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[bob harris]

That is there for limiting the amount you can hold on hand for patients and the amount of plants that can be grown. That is why it is mentioned in those areas and those areas only. That wording is used to allow you a maximum amount and still carry the protection of REGISTRATION.

So..I can only have enough meds for myself and assigned patients..but I am allowed to sell to any patient? That makes no sense.

Please explain...

 

[ozzrokk]

So..I can only have enough meds for myself and assigned patients..but I am allowed to sell to any patient? That makes no sense.

Please explain...

They did not assume anything about how much you would need for anything. They do not tell you that 2.5 or 12 plants are what a patient needs they tell you that for the registration protections that is the maximum you are allowed. Wether its enough or too much that is the max allowed for THAT protection. Just like the supposed protection from arrest and prosecution is supposed to be one of the guidelines and draw ,call it a reward if you will, for registering. They have no and could not have had a clue on how much a patient would need. Yet you want them to tell you?

Why did they not use the words connected through the registry when talking about a caregiver receiving compensation? Why did they NOT put it there but did put it in TWO other places?

 

[bob harris]

They did not assume anything about how much you would need for anything. They do not tell you that 2.5 or 12 plants are what a patient needs they tell you that for the registration protections that is the maximum you are allowed. Wether its enough or too much that is the max allowed for THAT protection. Just like the supposed protection from arrest and prosecution is supposed to be one of the guidelines and draw ,call it a reward if you will, for registering. They have no and could not have had a clue on how much a patient would need. Yet you want them to tell you?

Why did they not use the words connected through the registry when talking about a caregiver receiving compensation? Why did they NOT put it there but did put it in TWO other places?

I get the protections..we were talking about p2p...so your answer makes no sense

 

[bob harris]

Here is the wording regarding the issue. Read it sloooow. If Timmahhs and Qzz's version of connected is correct. IE: All patients are connected. Then I get 2.5 oz for ALL 140,000 registered patients....I'm gonna need a lot of Mason Jars...

We are all connected..Right Timmahh?

(b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed:

(1) 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana for each qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process; and
(2) for each registered qualifying patient who has specified that the primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility; and

 

[tomcatjones]

Here is the wording regarding the issue. Read it sloooow. If Timmahhs and Qzz's version of connected is correct. IE: All patients are connected. Then I get 2.5 oz for ALL 140,000 registered patients....I'm gonna need a lot of Mason Jars...

We are all connected..Right Timmahh?

(b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed:

(1) 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana for each qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process; and
(2) for each registered qualifying patient who has specified that the primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility; and

you are in b.

remember the repetition i talked about..

even between 1 and 2 they repeat the fact that they are talking about directly connected individuals.

this is what i refer to as "Grow Rights"

this has no bearing on 4(e)

which never makes that distinction.

it does make it clear thought that a CG cannot transfer (and all the other fancy words) or receive compensation from "unregistered patients"

it says "registered patient"

WE ARE ALL registered patients.

 

[ozzrokk]

Here is the wording regarding the issue. Read it sloooow. If Timmahhs and Qzz's version of connected is correct. IE: All patients are connected. Then I get 2.5 oz for ALL 140,000 registered patients....I'm gonna need a lot of Mason Jars...

We are all connected..Right Timmahh?

(b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed:

(1) 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana for each qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process; and
(2) for each registered qualifying patient who has specified that the primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility; and

It would appear that you AGAIN have me confused with a different poster. Go figure.

 

[bob harris]

It would appear that you AGAIN have me confused with a different poster. Go figure.

Nope..that was for Timmahh....he's thinks "connected" has the same meaning as you

Thought you been reading these threads..figured you'd know timmahh

 

[bob harris]

you are in b.

remember the repetition i talked about..

even between 1 and 2 they repeat the fact that they are talking about directly connected individuals.

this is what i refer to as "Grow Rights"

this has no bearing on 4(e)

which never makes that distinction.

it does make it clear thought that a CG cannot transfer (and all the other fancy words) or receive compensation from "unregistered patients"

it says "registered patient"

WE ARE ALL registered patients.

"B" has to have the same meaning as subsection 1. 1. is a sub section of "b"....it even says; "provided that"

so..think again and tell me how "connected" can have 2 different meanings.

meaning #1..direct connection via patient cg agreement..as in 2.5 oz for "connected" through
meaning #1 everyone registered is connected.

Your simply not comprehending "common" language...

See, it comes down to basic reading of English.

I was taught, that when reading a document, that sections (the ones with the letters) were the controlling factor for meaning, while sub sections (the one with the numbers, they are indented to..to show the "sub" relationship) assumed the reader bright enough, to remember that the "meaning" was set forth in the Section.

Documents written in english, define in sections, and clarify in sub sections....can't have 2 meanings

 

[ozzrokk]

Nope..that was for Timmahh....he's thinks "connected" has the same meaning as you

Thought you been reading these threads..figured you'd know timmahh

Funny I do not ever ever ever ever remember saying most of the things you say I said.
I have been right every time you say it.

 

[ballin174]

http://www.onmedicalmarijuana.com/2011/12/17/patient-to-patient-transfers-legal/ Patient to patient transfers are legal Bob. The link is from a recent case.

 

[bob harris]

http://www.onmedicalmarijuana.com/2011/12/17/patient-to-patient-transfers-legal/ Patient to patient transfers are legal Bob. The link is from a recent case.

I'm aware of that case. it's a county case..The reason that no one lends any credence to that case yet, Is that the issue is already to the Supreme Court.

Waiting for that ruling, as it will instantly confirm, or over rule the county decision is far more prudent.

Any ruling on medical cannabis by a lower court, Doesn't set State Rules..just the county..it's a precedent...not a final interpretation of the law.

Only the SC can issue a fully binding decision.

So, if you'd like to feel that a county ruling makes p2p legal, well be careful....

I think the apothecary case is the p2p issue that's "up the court chain"..and I belive the ruling is expected fairly soon..

 

[FatMarty]

B overrides 1 because it is an exception.
The exception being it addresses Caregivers, while A addresses Patients.

 

[Cory and trevor]

"B" has to have the same meaning as subsection 1. 1. is a sub section of "b"....it even says; "provided that"

so..think again and tell me how "connected" can have 2 different meanings.

meaning #1..direct connection via patient cg agreement..as in 2.5 oz for "connected" through
meaning #1 everyone registered is connected.

Your simply not comprehending "common" language...

See, it comes down to basic reading of English.

I was taught, that when reading a document, that sections (the ones with the letters) were the controlling factor for meaning, while sub sections (the one with the numbers, they are indented to..to show the "sub" relationship) assumed the reader bright enough, to remember that the "meaning" was set forth in the Section.

Documents written in english, define in sections, and clarify in sub sections....can't have 2 meanings

So is this law clear or not Bob? in one section of the forum it's coudy and in "plain language" and needs clarification according to you and now right here we're all idiots for not being able to read plain english as it's clearly spelled out to you what the law means. you want clarification if it suits your fight (you do NOT debate, you're condescending and an asshole about it so its fighting) and when it doesn't it needs clarification. at the risk of being one of those guys I jsut have to call you a dick because you are in fact a dick.

 

[Corso312]

I don't understand how you guys are against anyone growing or selling ... card, no card who cares..it is a harmless plant with huge benefits to humans..it is sad that when a state goes medical half the card holders have the "hooray for me and fuck everyone else attitude" ..the state threw you you a small bone ...don't be satisfied, demand your full portion not a scrap or two.

 

[Cory and trevor]

I don't understand how you guys are against anyone growing or selling ... card, no card who cares..it is a harmless plant with huge benefits to humans..it is sad that when a state goes medical half the card holders have the "hooray for me and fuck everyone else attitude" ..the state threw you you a small bone ...don't be satisfied, demand your full portion not a scrap or two.

YES, thank god there is a voice of reason out there. it's grass....it's corn... it's a fucking weed until we all see it as the crazy thing that it is then we're just fighting over who has more right to lick the bone they threw us.

 

[bob harris]

So is this law clear or not Bob? in one section of the forum it's coudy and in "plain language" and needs clarification according to you and now right here we're all idiots for not being able to read plain english as it's clearly spelled out to you what the law means. you want clarification if it suits your fight (you do NOT debate, you're condescending and an asshole about it so its fighting) and when it doesn't it needs clarification. at the risk of being one of those guys I jsut have to call you a dick because you are in fact a dick.

If it were clear...it wouldn't be at the Supreme Court

 

[bob harris]

YES, thank god there is a voice of reason out there. it's grass....it's corn... it's a fucking weed until we all see it as the crazy thing that it is then we're just fighting over who has more right to lick the bone they threw us.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with medical cannabis....it's still illegal for other uses.

 

[bob harris]

I don't understand how you guys are against anyone growing or selling ... card, no card who cares..it is a harmless plant with huge benefits to humans..it is sad that when a state goes medical half the card holders have the "hooray for me and fuck everyone else attitude" ..the state threw you you a small bone ...don't be satisfied, demand your full portion not a scrap or two.

I thought that we the people won a voters initiative...was not aware anyone threw us a bone.

Although, since we WON a "bone" as yousay, I'd like to keep it. And maybe win a steak too.

Your ignorant I can do what I want "because it SHOULD be legal" thoughts...are exactly why we will never win....no respect

 

[Corso312]

you have a defeatist attitude with "we will never win"...We WILL win ,we have been winning since the game kicked off,it is the 4th quarter and the the score is Weed 62 - corrupt politicians, greedy corporations 13 . just because things have improved slightly than before for you does not mean things are fine.

 

[Cory and trevor]

I swear Bob you are the happiest little scaredy cat on the planet. keep your head down. don't raise suspicion. don't go anywhere near your plant count total. keep quiet don't medicate where others can see. dude, get free for christs sake and stop being so happy with hiding in a dingy lil grow room.