New French Leader

[ginjawarrior]

I'd like to see that 80 mpg VW get you to work on time through a foot of snow and freezing rain up and down hills.

And those lorries sure are cute lol. Are they Japanese? Looks like a cross between a uhaul and bread truck. My boss' Kenworth would blow one off the road

in the snow compared to his sedan he's talking about? yeah about the same...

what trucks are you talking about got a link?

 

[Total Head]

how big is your sedan if you consider the VW pictured by nodrama to be a toy car?

LOL @ america only place with snow
LOL @ lorries are "cute" you think america only is place with size difference on the roads? ever been in a mini next to a 40ton "lorry"?
LOL @ its unreasonable for americans to think about smaller cars
LOL @ america being only place where people need to travel
LMFAO @ america being the place for driving freedom
ROTFLMAO @ all those excuses combined with the widespread belief that its the government stopping people driving efficiently

you clearly do not understand america, so this argument is futile. this is the home of route 66. road trips are in our blood. driving = freedom, and anyone who argues otherwise either does not understand the culture or is simply playing devil's advocate for fun. the government has given us lower gas taxes to encourage driving while simultaneously refusing to build up the public transport system, thus leaving us with no other option but to drive EVERYWHERE. other countries raise gas taxes in an effort to get citizens to actually USE the public transport system that they actually built, you know, for USE. part of this has to do with the fact that it's not very difficult to coat a tiny country with an amazing rail system, and part has to do with the fact that most of the public transport in europe has been being developed for decades. it's just not a realistic expectation here, especially since we've put almost zero effort into such a project for the past 60+ years. you don't just shit out a public transport system because you suddenly realize you need one, and over 80% of the country is rural. so, driving is not optional here unless you live in the middle of a major city, and even then, good luck with most of the public transport.

if you want to LOL, you can lol at comparing to "travelling" around a country that's 37 times smaller than the US to actually travelling in the us (using the uk as an example) particularly when you are talking about a country with good public transport, but i feel like i'm beating a dead horse on that one.

these silly european comparisons to the us when it comes to driving is what makes me lol.

as far as why we don't drive rinky dink cars, i already addressed that in my post that made you lol so hard. in 2005, the top 10 most "fuel efficient cars" in the us had cars on the list that got less than 30 mpg, and this is the TOP EFFIN' TEN. fuel efficient cars are relatively new here, and unless you know of some way that a bunch of cash strapped people can just run out and buy new cars because it suits them this week, i hope you understand how silly it is to expect everyone here to be cruising around in hybrids and whatnot. give me a break. my car is from 1998 and i'm lucky it still runs because when it breaks down, i'm fucked. according to you i should have a magic wand to just "get a new car". you're serious?

fact: companies historically have not offered fuel efficient cars in the us because they simply don't sell, again, for cultural reasons i've already explained in detail. it's a new development. once again, you don't go from a buick to a vw overnight. if you don't understand what i mean by this then this argument is even more futile than i originally thought.

 

[ginjawarrior]

you clearly do not understand america, so this argument is futile. this is the home of route 66. road trips are in our blood. driving = freedom, and anyone who argues otherwise either does not understand the culture or is simply playing devil's advocate for fun. the government has given us lower gas taxes to encourage driving while simultaneously refusing to build up the public transport system, thus leaving us with no other option but to drive EVERYWHERE. other countries raise gas taxes in an effort to get citizens to actually USE the public transport system that they actually built, you know, for USE. part of this has to do with the fact that it's not very difficult to coat a tiny country with an amazing rail system, and part has to do with the fact that most of the public transport in europe has been being developed for decades. it's just not a realistic expectation here, especially since we've put almost zero effort into such a project for the past 60+ years. you don't just shit out a public transport system because you suddenly realize you need one, and over 80% of the country is rural. so, driving is not optional here unless you live in the middle of a major city, and even then, good luck with most of the public transport.

if you want to LOL, you can lol at comparing to "travelling" around a country that's 37 times smaller than the US to actually travelling in the us (using the uk as an example) particularly when you are talking about a country with good public transport, but i feel like i'm beating a dead horse on that one.

i think it is you that has got the rest of the world mixed up. you think we all use public transport and never drive anywhere? that it is purely an american rite of passage getting your first car and driving across the country? that because america is big you need big cars to go with it? that its only you guys who really love to drive?

these silly european comparisons to the us when it comes to driving is what makes me lol.

this egocentricism i see coming from the us makes me LOL

as far as why we don't drive rinky dink cars, i already addressed that in my post that made you lol so hard. in 2005, the top 10 most "fuel efficient cars" in the us had cars on the list that got less than 30 mpg, and this is the TOP EFFIN' TEN. fuel efficient cars are relatively new here, and unless you know of some way that a bunch of cash strapped people can just run out and buy new cars because it suits them this week, i hope you understand how silly it is to expect everyone here to be cruising around in hybrids and whatnot. give me a break. my car is from 1998 and i'm lucky it still runs because when it breaks down, i'm fucked. according to you i should have a magic wand to just "get a new car". you're serious?

i never said anyone should buy new cars i was amused myself at their lamenting about their foolish decisions with their previous purchases. its americans that have scorned fuel efficiency in the past and even now with your "cute" and "rinky dink" you just carrying on the tradition

go cry me a river...

fact: companies historically have not offered fuel efficient cars in the us because they simply don't sell, again, for cultural reasons i've already explained in detail. it's a new development. once again, you don't go from a buick to a vw overnight. if you don't understand what i mean by this then this argument is even more futile than i originally thought.

its not cultural reasons its EGO that stops em selling

 

[kelly4]

how big is your sedan if you consider the VW pictured by nodrama to be a toy car?

LOL @ america only place with snow
LOL @ lorries are "cute" you think america only is place with size difference on the roads? ever been in a mini next to a 40ton "lorry"?
LOL @ its unreasonable for americans to think about smaller cars
LOL @ america being only place where people need to travel
LMFAO @ america being the place for driving freedom
ROTFLMAO @ all those excuses combined with the widespread belief that its the government stopping people driving efficiently

I don't want to drive something more efficient. I like my big truck. Besides, how else am I going to pull trailers on frozen lakes covered in 2 feet of snow?

You seem to forget that most of us choosing to buy big trucks know how much gas costs. We know the fuel economy. We don't care!

 

[kelly4]

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What size boat can it pull?

 

[UncleBuck]

so, has socialism crippled france yet, like austerity has crippled greece and ireland and italy and portugal?

 

[kelly4]

so, has socialism crippled france yet, like austerity has crippled greece and ireland and italy and portugal?

Has OBAMA brought hope and change?

 

[UncleBuck]

Has OBAMA brought hope and change?

lol @ hope.

i "hope" politicians do all sorts of things, i expect next to nothing of their rhetoric.

having to deal with reality is nother thing entirely.

change? we've had some of it. enough to say i'm not entirely displeased.

lily ledbetter? good change.

tax breaks for those who work? good change.

government no longer holds the risk for student loans that banks profited from risk free? good change.

competition among schools for higher funds, rather than more rigorous standardized testing? good change.

a more lenient policy on medical cannabis than any other president? good change.

digitalize the medical records? good change.

pre-existing conditions gone, lifetime caps gone, more options for health care? good change.

infrastructure improvements that we ignored because we were too busy invading iraq? good change.

gays no longer banned from openly serving? good change.

bin laden killed and his effects gathered from a daring raid that allowed us to collect intelligence? good change.

a higher focus on illegal immigration with priority to the violent illegal immigrants? good change.

i could make a much longer list of changes that fell short of what i would call a good change, or where they never changed at all. an individual mandate is pointless without further market controls on the price of health care. a public option, at the very least, would be satisfactory for now. i know america is not ready for a rapid change to better medicine.

obama's inaction on illegal immigration was a big disappointment to me, personally. his reluctance to announce what we all knew was his true stance on same sex marriage is somewhat of a disappointment too. bittersweet.

some lefties may complain that he has done absolutely NOTHING on gun control. i am not one of them. i feel our current gun laws are sufficient. we don't need anything much more or less than what we currently have.

so, what change has rustled your jimmies, kellygirl?

 

[Harrekin]

so, has socialism crippled france yet, like austerity has crippled greece and ireland and italy and portugal?

Europe is fucked unless it cuts the socialism out, austerity is NECESSARY and I believe leads to growth, more taxpayers with more money to spend instead of cheddar munchers getting it.

Socialism slows growth by putting an unfair burden on the people who make it possible in the first place.

If we cut welfare by half, our cost of living would drop to nearly below what it is in the US.

 

[kelly4]

lol @ hope.

i "hope" politicians do all sorts of things, i expect next to nothing of their rhetoric.

having to deal with reality is nother thing entirely.

change? we've had some of it. enough to say i'm not entirely displeased.

lily ledbetter? good change.

tax breaks for those who work? good change.

government no longer holds the risk for student loans that banks profited from risk free? good change.

competition among schools for higher funds, rather than more rigorous standardized testing? good change.

a more lenient policy on medical cannabis than any other president? good change.

digitalize the medical records? good change.

pre-existing conditions gone, lifetime caps gone, more options for health care? good change.

infrastructure improvements that we ignored because we were too busy invading iraq? good change.

gays no longer banned from openly serving? good change.

bin laden killed and his effects gathered from a daring raid that allowed us to collect intelligence? good change.

a higher focus on illegal immigration with priority to the violent illegal immigrants? good change.

i could make a much longer list of changes that fell short of what i would call a good change, or where they never changed at all. an individual mandate is pointless without further market controls on the price of health care. a public option, at the very least, would be satisfactory for now. i know america is not ready for a rapid change to better medicine.

obama's inaction on illegal immigration was a big disappointment to me, personally. his reluctance to announce what we all knew was his true stance on same sex marriage is somewhat of a disappointment too. bittersweet.

some lefties may complain that he has done absolutely NOTHING on gun control. i am not one of them. i feel our current gun laws are sufficient. we don't need anything much more or less than what we currently have.

so, what change has rustled your jimmies, kellygirl?

Do you mean digitize?

Obama killed Bin Laden? SWEET! Lets see the proof.

 

[UncleBuck]

Do you mean digitize?

Obama killed Bin Laden? SWEET! Lets see the proof.

digitize, digitalize, either is fine.

and obama did not kill bin laden, but he ordered the execution of the raid in a way that we could recover the intelligence. romney has stated he would not have gone into pakistan like that to get OBL. romney would have sent a missile to blow the fucker up. none of the intelligence would have survived.

we now know that osama bin laden was a laughable little douche. we have as many embarrassing details about OBL as we have of hitler now.

thread godwin'd.

 

[Total Head]

i think it is you that has got the rest of the world mixed up. you think we all use public transport and never drive anywhere? that it is purely an american rite of passage getting your first car and driving across the country? that because america is big you need big cars to go with it? that its only you guys who really love to drive?

this egocentricism i see coming from the us makes me LOL

i never said anyone should buy new cars i was amused myself at their lamenting about their foolish decisions with their previous purchases. its americans that have scorned fuel efficiency in the past and even now with your "cute" and "rinky dink" you just carrying on the tradition

go cry me a river...


its not cultural reasons its EGO that stops em selling

i also think it's "cute" that you gloss over the connection between lower gas taxes due lack of public transport infastructure shaping the way americans view driving over several generations, and as such fuel economy cars have not been available in our marketplace until very recently, and as such they are viewed with skepticism. your denial of the culture of driving in america is where this argument stops. clearly you are arguing based on opinion and not fact, so here is some reading for you:

http://www.aaafoundation.org/pdf/MoeckliLee.pdf
Republic of Drivers: A Cultural History of Automobility in America by Cotten Seiler (paperback or e-book)

if you have actual facts to back up your silly position instead of hot air i would be delighted to continue this nonsense. but for now, i will leave you with some words a kindly old holy guy once uttered: "go from the presense of the foolish man when thou percievest not in him the lips of knowledge."

 

[Corso312]

those 3.8 buicks engines are great...i had a 98 lesabre for years...bought it with 85k for 600$ and drove it for 5 years and scrapped it at the yard for 385$ with 188k miles...strong engines...i love buicks, especially the new lucernes ...the government is greedy and corrupt...no cars should be getting this putrid mpg like they do now...california tried to pass a law to force any vehicle in the state to be at a specific mpg by a certain date...not sure the numbers i forgot ...but the fed stepped in as usual and pissed on the states right..cali new law was more stringent than the fed regulations.....they are dragging their feet to delay the inevitable as long as possible....v.w. is a great car also....now my neighbor last winter needed to me to push his 5 series bmw in his driveway....the sharpest car on the street now is the new jag in the light blue color.

 

[UncleBuck]

...austerity is NECESSARY and I believe leads to growth...

your beliefs do not mesh with the evidence coming out of europe now or empirical evidence for that matter.

...putting an unfair burden on the people who make it possible in the first place.

growth in the united states is driven by aggregate demand. it is 2/3 of our economy.

austerity is an effective tax rate increase on the middle class and working poor. austerity takes money out of their pockets.

when this huge segment of the economy is squeezed, they spend less. aggregate demand goes down.

aggregate demand accounts for 2/3 of our economy. when aggregate demand drops, so does our economy.

those on top do not create growth, consumers with money to spend create growth. they benefit from it, and so do those one top.

you are reciting a fox news talking point unknowingly. it is called a different name from wherever you hear it from.

 

[ginjawarrior]

i also think it's "cute" that you gloss over the connection between lower gas taxes due lack of public transport infastructure shaping the way americans view driving over several generations, and as such fuel economy cars have not been available in our marketplace until very recently, and as such they are viewed with skepticism. your denial of the culture of driving in america is where this argument stops. clearly you are arguing based on opinion and not fact, so here is some reading for you:

i think you'll find im denying that america is so different to the rest of the world that it deserves to be classed as a "special case".

lower fuel taxes would affect engine size but that does nothing to explain the scorn people here have shown. to me that boils down to the "bigger is better" attitude. i love how you think "public transport" is the reason for such comments like "cute" and "clown car"

http://www.aaafoundation.org/pdf/MoeckliLee.pdf
Republic of Drivers: A Cultural History of Automobility in America by Cotten Seiler (paperback or e-book)

have you actually read this? or did you just google and post first thing you saw? could you show me the relevant part that sets america aside from rest of the world?

or even just the part where it shows any evidence to support anything you have said?

if you have actual facts to back up your silly position instead of hot air i would be delighted to continue this nonsense.

is it not a fact that the majority of americans in this thread has shown scorn for efficient cars?

but for now, i will leave you with some words a kindly old holy guy once uttered: "go from the presense of the foolish man when thou percievest not in him the lips of knowledge."

ahh the ambiguous and ultimately meaningless "quote"

 

[ginjawarrior]

What size boat can it pull?

lol so every vehicle needs to pull a boat? every american has a boat? and 24 inches of snow on frozen lakes is everyday usage for the everyday american?

 

[kelly4]

lol so every vehicle needs to pull a boat? every american has a boat? and 24 inches of snow on frozen lakes is everyday usage for the everyday american?

I'm gonna go the same route you are, just the opposite direction. So everyone needs to drive a little shit box?
I'm gonna drive whatever truck I want to, no matter what all of Eorope thinks about me.

We had the VW Rabbit over 30 years ago. It got 50 mpg. NOBODY WANTS IT!

 

[ginjawarrior]

I'm gonna go the same route you are, just the opposite direction. So everyone needs to drive a little shit box?
I'm gonna drive whatever truck I want to, no matter what all of Eorope thinks about me.

We had the VW Rabbit over 30 years ago. It got 50 mpg. NOBODY WANTS IT!

would you care to show me where i said anyone should drive a "shit box"?

oh and its "Europe"

 

[kelly4]

The rest of the world has jeeps for pulling things too, the likes of a Ford F550 is good if that's your personal preference, but it's not necessary, and moaning about the price of gas when you've chosen to drive a big "Penile Compensator" like that is just a girl-like way to cry about the world.

A jeep isn't rated to pull the weight of most campers or boats. I wouldn't be able to pull my fishhouse with it either.

I've also never seen anybody driving an F550 for personal use. Those are very heavy duty WORK trucks, built for towing large weight. But if someone wanted to drive it for personal use, fine.

Also, my '98 Jeep Wrangler, brand new got 17 mpg per gallon. My F150 gets 16. I'll take the truck.

 

[kelly4]

would you care to show me where i said anyone should drive a "shit box"?

oh and its "Europe"

In post #33 you have a quote from me, then go on to say how we bitch about big engines being the governments fault. Show me where I said that.

I am ALL FOR big engines. I'm glad that you don't need one, I'm happy for ya'.