American sativas.
 

hazey grapes

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yeah... ace is the place from what i've heard a few times. i forgot that had PR. i was going to get some orient express, but attitude was out. i know both my nirvana full moon and holy smokes will both at least be nice. really, i like thai the best not just for the high, but that tutti fruity flavor just brings back memories of "juicy fruit" rainbow lollypops on shopping trips. i had terrible results with the 2 i tested as they took forever to flip and the one that grudgingly did after something like 4 months only turned hermie in a branch like real highland thai does with a terrible nothing but stone buzz at the start of flowering. when i get serious about breeding an indoor strain "better than jack cleaner 2 & haze skunk" maybe with malawi gold which i wanted to do with the pure SHIT VISC burmese i got at (UN?)kindseeds and C99 back in the day.

it's cool people are growing out a legit panama. i'd like to see some breeders start taking revived strains and breeding them for indoor with new un-afghani strains like cindy and okey dokey sativa trans. start with good unpolluted genes and work them with "little wannabes that try real hard to trip you out without knockin' ya like apollo" and autos to make superior indoor hazes.

i'm most keen on the grape and tutti fruity thai flavors for jah's love old schoolin', but i like spicy cambodian pepper OG kali mist flavor better. i KNOW a lot of cheese lovin' bland food lovers can't handle a fraction on that strains hotter than a jalapeno flavor which is why they wussed it out with a fruitier strain in the flavor department at least. i wanted to put some lemon in that and make a curry. so many phenos and so little space. i still have 1 kali mist bean left that might not be viable as the one i dropped before it didn't pop, but i didn't have a dome & heater when i dropped it and had no shows with other strains in a cool big room with a single 400w halide. if i were using the KM, it'd be my breeder if i got a male, but HT or cannabible mention high fem rates for kali mist so it could be femmed. i'm sure if i can pop mine, it'd be a 2.0. it'd be fun to do a comparison. KM would be a good cloner to let fill the center line of a SCROG screen for 17 weeks while doing faster strains that you can transplant in the outer edges.

just like with 8 miles high and haze skunk as i've said every chance i get to push back against the indica street bully, i could live happily with nothing but jack's cleaner 2, no prob. pretty much everything i pushed to produce too hard for BREEDING (not budding, can i get a SCROG witness?) was bitchin' really. there were some differences in THC. one of the jacks had a stony kick, but high euphoria and trip too, so it was probably resin level related.

i still have a couple POTENTIALLY grape (i bet it's the near UV of halide that brings that out... will test that theory out with clones & report the TRUTH for my own reference) super cali haze autos i'm saving for a fruit salad grow that i'd like to compare against sweet haze. THAT is just what it says it is and me likee! i liked all of my gals, even cheesy boring sour cream. stoners would love her.

ace panama sounds like something fun to try when i can give those big berthas the bonbons and tin chin reflectors the need for their waddle tans. i'd even be inclined to add a 2nd halide for trying that, but smaller & faster stuff works for me at least for now. i love jack's C2, haze skunk, 8 miles high, sweet haze & sativa trans just fine as they all are. they might not impress an uber snob whose had IBL action for decades, but a majority of us po folk are happy as clams with 'em and even the others that refuse to dance with afghanistan. (i don't mean that in the socio-political jingoism way... i just can't stand the plant and how it's hunger for world domination and power knows no bounds raping every columbian gold and thai virgin it can (and i don't mean that in the otherwise creepy in itself "believe my propaganda and you get 42 virgins" none of 'em ever get it right when no one corrects the aholes in a mob they're all roots of either good or evil depending on whether the person who believes them is true or just another fidiot ahole with an invisible god who they imagine ordering to kick anyone's ass they don't like and that's pretty much everyone... often within even the same religion reading the same book as in catholic & protestant hypochristans in the UK offing each other over whether the toilet paper roll should face in or out jihad/fox news baiting way)
 

hazey grapes

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OH! FUCK YEAH! i found i pic of my pride and joy!!!

2x grape under halide
super cali haze x C99
SCH x C99.jpg
that's my baby!

hazey grapes in da house!
say hellow to my little fruity booty girlfriend! hah... try yoinkin' the name foo! bitch is sticky when wet! it's more or less another sweet haze, but it's my personal one and between the SCH autofloering and C99 flowering time, i think it's C99 x A11 offspring are going to be really special if not STL (i like the nickname seattle for that better) grade resin machines i've always wanted to revive getting high with. i'd already coined a name or two for her before, but fruity booty totally suits HER chunky sweet ass. it's a shame that it's not something i can do anything with except clone if any of my few remaining beans are viable too, but i think the sweet haze cross with the 50% A11 this time might be more bitchin' than ann coulter on a twealed out rag. i might have to call them fruity beauty.

oh... BTW, that was the same cup it started out in when i bred it... talk about returning to your roots.

for a gal that doesn't couchlock, she has some fat ass leaves like her mom, so baby really did have some back. she, the JC2s and the STL were the brats i spoiled the most & showed favoritism to. i said i'd never do that like my parents did!
 

hazey grapes

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i've grown bud that gets you high and bred seeds for more of the same exactly two times now. i boast.

i'd estimate my total bud yield minus seeds at a couple dozen or more ounces at least.

oh yeah... the first bud i grew was flumpy's lowdown mystery auto. once it flipped itself under a shoplight, it just turned into a 10 inch if that dew covered hershey's kiss shaped dinosaur skunk turd. it was a potent stoner bud for sure and looked gorgeous, but she was just too funky to keep long. i'm not into any of that "bag appeal" style bud myself, but it was my first look at real resin glands. had it been a low odor NL5 lowryder instead, i would probably have a pic of that today.

that's OK though, i have an even better to my tastes, if scrawnier looking, masterkush bonsai lowryder mid with red pubes getting friendlier with an even better high strain that flowers the same 55 days to start selecting with. i really hope the scarlet MK pheno passes in the F2s. if my remaining and prized buddha's sister x G13 haze is/are male, i'd REALLY want to marry tart cherry with that gorgeous red that actually fades to a kind of cherry brown when i think of it. it was a hard color to describe, but the brilliant dark midnight red in flowering was memorable. it would be interesting in a fruity grape strain too though as grapes are red too.

all i know is that if masterkush skunk was used instead of afghani after the illegal paraquat eradications of "fuck your fascist military industrial complex i'm just chillin'!" los cucarachas to keep everyone blazing indoors, the weed market would be no more indica than 50% with stuff like jack herer being even more common than skunk #1 actually is now.

at least there's still fresh genes out there to be tapped with an almost infinite (don't know no fancy word for "really a fucking lot!") variety of superior genes worked up from those 1988 "really? you call that skunk #1 shit as good as columbian gold sven?" original building blocks.

even though C99 isn't a favorite smoke, i now know for sure it's an awesome strain that doesn't fuck shit up with "bag appeal" and that has to speed slow stuff up in flowering at least a little. it's a great breeder that'll help the next generation of breeders do way better than skunk #1 which ain't trippy at all and that's more of a mid than 75% any day.

i'd like to see what mosca's potent pineapple and other phenos C99 is like as well as FINALLY get to see what ANY apollo 11 is like, especially in something like bodhi's C99 removed genius pheno as i was always leery to try A11 because it sounded stony like skunk 1 but SOME stone isn't so bad if there's psychoavitity with it too and it doesn't actually get in your way, but most of the time, stone is just stone and nothing more to me. after trying "textbook smoking" if not flavored C99, maybe everyone was right and A11 and SSH were the best out there at the time unless everyone was ignoring high quality seed's haze skunk back around '04 too.

if some asks me what the best "trippy indoor thai" is, i'll say jack's cleaner 2 and haze skunk. sannies jack and one of the actual good dutch breeder's jack herers are supposed to be really good too. i tried just a little super silver haze last year, and it was better than i'd expected though i only had a few light hits.
 

Bad Karma

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first off, althor is a useless lying troll who stalked me here from another forum and who secretly jerks off to my pic when no one's looking because him little feelers musta got hurt when i called greedy indica cash croppers who refuse to get anyone high scum.

So because you don't like Indica growers, he jerks off to your picture?
What?
Where did he get your picture?
Did you send it to him?
You must have, otherwise, how else would he have gotten it?
Are you naked in the picture?
You must be, that's why he's jerking off, right?
So why are you sending naked pictures of yourself to other men that you think are scum?
You've got a weird fetish there fella, good luck with that.
 

hazey grapes

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

hey if someone stalks you because they love you, then someone who stalks you to try and say "fight! fight! fight!" like a playground instigator, then it's fair to say they love to hate me... do the math... masturbation is the next logical step. why else would they be photo obsessed?

"uhhhh *grunt* that hazey grapes is so annoying *grunt* with all his talk of how getting stoned is uhhh uhh uuuuhhhhh actively annoying *grunt* and how his leaf oh yeah oh yeah almost there now are better than my mmmmmmmmmm uhhhh mmmmmmmm hashish *grunt* and he won't even uhhh uh uh! show me pictures... he's lying like all of my OHHHHHHHH ERRRR UHHH UHHH UHHH UHHH dates... what's this? pictures? OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

he must have stole 'em everyone! fight fight fight! let's all beat him up! tell me you like me better than you like hazey grapes now and give me a napkin"


found some pics i didn't save in a dated folder from the start of flowering for everything
C99s and cream.jpghazes.jpgjacks.jpgmalaw gold and sweet haze.jpgmasterkush.jpgthai skunk.jpg
 

hazey grapes

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there's just a world off assholes out that think everyone needs their approval begging for beatdowns to the very last compound like godzilla got down on smog with
 

althor

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And your very first sentence of this thread was failed scrog.. Yeah looks like you failed to scrog it. You do know what scrog means dont you?
 
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