Hey BeaverHuntr, I do have a tent and if it all comes down to it I would throw everything into the tent. It should not have to come down to me trying to hide my grow. I don't think I could get rid of all the smell though. I also have plastic over his rugs which would need to be taken up and put in the tent before the tent gets filled up as the tent is on the plastic also. It can be done if needed. So far this suggestion would fit the bill if needed. THX....
What would you do in this case? Read now and comment fast. THX...
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Put it this way. You can either be right and prove and fight why you are right and risk everything. Or you can comply, hide your grow, move on with your life and start looking for a more friendly place while you finish flowering your plants which you hid from the landlord. Chose your battles, this one does not look like you have a good chance of escaping unscathed.
1337hacker
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From what I have seen across multiple cannabis cultivation forums, is that he seems pretty willing to not take any of the advice that he has been receiving from anyone around. It's like talking to a brick wall.
BeaverHuntr
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Thats his fault I gave him great advice " hide it in a grow tent " he even has one but is being stubborn. Look man this "cannabis culture" is sadly still frowned upon. The same reason I dont wear "420" t-shirts to work.. Hide everything in a tent seemed perfect to me, makes 100% sense and a jar of ona gel can do wonders to mask the scent.
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1337hacker
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Its not ok your right, but what can you really do? Seems like your willing to be a martyr for tenant rights.. Are you saying you would take an oath so seriously but not a contract you sign your name to? This country has strayed so far from the constitution that you are defending something that doesn't exist in reality.. As sad as that is...
It is sad that this country has strayed I agree. I disagree with the contract part. A contract is only a commercial instrument between people. Parts can be negated. An oath if truly given is before God and nothing can be negated. JMHO....
fuck god he does not run our justice sysem and an oath sounds like a verbal contract which does not usually hold as much water as a written contract and parts can not just be negated. you may think you are right but the law states otherwise, now if he sees your plants and then tries to evict you, then you have an actual case based on our laws not your bullshit opinion or how you feel about things.
here is another option, put a lock on the door of the room you have your plants in. the landlord has keys to the place but wont have a key to this room. tell them that you are going out of town and they can come do their inspection when you are gone. and do just that. lock everything in the room that they cant get into and clean up the rest of the house. if they ask you further about it tell them you rent it out to your cousin or something and they are never in town and you dont have the key. you should have already had a lock on the door as the amma states your grow must be in a locked closed facility that only the patient has access to. your front door does not count because the landlord has access to it and that means to your grow.
fatboyOGOF
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it's his house. 1 or 2 day notice is the law. end of discussion.
when i sold my house, i rented an apartment. i started a small grow. a month later i got notice they were coming through to spray for bugs. i was going to hide the plants but ended up trashing them. in the 11 months i was there, i got 3 notices that they were coming through to spray and one notice that they were coming to inspect. they came through once. i now live somewhere where i specifically said i wasn't going to put up with any inspection bullshit.
always be ready to tear things down. i rented a uhaul to store a bunch of plants once. pain in the ass but you got to do what you got to do.
when i sold my house, i rented an apartment. i started a small grow. a month later i got notice they were coming through to spray for bugs. i was going to hide the plants but ended up trashing them. in the 11 months i was there, i got 3 notices that they were coming through to spray and one notice that they were coming to inspect. they came through once. i now live somewhere where i specifically said i wasn't going to put up with any inspection bullshit.
always be ready to tear things down. i rented a uhaul to store a bunch of plants once. pain in the ass but you got to do what you got to do.
fatboyOGOF
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i love the glade etc plugins. i have 3 of them. put them on high and shazam. no pot smell and each room snmells like a lovely hawaiian flower .
BeaverHuntr
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Fuck yes... I use those in the hall way of my house.... Goddamn refills are expensive though.
I prefer the auto spray dispensers. Most will fit any can and I used to put ozium in them because it is the shit but I thin that they stopped making it or something so now I use ona spray which works pretty good. One time I had the cable Guy coming to fix my internet and the modem and router were in the room I was growing in. So I moved all the plants into tents in the closet, piled some junk in front of the closet, shut off all the ventilation, opened the windows and put one of those glade plugins in every room. The Guy had no idea.
BeaverHuntr
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Yeah I was thinking about buying one of those auto spray dispensers by Ona, figured it would be the perfect fit for the hallway since the grow room is in the hall way. I have a fan and filter on 24/7 but you can never be too careful. Last thing I want is my folks coming over and smelling my room.
Don't buy the ona dispenser it is over priced. Buy the glade or Lysol dispenser, the ona cans fit in it perfectly.
BeaverHuntr
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Good looking out my dude!
I've only read the first page, so perhaps someone addresses this further on.
You are focusing on it from the wrong angle. You are looking at it from the legalities of mmj and getting hung up based on fear. Shake it off, get a clear head, and look for the better angles. You need to look at it from the tenants rights, which, in AZ, are far more protective of the renter, not the landlord.
I don't know what is in your lease, but a standard leases would only allow access with permission and advanced notice of 48 hours. In the event of an emergency, they can enter the home. Emergency only!
Im not sure of your setup. I would place a keyed lock on the door. Even if there was an emergency, it would be unlikely that they would need to inspect that room. If you are legal, there is nothing they can do. If they find anything and you are legal, immediately retain a lawyer and sue for every cent you can get, and that would be quite a lot.
You are focusing on it from the wrong angle. You are looking at it from the legalities of mmj and getting hung up based on fear. Shake it off, get a clear head, and look for the better angles. You need to look at it from the tenants rights, which, in AZ, are far more protective of the renter, not the landlord.
I don't know what is in your lease, but a standard leases would only allow access with permission and advanced notice of 48 hours. In the event of an emergency, they can enter the home. Emergency only!
Im not sure of your setup. I would place a keyed lock on the door. Even if there was an emergency, it would be unlikely that they would need to inspect that room. If you are legal, there is nothing they can do. If they find anything and you are legal, immediately retain a lawyer and sue for every cent you can get, and that would be quite a lot.
AZ residential landlord & tenant act -
Article 3
33-1343
A. The tenant shall not unreasonably withhold consent to the landlord to enter into the dwelling unit in order to inspect the premises, make necessary or agreed repairs, decorations, alterations, or improvements, supply the necessary or agreed services or exhibit the dwelling unit to prospective or actual purchasers, mortgages, tenants, workmen or contractors.
B. if the tenant notifies the landlord of a service request or request for maintenance prescribed in section 33-1341, paragraph 8, the notice from the tenant constitutes permission from the tenant for the landlord to enter the dwelling unit pursuant to subsection D of this section FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ACTING ON THE SERVICE OR MAINTENANCE REQUIED.
C. the landlord may enter the dwelling unit w/o consent of the tenant IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
D. the landlord shall not abuse the right to access or use it to harass the tenant. Except in case of emergency or if it is impracticable to do so, the landlord shall give the tenant at least 2 days notivr of the landlord's intent to enter and only at reasonable times.
Section A applies to you, since your landlord has given you no feasible reason to inspect the building (just cuz doesn't qualify), he has no right to do so. If you were to need maintenance on your dryer and he tried to inspect the rest of the home while inside, he is violating your rights as well. It seems pretty clear cut that he has no purpose, other than snooping, and therefore has no rights. Even if he were to decide he wanted to hang up curtains suddenly, he can't do that either. Unless he has a purpose as in a buyer, he has no reason to suddenly want to decorate, thus not allowing for entry. Plus, most leases include things about the renter being responsible for such.
Glad that you are sending him a certified letter. I would also send him a copy of the az residential landlord tenants right. and I would also allude to hiring a lawyer and pursuing him to the fullest if he chooses to continue. Tell him you'll be billing him for your attorney. Nothing stops people like fear of financial burden. bottom line is this guy knows he's wrong or he already would have entered. He's bullying you so that you will give permission.
Lucius Vorenus
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LOL. Perhaps you forgot to read SECTION A.
YES. As a Landlord you may enter your property "Just cuz" anytime you wish. With 48hrs notice. Sorry if this doesn't seem fair to you but it's the case. I know. I do it all the time. Gotta protect my investments and keep tabs.
I'm not a spring chicken in this BTW. I own 8 rental homes and 1 strip mall. I know the laws. I "inspect the premises" regularly.
- A. The tenant shall not unreasonably withhold consent to the landlord to enter into the dwelling unit in order to inspect the premises, make necessary or agreed repairs, decorations, alterations, or improvements, supply the necessary or agreed services or exhibit the dwelling unit to prospective or actual purchasers, mortgages, tenants, workmen or contractors.
Thats not what A says. Still have to have a reason, it isn't just to inspect, but to inspect because of purchases, make necessary or agreed repairs, etc. His landlord clearly stated "just because" which isn't covered in section A. Still doesn't fit with what his landlord claimed.
No offense to you at all, but just because you have property and do it doesn't mean it is legal. No one has objected because they haven't needed to. If you were a corporation, I could understand the inspection. A landlord of a house, small scale, not a shot in hell I would allow you in if your reason was "just cuz."
Lucius Vorenus
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Here you go. I highlighted it for you.
- The tenant shall not unreasonably withhold consent to the landlord to enter into the dwelling unit in order to inspect the premises