The Seed Collectors Thread

BatMaN SKuNK

New Member
i saw an episode of Subs weekly broadcasted "weednerd" where Sub was showing off BCS from a neighboring oregon med grow. its a wild looking plant and allthough testers had success with it, obviously combining its genes with SQ makes a picky gal who doesn't like high feeds. im glad i didn't spend cash on my pack.. but mines still sealed. i wonder if dutch master reverse would do plush justice. i still havent seen a TGA nanner besides on the taller JCII pheno... ever.

plush never got me excited.. i never got plush fever. i dont usually care for purps. ill take my spaceprincess to the bank.. no nanners ever. even after dropping the plant on the floor and a few days later splitting the plant halfway down its stem during a freak tie down accident and duct taping it back together.. no nanners lol.

i might be getting some Rare Dankness fever pretty soon tho.
 

SketchyGrower

Well-Known Member
I just put in two plush clones from my last run that hermied... Gonna see if dropping feeding way down helps to solve the nanners...or yea, DM reverse! I always forget about that stuff.. But, dont you have to spray that shizz all over your buds? Not sure about that part, but worth a test to see.
 

gudkarma

New Member
no offense to all the companies making 100 strains overnight... and if you want i'll ask e$ko what he thinks & copy and paste the repsonse of a legit seedmaker here.

but guess what ...once he found out i was testing for gage ...& he even called a respectful "curious" to their line-up ...so many strains so fast is what he said.

impossible to test ...is what he says ...though i counter they have TONS of willing testers.

so then he did the blueberry project... with tons of testers. one strain tested by something like 150 people. ahem!

basically you fucking seed faking & making fuckers ===> we ALL think $100+ for 10 seeds is WAY too much !

even worse, these clowns have us crying for the next new thing & pushing shit (and i mean SHIT) through the pipeline.

& dont get it twisted i saw sketchy's RD nugz... and you'd have to be a HUGE weed fag not to want a calyx or two in your grinder. shit looks outstanding. his descriptors of taste make me want it.

& why not?

in the face of all this fakery, you can even factor in hard work like gage's grape stomper only to be ganked by blue sky and renamed sour grapes ...fuckface people stealing anothers hard work for profit & ZERO credit?

im a dispensary so let's buy some gage beans & try to make f2 & f3 & etc from the original cut.

that's fraud but this is the cannabiz where fraud is only a seedpack in the cart away.

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& i've used DM reverse on a strain i made called "spicey".

works for sure... but it was early into flower when nanners showed up.

subcool can make a package deal ::: get a 10 pack of plush + a bottle of reverse = $125

i love seeds. really i do. when they show up, falling from the sky into my fridge, i always get a boner.

RD , subcool, scarhole, e$ko, sweet seeds, hazeman, bodhi, jkahn, dutch passsion, etc ... i dont care.
gimmie. gimmie. gimmie.

but NOTHING in the world like a proven cut from a trustworthy friend !!!

like i say i cant stand sub... but as a grower of plants i already love my spacedawg & would make human plant sex with my blue dream.

...& as a smoker i'd beat your granny with a pipe for some plush green pheno.
 

blissfest

Well-Known Member
"subcool can make a package deal ::: get a 10 pack of plush + a bottle of reverse = $125"

LOL! Dont give him any ideas:)
 

gudkarma

New Member
^ that's right. simple math. just to make c99 beans from bros grimm stock took e$ko some 12 months of work growing, cloning, watching males flower and die, pollen collection, pheno hunting, harvesting, smoking, and data collection.

tedious. very. especially the smoking part i imagine ;-)

but he still catalogs every detail.

dude is THE original weed nerd. no offense to subby's fans. this is why e$ko can only make a release or two a year... comming soon : his elite cut of sweet pink grapefruit x bros grimm c99 getting ready to hit my postal recepticle & shelves soon after.

he makes TONS of seed & crosses galore... clones in a room dusted by whatever he likes & those seeds sent free to people like me, you, and whoever else he calls a friend ...but has always been somewhat sparse on what gets out to the public.

my next crack for him is something you guys dont know but was in the pipeline years ago & tested legendary : bluechem

http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/BlueChem/Marshall_Seeds/

^ an old e$ko seed company
 

SketchyGrower

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The way I see it it's like this, Just try and play along for a sec

Say all of us hardy seed hounds with all of our Proven Cuts, All the Vaults full of Beans. ...collaborated together and added up our arsenal of just different clone only strains we had. I'd say we would be damn close to having 20+?no? ..strains of "dis·tin·guished" proven Dank. Now.. add in our 1,000's upon 1,000's of seeds. to not find absolute game changing Male Genotypes in that amount of beans is silly to think...right? flower the males.. find and keep the "Extremely Notable ones" out of say 8,000 seeds (saying 8 people joined in.. I know I have close too or over 1,000 now) to say 2-4 males would be found is not saying to much..? right? (I'm just playing around with ideas) now you X your males to the 20 clones... (M#1x20C)+(M#2x20C)+(M#3x20C)+(M#4x20C)=80 strains to test now.

Starting to cut out the shit would be a task to say the least but, let's think here for a min... if doing it big I'm not doing it legal... so, what can one Warehouse handle(controllable that is)? 1,000? 2,000? 3,000? plants.. if you even tested 100 beans of each strain you still only be at 8,000 plants... that's what? 3 to 4 cycles... to test everything a first run.... a little under two years to test multiple runs on all 80 strains. So,lets say that 30+ 40+ strains were just Garbage completely useless X's that would still leave you with 40-50 X's some that were not too shabby or too great and probably 10-12 that were pretty darn good. Time total for this (perfect never got caught scenario) would be...?

growing out first 8,000 seeds at 2,000 at a time, seed-flower time we say... 4-5 months? A little under 3 years to run them all to find the males..

X's all males to your 20females... now I don't breed so, to me I would think you could pollinate your females by said male and then return them after a misting of water to the main flower room..(correct me if I'm wrong again as I'm no expert at all) if so you can handle them all in one run at a warehouse .. so seed harvests? 9 weeks? 10 weeks? normal harvest window? early harvest window? if you can't tell I have never created beans..

I'm just going to say non- issues on this particular part... as in the scheme of things creating the beans would be the shortest task of them all.. right?


now testing and all that jazz is kept up to you and your friends trusting that you understand DANK! I personally don't want my 8,000+ multiple Illegal run to have too many photo's to come bite one in the ass when I do become legal with my seed company. I could see being able to trust someone with out them providing me with photographic evidence. Now I trust a few of you guys here on your opinions and would buy a strain you recommended with out thinking most of the time because I know you guys don't run poop!
So, yea anyways back to warehouse.

3 years to run all 8,000 seeds looking for males
2 years testing

say around 5 years? add a couple years for mistakes and your still under a decade. Now, I know this is the not the way seeds makers probably do there thing. But, I don't think it has as much to do with how many X's a breeder has that is important as how much you trust that person's eye for keepers.


I think I may have forgot a few steps (I'm Baked,Grilling,Drinking,on the laptop in the back yard an being directed away from the internet...so, if anyone wants to play along please join in on this and fix what's broken or add in :)
 

gudkarma

New Member
& now that i sit here twisting a scoobie snack...

hot damn if guys/girls like me with large set-ups dont spend hours in the lab every fucking day.
& not always by choice ...but by responsibility.

and if you ask me, small set up like the average personal head stash grower + hermi = id be super pissed off big time.

sin semilla... thank you very much.
if i want seeds then i'll look for a male... or get some STS ;-)

from the cost of 1000s of watts , nutes, medium, pumps, ballasts blowing, bulbs buying, & on & on... hermi plants are the nemesis of us all.

personally i cant undestand why RD or any seed company catches all kinds of hate... but $100 packs of hermis might piss off a few people.

& in their defense, if they want to send gudkarma some "faceoff og" beans , i'll chuck something straight from my mom tent tonight.
 

boneheadbob

Well-Known Member
<--------- fortune smiled on this old man to be of the 150. Got thirty of those BB beans of three different strains, all labeled. Currently have two fems three weeks into flower

so then he did the blueberry project... with tons of testers. one strain tested by something like 150 people. ahem!

in the face of all this fakery, you can even factor in hard work like gage's grape stomper only to be ganked by blue sky and renamed sour grapes ...fuckface people stealing anothers hard work for profit & ZERO credit?

subcool can make a package deal ::: get a 10 pack of plush + a bottle of reverse = $125
LOL at a bottle of hermaway with ten PB beans

I just harvested a hazeman white grapes. Yield was OK but bag appeal and stone was fantastic. My friends who I shared it with are begging me to come back over. Messed up my carpenter friend, said he smokes every morning but got to work on WG and had to gather himself in the truck for ten minutes. Said it was like he was a teenager again
 

boneheadbob

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<-------Esko fanboy before I met GK but I agree with GK. Esko is not in it for the money. He loves what he does and has a spiritual connection with the herb and the earth. He will not even allow freebies to leave the door unless they have been tested.

And everything is dank. With my 12 plant limit I could grow nothing but Esko and experiance akmost everything cannabis to offer.
mmmmmm, mmmmmm, mmmmmmm Choco mix has some golden tickets at 29.00 a pack

Free Esko!!! give the man his own beansite
 

gudkarma

New Member
<--- admitted fanboy

though talking to him in private while copying his grow style is kinda annoying. he can be dickish in private.

like those RD seed makers, and NOT like douche to my tee bag swerve, e$ko knows how to grow plants.
trust this. he's one of the best awarded (regular type) gardener in certain euro countries and competes w/ every nation in europe.

i cant tell u the country name cause u'd be able to deduce his real name & then id have to find you (& according to this judge letter on my desk beat u w/ a pipe). but, he's a dirt farming legend like the dude on NPR.

odd thing is he likes to kick asses too.

shit, fat nugz ...you can find the pics yourself.

seeds to buy ...you can spend the $ easy.

but e$ko has taught me bunches. so fanboy not really.
i got a guest room ready somewhere in europe in a house with a FAT lab & home cooking ;-)

you bonehead are the chocolate rain KING. fuck fanboy. the king of chocolate rain.

me im just stoked to be finally banging out 1 to 1.5 dry zip a cutting from good mentorship.

his seeds be making FAT GEAR though. kind farmer sending me some RD "long peak blue" gonna crack and see myself just like u should.

just that im not paying a cent ;-) gud friends is good friends. & gear... is everywhere.

[youtube]CaVKs-O3kXA[/youtube]
 

boneheadbob

Well-Known Member
The Chocolate Rain king? hmmmm
I dont like the sound of that.
Tell Esko he will have to change the name
untill then I will endevour to grow and know and love his chocolate Rain.

Dam, that still does not sound right
Name change time
 

TheLastWood

Well-Known Member
Gudkarma I can almost garauntee sub never grew bcs in bulk before breedding with it. He's a colorado med grower and has plant limitsz. Plus all the other crosses he's constantly remaking...... I have only had nanners on plush but bive heard of nanners on querkle, agent orange, jc2, and a few others I can't remember exactly so won't say...... but enough of space dude crosses that I think space dudes passin it along.
 

gudkarma

New Member
outside my current cracks, im stoked to run spacedawg.
plus i almost riuned this tinest of cuts when it arrived. so im attached cause i brought it back from the dead.

i got SD cuts in preveg for flower & gonna drop a few i'm rooting now to see the difference in yield.
& she is soooooooooooooo easy to mother.

my current moms list is short : killing fields, double white , blue dream , & spacedawg

a proven cut. simple. i'll run it all day and keep looking for my own grail :-)
 

headbender

Active Member
i feel ya lastwood but agent orange is a jtr cross not space dude, im pretty sure bcs is what really has the problem and subs in oregon im pretty sure!

edit i will be flowering ace and plush very soon so i guess ill find out but bcs is very dominant in all the seedlings i have of both!!
 

BatMaN SKuNK

New Member
He's a colorado med grower and has plant limitsz..
Oregon. and I think it was his friends/acquaintances that grew it. A few GP Community/Med users tested the F1s. But seriously all you that sprang coin without seeing documented grows from TGA or many others besides a couple test threads.. you all should know whomever the breeder is, the results are unpredictable.. with a barely tested anything you take your chances. I just bought Timewreck with seeing a whole 2 grows posted online.. I know anythings possible as far as the outcome.. but I know at least the parents are legit. Other examples. Socal Genetics, RareDankness, Cannaventure.. etc. No test grows anywhere.. I know if I decide to take a chance without knowing somethings proven.. its on me. Those $80-$100 prices are set by the Vendors btw.. not the breeder. Sub claims to make about $1.50 a seed.

I grew Void from TGA and disliked it. Just wasn't for me. But I don't talk about how dissapointed I was every day. It was just a bad choice. Now I know better, there's plenty of other seeds out there to grow next time. lol. Another couple I didn't care for.. Qleaner and Jillybean. Shit happens. They can't all be winners.
 

SketchyGrower

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Yea, I paid $80 per 10 pack threw a TGA rep and $45 a 10 pack threw RD rep way easier to swing that price. For untested/ hard to find grow report beans
 
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