New French Leader

londonfog · May 28, 2012

kelly4 said:
A jeep isn't rated to pull the weight of most campers or boats. I wouldn't be able to pull my fishhouse with it either.

I've also never seen anybody driving an F550 for personal use. Those are very heavy duty WORK trucks, built for towing large weight. But if someone wanted to drive it for personal use, fine.

Also, my '98 Jeep Wrangler, brand new got 17 mpg per gallon. My F150 gets 16. I'll take the truck.

My F150 only gets about 13 but its a V8 and mostly just sits in the driveway unless I'm fishing or hauling

ginjawarrior · May 28, 2012

kelly4 said:
In post #33 you have a quote from me, then go on to say how we bitch about big engines being the governments fault. Show me where I said that.

I am ALL FOR big engines. I'm glad that you don't need one, I'm happy for ya'.

yeah i would go back and reread that if i was you...

perhaps you could quote me where i said it was you moaning about government

kelly4 · May 28, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
yeah i would go back and reread that if i was you...

perhaps you could quote me where i said it was you moaning about government

Obviously, YOU should reread.
You put up quotes from multiple people. You then say "you guys", lumping us all together. Do you see now?

When you say "you guys", are you talking about those quoted or all Americans?
Either way, I'm in both groups. LOL!!

kelly4 · May 28, 2012

londonfog said:
My F150 only gets about 13 but its a V8 and mostly just sits in the driveway unless I'm fishing or hauling

What year and engine size?

Mine gets 16 with the 5.4 L.

londonfog · May 28, 2012

2010 f150 short bed supercrew V8 5.4l

kelly4 · May 28, 2012

londonfog said:
2010 f150 short bed supercrew V8 5.4l

We have the same truck, only mine's a 2008.
Only 13? Wow.
Your rear end must be geared low? Oversized tires?

londonfog · May 28, 2012

kelly4 said:
We have the same truck, only mine's a 2008.
Only 13? Wow.
Your rear end must be geared low? Oversized tires?

tires are 265/70/18 ..was going wider but figured that would only make it worst..lol.. yup anything I buy now will have to be a v6 or less..lol

ginjawarrior · May 28, 2012

kelly4 said:
Obviously, YOU should reread.
You put up quotes from multiple people. You then say "you guys", lumping us all together. Do you see now?

When you say "you guys", are you talking about those quoted or all Americans?
Either way, I'm in both groups. LOL!!

i'll give you that it was a bit of a broad stroke, it wasnt my intention of lumping the government conspiracy in with all the people scorning small cars

Total Head · May 28, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
i think you'll find im denying that america is so different to the rest of the world that it deserves to be classed as a "special case".

lower fuel taxes would affect engine size but that does nothing to explain the scorn people here have shown. to me that boils down to the "bigger is better" attitude. i love how you think "public transport" is the reason for such comments like "cute" and "clown car"

have you actually read this? or did you just google and post first thing you saw? could you show me the relevant part that sets america aside from rest of the world?

or even just the part where it shows any evidence to support anything you have said?

is it not a fact that the majority of americans in this thread has shown scorn for efficient cars?

ahh the ambiguous and ultimately meaningless "quote"

my post was to point out the ignorance in you chalking this all up to mere "american arrogance". i call it a part of our cultural identity, which, for the third time, cannot be changed overnight. you call it arrogant. that, sir, is ignorant.

ginjawarrior · May 28, 2012

it was EGO not arrogance

beenthere · May 28, 2012

I don't understand why people in one country are so concerned with what types of cars people in other countries drive.
It's like me walking into my new neighbors house and telling him he doesn't need that 70" flat screen on his wall to watch TV, it's certainly not a good way to start a good friendship.
Just saying.

ginjawarrior · May 28, 2012

beenthere said:
I don't understand why people in one country are so concerned with what types of cars people in other countries drive.
It's like me walking into my new neighbors house and telling him he doesn't need that 70" flat screen on his wall to watch TV, it's certainly not a good way to start a good friendship.
Just saying.

yeah go back to beginning of thread where people were bitching about "government keeping efficient cars from them" and "having to have big arsed cars because thers other big arsed cars on the road" then you'l see where this came from

beenthere · May 28, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
yeah go back to beginning of thread where people were bitching about "government keeping efficient cars from them" and "having to have big arsed cars because thers other big arsed cars on the road" then you'l see where this came from

I did catch that part, but I also picked up on Europeans insinuating Americans drive big cars to compensate for their little dicks or big egos. To be honest bro, some Americans probably do, but the vast majority of us need these big tucks to pull our boats, trailers, campers, and to work out of. On the flip side, I also have a 2006 Honda Civic that I drive when I go into town that averages 34 mpg.
Many Europeans claim Americans are arrogant, perhaps that is true to some extent. But what I find ironic about that is, it's the urban Americans, the ones who so admire Europe that are in fact the arrogant ones, if you were to meet the Americans who live in the rural areas that drive most of those disgusting big 4x4 trucks, I guarantee you they are the ones you would become friends with.

PS. Trust me, Bucky is an urbanite! LOL

Harrekin · May 28, 2012

beenthere said:
I did catch that part, but I also picked up on Europeans insinuating Americans drive big cars to compensate for their little dicks or big egos. To be honest bro, some Americans probably do, but the vast majority of us need these big tucks to pull our boats, trailers, campers, and to work out of. On the flip side, I also have a 2006 Honda Civic that I drive when I go into town that averages 34 mpg.
Many Europeans claim Americans are arrogant, perhaps that is true to some extent. But what I find ironic about that is, it's the urban Americans, the ones who so admire Europe that are in fact the arrogant ones, if you were to meet the Americans who live in the rural areas that drive most of those disgusting big 4x4 trucks, I guarantee you they are the ones you would become friends with.

PS. Trust me, Bucky is an urbanite! LOL

And only Americans have boats, trailers and campers?

This whole thing came from Americans bitching about gas prices that are half what they are here but they won't buy smaller cars, which would relieve the whole gas price issue.

Its like bitching the tv is on the wrong channel, but not getting up to get the remote.

beenthere · May 28, 2012

Harrekin said:
And only Americans have boats, trailers and campers?

This whole thing came from Americans bitching about gas prices that are half what they are here but they won't buy smaller cars, which would relieve the whole gas price issue.

Its like bitching the tv is on the wrong channel, but not getting up to get the remote.

Well here is where I disagree with you on a few points. For example, take a bass boat I own, with the trailer it weighs about 1,770kgs
I'm not sure about your jeeps, but they don't make one here that will tow these boats, let alone stop one safely when you need to.

And if we Americans start buying and getting use to the smaller more economical cars and trucks like in Europe, our government will make sure to compensate by raising gas prices, just like those outrageous prices in Europe!
Personally, I'd rather have the choice to drive what ever I please, that's the very reason I love this country and also the reason that the United States has the highest immigration of any country on earth.

Harrekin · May 28, 2012

beenthere said:
Well here is where I disagree with you on a few points. For example, take a bass boat I own, with the trailer it weighs about 1,770kgs
I'm not sure about your jeeps, but they don't make one here that will tow these boats, let alone stop one safely when you need to.

And if we Americans start buying and getting use to the smaller more economical cars and trucks like in Europe, our government will make sure to compensate by raising gas prices, just like those outrageous prices in Europe!
Personally, I'd rather have the choice to drive what ever I please, that's the very reason I love this country and also the reason that the United States has the highest immigration of any country on earth.

Then don't bitch about gas prices and noone will question your decision to drive whatever you want

ginjawarrior · May 28, 2012

beenthere said:
Well here is where I disagree with you on a few points. For example, take a bass boat I own, with the trailer it weighs about 1,770kgs
I'm not sure about your jeeps, but they don't make one here that will tow these boats, let alone stop one safely when you need to.

And if we Americans start buying and getting use to the smaller more economical cars and trucks like in Europe, our government will make sure to compensate by raising gas prices, just like those outrageous prices in Europe!
Personally, I'd rather have the choice to drive what ever I please, that's the very reason I love this country and also the reason that the United States has the highest immigration of any country on earth.

1.7 ton isnt that much 2.0l salon cars are rated for that weight over here
http://www.uktow.com/towing capacity.asp?make=Ford&model1=Mondeo Saloon#tab1

admitted it is very close to the limit and you would want something bigger to make the drive more comfortable but not by that much

"United States has the highest immigration of any country on earth. " no you dont not by a long shot your 26th
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