Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner
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Sr. Verde
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/\ OK. That is WICKED.
Awesome coloring! Looks delicious and super freakin pure! Good job on that my friend
Please tell me, for the sake of my own notes, what coloring did the trichomes have on your material (clear/amber/cloudy percentage guesses?) that you used for the oil? also, was the oil from flower or trim?
I'm curious to find out, in my own hashmaking, what the best trichome ratios are for good oil. Obviously we start looking to chop our plants with cloudy trichomes, but is it best to leave them going a little longer, or to take them a little earlier to get the ultra-light colored oils? In regards to BHO.
what do you guys think?
edit: posted it in HTML somehow, fixed the paragraphs.
Awesome coloring! Looks delicious and super freakin pure! Good job on that my friend
Please tell me, for the sake of my own notes, what coloring did the trichomes have on your material (clear/amber/cloudy percentage guesses?) that you used for the oil? also, was the oil from flower or trim?
I'm curious to find out, in my own hashmaking, what the best trichome ratios are for good oil. Obviously we start looking to chop our plants with cloudy trichomes, but is it best to leave them going a little longer, or to take them a little earlier to get the ultra-light colored oils? In regards to BHO.
what do you guys think?edit: posted it in HTML somehow, fixed the paragraphs.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
this is actually a mix, all flowers. some The Flav from my garden, just a little amber on the heads. and part from BlueberryxNL, not from my garden./\ OK. That is WICKED. Awesome coloring! Looks delicious and super freakin pure! Good job on that my friend
color has to do with the genetics Ive found, same goes for screen hash. keep harvesting at standard maturity for now, until proven otherwise.
idk really, fire in means fire out if you don't mess it up
greenpharmer
Active Member
so those above pics look awesome. so ive made a few run these pics are from today. Started with a 1/2 of rassberry kush got 2g of oil out. really nice and solid like rock candy. and that pic of the vaccum purge is with a food saver vac, its all i got, but it does work just need to have warm oil and a bit of time. 
Sr. Verde
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Looks great for a mighty vac extraction, though it looks to me like you could purge it even more... I see sort of a shiny/film like glare to the oil, and I usually only see that with the minor presence of butane.. Usually fully purged oil (to me at least) looks very soft in it's reflection of light, like the oil is dry instead of shiny/wet.
I'd recommend instead of purging your oil in this container https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/concentrates-extracts/2168887d1337115670-sr-verdes-concentrate-corner-img_20120515_122234.jpg that you get some parchment paper, and make a small parchment paper bowl (use your container to shape it).. Then when your oil puffs out into a muffin upon purging, it can collapse into a thin layer of oil.....I find the more thin the oil is spread, while purging, the better the vacuum purge you get. If it's all in one tiny container, there is a LOT of oil for the butane to move through to the top, in order to escape. So you do not get a good purge, or at least a very consistent purge..
Also, a little tip for the mighty vac/food saver purges.. Get a bowl of hot tap water, that your food saver fits into - and when your purging the oil with the hand pump, place the food saver in the hot tap water.. This usually keeps the oil nice and warm (doesn't let it cool down to room temp) while your purging, so you also get a better purge. Combine the hot water with spreading your oil thin and I guarantee your oil will look and taste better.
Happy purging my friend, I hope those tips can help you out - &please don't take my advice the wrong way!
I'd recommend instead of purging your oil in this container https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/concentrates-extracts/2168887d1337115670-sr-verdes-concentrate-corner-img_20120515_122234.jpg that you get some parchment paper, and make a small parchment paper bowl (use your container to shape it).. Then when your oil puffs out into a muffin upon purging, it can collapse into a thin layer of oil.....I find the more thin the oil is spread, while purging, the better the vacuum purge you get. If it's all in one tiny container, there is a LOT of oil for the butane to move through to the top, in order to escape. So you do not get a good purge, or at least a very consistent purge..
Also, a little tip for the mighty vac/food saver purges.. Get a bowl of hot tap water, that your food saver fits into - and when your purging the oil with the hand pump, place the food saver in the hot tap water.. This usually keeps the oil nice and warm (doesn't let it cool down to room temp) while your purging, so you also get a better purge. Combine the hot water with spreading your oil thin and I guarantee your oil will look and taste better
.Happy purging my friend, I hope those tips can help you out - &please don't take my advice the wrong way!
greenpharmer
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yeah i didnt have any parchment paper left and i didnt know till after i ran my oil. and i do a few purges with the food saver with a nice hot water bath. dont get me wrong there might be the slightest amount of tane but i have no sputter or flame jump. im slowly saving up for a decent vac tho, one day.
Sr. Verde
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I feel you my man, I'm not hating your product just trying to help you improve . Every batch you run, you will figure out how to make it a little better.. You will see 
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Personally, when I was using a mighty vac, I found the oil to be purged well enough after 4-6 purges. It was a bitch, but I was trying to be a perfectionist and usually went 1 purge more than I thought I needed. (habit like checking locks twice)
Bookmark this for when you save up, I use it and really like it. It's actually a good price for the quality, and you should be able to pick one up at a local harbor frieght. They are everywhere . http://www.harborfreight.com/two-stage-3-cfm-air-vacuum-pump-66466.html
. Every batch you run, you will figure out how to make it a little better.. You will see .Personally, when I was using a mighty vac, I found the oil to be purged well enough after 4-6 purges. It was a bitch, but I was trying to be a perfectionist and usually went 1 purge more than I thought I needed. (habit like checking locks twice)
Bookmark this for when you save up, I use it and really like it
. It's actually a good price for the quality, and you should be able to pick one up at a local harbor frieght. They are everywhere . http://www.harborfreight.com/two-stage-3-cfm-air-vacuum-pump-66466.html
WaxTaster
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I can second this, I also use the same pump, works the charm and for the price it's unbeatable. Literally the same quality as a robinair you'll spend $250 or $300 on.I feel you my man, I'm not hating your product just trying to help you improve
Personally, when I was using a mighty vac, I found the oil to be purged well enough after 4-6 purges. It was a bitch, but I was trying to be a perfectionist and usually went 1 purge more than I thought I needed. (habit like checking locks twice)
Bookmark this for when you save up, I use it and really like it
greenpharmer
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awesome, ive bought a few tools from harbor freight all good stuff. and sr verde i know ur not hating i like critisism, u cant learn from mistakes if u dont know what u did wrong. and im the same way with the foodsaver 5 times thru for about 5 min a time, more if theres still bubbles.
WaxTaster
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heh, I must be super OCD then cause even when using heat I tend to vac it 10-12 times at 10-15 minutes each haha, till it stops bubbling (just don't pull it out and whip air into it, it'll bubble forever if you keep doing it lol...
how does a 2 stage 3cfm pump work compared to a 1 stage 6cfm pump (which i use)
WaxTaster
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I think we talked about this a few pages back, but 2 stages pulls a deeper vacuum, more quickly, cfm don't mean much unless you have a bigger chamber...
Sr. Verde
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Are you using some type of heat source inside the vacuum chamber? Once I started using a warmed ceramic bowl to hold my parchment/oil in... it took 30% of the time out of my purging, as it just came out faster..!
ENDLSCYCLE
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A single stage pump would be like jogging with one nostril plugged....lol
Wolverine97
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So have you burnt your house down yet?
i have checked it with a gauge before it gets to 29 is that enough
WaxTaster
Member
I have actually been using heat less and less, but of course the purge takes longer, but works out quite well in the hot NorCal sun... Some oils seem to take a month or more to purge this way so it's not for the impatient, but I love the results, usually very clean and flavorful.
I believe at sea level 26Hg should be adequate to purge, 29-30Hg is about the best you can do.
excellent then i will assume my one stage pump and OCD vacuuming is adequate
Sr. Verde
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Yeah I dig, my only problem is when the oil gets cold. I'm usually spraying at night, just with how my schedule goes - and the oil will be cold and malleable at the end of a vacuum purge if I don't use anything to warm.. I'm with you on the use less heat. However I'm only talking about putting a ceramic bowl in the oven 30 seconds before your oil to keep things from getting cold, instead of using it to warm things up
.30hg is the absolute best anybody can do, but I doubt anyone here has a chamber that can go to 30hg. That's an absolute vacuum, and usually only exists in space, or at some high tech government funded facility like NASA.
But yeah I agree anything more than 25 is great, & closer to 29 is even better!
WaxTaster
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haha, that's one thing I avoided mentioning, and has to do with the long purge time, if you aren't in a temp controlled environment, which ideally you should be in but most people aren't in, it practically stops the purge entirely until the the day warms it up a bit. When you say putting a bowl in the oven do you mean having the oil in the bowl and putting it in there, or having the oil on parchment and putting the parchment into the warmed bowl inside the vac? That seems perfectly viable, as would having a lab hotplate with a very fine deadband inside the chamber. Another option, but only on a production scale, would be a desiccator oven, which I think you'd be hard pressed to find for less than $1,200; not an option for most here. My guess would be that ideal temps for purging under vacuum with minimal terpene loss would be somewhere around 60-70, but not higher than 80 (Fahrenheit, I'm still not sophisticated enough for the metric system of temperature messurement)Yeah I dig, my only problem is when the oil gets cold. I'm usually spraying at night, just with how my schedule goes - and the oil will be cold and malleable at the end of a vacuum purge if I don't use anything to warm.. I'm with you on the use less heat. However I'm only talking about putting a ceramic bowl in the oven 30 seconds before your oil to keep things from getting cold, instead of using it to warm things up
30hg is the absolute best anybody can do, but I doubt anyone here has a chamber that can go to 30hg. That's an absolute vacuum, and usually only exists in space, or at some high tech government funded facility like NASA.
But yeah I agree anything more than 25 is great, & closer to 29 is even better!
Lol, and too bad I don't think you oil would purge in space either, too cold so we're faced with the same problem but to an extreme >.< Interesting thought to entertain nonetheless...