trayvan martin

Corso312

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i would not be surprised if zimm walks..this is florida where they let baby killers walk....the justice system blows in this country ..more money = good chance at beating a case...public defender= you are most likely fucked....with cnn and these court tv channels these douchenags like zimmerman get a high priced attorney who runs circles around a weaker opponent district attorney.
 

afrawfraw

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"Freedom and justice for the wealthy. The rest of us get shafted and we think that this is healthy." - Greydon Square
 

PrivateEye6

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Best thing thing you can do for the kid is let him rest and stop speaking about this, thats what they want they need this black white tension.
 

UncleBuck

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And that money has done very little to nothing for him yet. He'll need it though. Ever paid a lawyer?
no, i've never paid a lawyer. the fact that i don't chase around unarmed kids while carrying a gun probably has a little bit to do with that.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Perhaps amend SYG to only allow use of lethal force on an armed or equally armed opponent?
So while you're getting slammed in the ass by some guy twice your size or larger, you can only say, "please sir, can I have some more?" Yeah, like that's happening, he'd be getting my CCW cock in the mouth while I blow my load.
 

Carne Seca

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So while you're getting slammed in the ass by some guy twice your size or larger, you can only say, "please sir, can I have some more?" Yeah, like that's happening, he'd be getting my CCW cock in the mouth while I blow my load.
Why does every topic end up with you giving graphic descriptions of anal rape or oral sex? Your obsession borders on the pathological.
 

UncleBuck

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george zimmerman was disgusted by letting these assholes always get away. his dream was to track down and hold criminals like those assholes who were always getting away.

well, he did. we hear in the last half minute of the struggle the screams of someone calling for help. the screams for help are abruptly ended by the gunshot. we already have reason to believe that those screams were not zimmerman's screams. the prosecution also has evidence from the FBI about whose screams those were and with what certainty.

so imagine that you just got followed, a fight ensued (who knows who started it or how, it could have even been unintentionally started somehow), and zimmerman takes a hit or two.

but for the last half minute of the fight, all you hear is someone other than george zimmerman making desperate screams for help. gut wrenching screams for help. the worst sounding scream of all is cut off by the gunshot. i'm thinking that the timeline suggests zimmerman had martin at gunpoint after the fight. maybe martin, fearing for his life, tries to get the gun away from him. maybe zimmerman could even walk if that's the case, but probably not based on the audio.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Why does every topic end up with you giving graphic descriptions of anal rape or oral sex? Your obsession borders on the pathological.
If only that would end some of these topics, I'd do it a lot more. You're free to join in the fun, but only of your own free will. If you agree, we can come up with the code word.
 

Canna Sylvan

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george zimmerman was disgusted by letting these assholes always get away. his dream was to track down and hold criminals like those assholes who were always getting away.

well, he did. we hear in the last half minute of the struggle the screams of someone calling for help. the screams for help are abruptly ended by the gunshot. we already have reason to believe that those screams were not zimmerman's screams. the prosecution also has evidence from the FBI about whose screams those were and with what certainty.

so imagine that you just got followed, a fight ensued (who knows who started it or how, it could have even been unintentionally started somehow), and zimmerman takes a hit or two.

but for the last half minute of the fight, all you hear is someone other than george zimmerman making desperate screams for help. gut wrenching screams for help. the worst sounding scream of all is cut off by the gunshot. i'm thinking that the timeline suggests zimmerman had martin at gunpoint after the fight. maybe martin, fearing for his life, tries to get the gun away from him. maybe zimmerman could even walk if that's the case, but probably not based on the audio.
Stop already! You're turning me on.
 

Harrekin

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george zimmerman was disgusted by letting these assholes always get away. his dream was to track down and hold criminals like those assholes who were always getting away.

well, he did. we hear in the last half minute of the struggle the screams of someone calling for help. the screams for help are abruptly ended by the gunshot. we already have reason to believe that those screams were not zimmerman's screams. the prosecution also has evidence from the FBI about whose screams those were and with what certainty.

so imagine that you just got followed, a fight ensued (who knows who started it or how, it could have even been unintentionally started somehow), and zimmerman takes a hit or two.

but for the last half minute of the fight, all you hear is someone other than george zimmerman making desperate screams for help. gut wrenching screams for help. the worst sounding scream of all is cut off by the gunshot. i'm thinking that the timeline suggests zimmerman had martin at gunpoint after the fight. maybe martin, fearing for his life, tries to get the gun away from him. maybe zimmerman could even walk if that's the case, but probably not based on the audio.
And Zimmerman couldn't have been calling for help as an alternative to shooting Martin, which was no longer required when Martin got a hollow point in the chest?

Would this not fit into the cops account that in the police car initially Zimmerman was saying "I called for help, but noone came"?

I know that Democratic heart of yours needs to side with the "minority" against the "racists" but seriously Buck, you're just carrying on like an ignorant Trayvon fan-boi or something.
 

MuyLocoNC

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george zimmerman was disgusted by letting these assholes always get away. his dream was to track down and hold criminals like those assholes who were always getting away.

well, he did. we hear in the last half minute of the struggle the screams of someone calling for help. the screams for help are abruptly ended by the gunshot. we already have reason to believe that those screams were not zimmerman's screams. the prosecution also has evidence from the FBI about whose screams those were and with what certainty.

so imagine that you just got followed, a fight ensued (who knows who started it or how, it could have even been unintentionally started somehow), and zimmerman takes a hit or two.

but for the last half minute of the fight, all you hear is someone other than george zimmerman making desperate screams for help. gut wrenching screams for help. the worst sounding scream of all is cut off by the gunshot. i'm thinking that the timeline suggests zimmerman had martin at gunpoint after the fight. maybe martin, fearing for his life, tries to get the gun away from him. maybe zimmerman could even walk if that's the case, but probably not based on the audio.
I think this is entirely plausible, based on what we know. But for it to hold up as a prosecution, the audio analysis will have to be absolutely conclusive to convict. Not an easy feat when you're starting with screams in the background of a cell phone call. All I've seen so far is that the analysis that has been done, is inconclusive. Trayvon's mother's opinion counts for nothing.

With Zimmerman enjoying the presumption of innocence, it's gonna be very difficult to use the screams against him. They have to start from believing his story that it was him screaming and find incontrovertible proof it wasn't.

I guess no one liked my scumbag reduction program idea?
 

doc111

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I think this is entirely plausible, based on what we know. But for it to hold up as a prosecution, the audio analysis will have to be absolutely conclusive to convict. Not an easy feat when you're starting with screams in the background of a cell phone call. All I've seen so far is that the analysis that has been done, is inconclusive. Trayvon's mother's opinion counts for nothing.

With Zimmerman enjoying the presumption of innocence, it's gonna be very difficult to use the screams against him. They have to start from believing his story that it was him screaming and find incontrovertible proof it wasn't.

I guess no one liked my scumbag reduction program idea?
Personally, I thought it was a great program! lol!

I don't think the screams are going to be all that important. Let's say for a second the screams ARE Trayvon. What do the screams tell us? Do they tell us who the agressor is? Do they tell us who is on top, or who is doing what? If not, then they will probably not have much effect on the outcome of the trial.
 
And Zimmerman couldn't have been calling for help as an alternative to shooting Martin, which was no longer required when Martin got a hollow point in the chest?

Would this not fit into the cops account that in the police car initially Zimmerman was saying "I called for help, but noone came"?

I know that Democratic heart of yours needs to side with the "minority" against the "racists" but seriously Buck, you're just carrying on like an ignorant Trayvon fan-boi or something.
Really Zimmerman would be calling for help with a gun drawn? Calling for help so he doesn't shoot the black boy?lmao come better than that man.
 

doc111

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Really Zimmerman would be calling for help with a gun drawn? Calling for help so he doesn't shoot the black boy?lmao come better than that man.
I am not saying who did what.......I was not there and cannot make that determination. The jury will likely hear about the screams over the phone. The problem is that the prosecution is going to have to analyze and then argue what they THINK was going on. Without eyewitnesses or video evidence, we can only speculate. Without being certain of who was even doing the screaming and EXACTLY what was going on, it's going to be tough to PROVE exactly who was doing what. If the prosecution can't somehow PROVE who was doing what the defense will be able to raise all kinds of reasonable doubt. This is going to be a problem for the prosecution.
 

afrawfraw

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Now Zimmerman is wealthy? LOL PUUUHHHLEEAAASE, he doesn't have two red cents to rub together.
Who said George Zimmerman was rich? Could you please quote my post where I said this. The topic had switched to legal representation, which is directly related to verdicts. The more money you have, the less time you do. That's a fact in America, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
 

Carne Seca

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This is George Zimmerman’s MySpace page. Years before he stood at the center of an international storm over the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, the Florida man used his page to complain about “mexicans” and celebrate a victory in a criminal case against him.
Today, it remains a small window into the life of a man who has gone into hiding while he awaits trial on a second-degree murder charge. Showing him with a history of relationships with people of multiple races, it also complicates the image critics have painted of him being a racist.


The page was unearthed Wednesday by the Miami Herald, which confirmed its authenticity with Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara.


On it, Zimmerman went by the alias Joe G. and username onlytobekingagain. The newspaper noted that this account is different than another one that was disabled last month, which had the username datniggytb.
In a long, rambling “About Me” section of the site, Zimmerman, who would have been in his early 20s when the site was active, wrote that he missed his friends in Manassas, Va., where he grew up and went to high school. But there were things he said he didn’t miss.


“I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book,” Zimmerman wrote. “Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!”


In a letter to the Orlando Sentinel in March, his father, Robert Zimmerman, described George as Hispanic. He also defended his son against accusations of racism, which have been made because the unarmed teen was black. “The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth.”



On the MySpace page, Zimmerman identified himself as ethnically “Latino/Hispanic.” He also posted photos of himself hanging out with friends of other races, including some who are black.
Zimmerman also used the account to celebrate some legal victories, including one against his ex-fiancee, who he referred to as his as his “ex hoe,” and another in which he was accused of assaulting a law enforcement officer.


“Im still free!” he wrote on Aug. 24, 2005. “The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me!”


Six days later he posted about another victory.


“2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!! The man knows he was wrong but still got this hump, Thanks to everyone friends and fam, G baby you know your my rock!”

Zimmerman’s internet presence has been an issue in his murder case recently. His attorney revealed last week that his client had managed to raise more than $200,000 for his own defense using a crudely built website and a PayPal account.
What a stand-up guy.
 
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