The Worst President In U.S. History.
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Seamaiden
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Without condoning FDR's actions, I disagree. Jackson did a hell of a lot worse than just play it to "end game". Restriction of freedom, stripping of property and forcing such a move under the conditions imposed by Roosevelt versus Jackson, Jackson takes that cake. The Indians already present on the land ultimately suffered a far worse fate.
Also, let's not paint all Europeans with the same brush here. The Spanish presence in the western states ultimately did not quite have the same effects as the Gold Rush influx of primarily Anglo-Germanic and northern Europeans did specifically upon California's Indian tribes. The Spanish had cohabitated with them relatively peacefully, and practiced absorption, whereas the Americans who came into California once gold was discovered went on active genocidal campaigns that were largely successful resulting in something like a full 80% or more of all remaining California Indians were obliterated within a few decades (there was a significant population decline with the Spanish conquest of these lands west of the Mississippi, though my own reading suggests that this could have been as much a function of known diseases as new ones), and with the majority of tribes practically wiped out. I, personally, see this as an extension of Jackson's policies. Nothing quite the same can be said of FDR's policies.
Honky.
VTXDave
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The Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas might think differently about the Spanish conquest of the Americas baby. You won't get an argument form me that Jackson was a genocidal, racist fucknut...but my vote still goes to FDR with Jackson taking 2nd and Lincoln following up in 3rd place.Without condoning FDR's actions, I disagree. Jackson did a hell of a lot worse than just play it to "end game". Restriction of freedom, stripping of property and forcing such a move under the conditions imposed by Roosevelt versus Jackson, Jackson takes that cake. The Indians already present on the land ultimately suffered a far worse fate.
Also, let's not paint all Europeans with the same brush here. The Spanish presence in the western states ultimately did not quite have the same effects as the Gold Rush influx of primarily Anglo-Germanic and northern Europeans did specifically upon California's Indian tribes. The Spanish had cohabitated with them relatively peacefully, and practiced absorption, whereas the Americans who came into California once gold was discovered went on active genocidal campaigns that were largely successful resulting in something like a full 80% or more of all remaining California Indians were obliterated within a few decades (there was a significant population decline with the Spanish conquest of these lands west of the Mississippi, though my own reading suggests that this could have been as much a function of known diseases as new ones), and with the majority of tribes practically wiped out. I, personally, see this as an extension of Jackson's policies. Nothing quite the same can be said of FDR's policies.
Honky.
VTXDave
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Yeah and just remember that you're totally diggin' this badass, mutherfuckin' "badboy" honky ass darlin...Honky.
VTXDave
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Seamaiden's my "Baby", my "Darlin"..."The Love of my Life"...She's my wife. It's a Term of Endearment.
VTXDave
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That she's my wife? Yes...In fact she dogged my ass for years to marry her until I said one day "Let's go the Vegas and get married baby!"...And we did!...
VTXDave
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Yeppers...In fact today is the 5th anniversary of when we first laid eyes on each other at the LA Airport as I was catching a flight to Indonesia. We saw each other for a total of 45 minutes....30 of which were taken in "consummating" the meeting. 
The 27th of this month is our actual wedding anniversary.
VTXDave
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It was a 45 minute layover at LAX (she lived in LA and I flew in from SAC)and we spent that time in her minivan. <grin>
Ummm....This thread has certainly taken an interesting turn, has it not?...
VTXDave
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Considering she's 15ft from me as I type this...yes.
VTXDave
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No it doesn't... we fucked liked rabbits in heat that first time. I did carry a pair of worn panties to Indonesia with me though.
<grin>
VTXDave
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<grin> Thanks buddy!
Seamaiden
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I think it's kinda romantic, myself.
It was, what.. not even two months we'd been talking when you simply "informed" me that you'd be making me a good husband and thought I should know. sheesh.
I didn't dog YOUR ass, YOU dogged MINE!That she's my wife? Yes...In fact she dogged my ass for years to marry her until I said one day "Let's go the Vegas and get married baby!"...And we did!...
It was, what.. not even two months we'd been talking when you simply "informed" me that you'd be making me a good husband and thought I should know. sheesh.Yes, you're confused (the whole thing is confusing). He was at the airport, I lived nearby and drove out to meet him (in the minivan). 'Twas *I* who sacked HIM (I came prepared with black plastic bags to cover the windows).