430watt LED perpetual medical grow op

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Hello my fellow RIU friends,

Been growing for about 7 years now with hps, converted to LED about 1 year ago.

Have lower back problems (compressed Discs) and i refuse to use Pharmz, this is what gets me through the day with my daily tasks etc, I really dont know what i would do with out it. I harvest a plant or half a plant every week/2weeks, i normally have 4 - 6 plants running depending on the size in a 50cmX90cmX180cm grow tent.

Had much problems over the past year with nute lockout issue due to mixing to many ferts together etc.

At the current moment using canna coco ab, H and G shooting powder, Earth juice cataylst and Dutchmaster AD 27, Dutchmaster silica, GH floranector, cannazyme, Rhizo, Nitrozyme (in veg) and last but not least, Ozonated tap water with a ec0.2.

I will be popping some world of seeds space and Madness, ontop of this i will be finishing off bagseed clones taken from 2 mothers I've kept which were a killer smoke.

Here are the pics of the bag seed clones at day 35 flowering.



Peace to all and happy growing.
 
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Thanks for dropping in man :) to everyone.

Apologies for not providing further info on the setup.

1x500watt blackstar pulls 335w at the wall, 1x240 blackstar pulls 138w at the wall, minus the fans it works out to about 430 watts of LED.

I will be Adding a apollo 6 in the upcomming months, in total should have 630watts of LEDS in a 50cm by 90cm by 180cm grow tent.

Forgot to mention that i also use dutch master silica, GH floranector (last 1 week flush), and cannazym.

Battery died on the camera and i could only take pics today Day 45, Will be posting new pics every week or so, Have some more pics of the same plants when they started out flowering, i will add those to the first post.

Both clones were veged for 30 days plus 7 days for rooting (37 days total), During veg they were fed with canna AB (0.6ec-0.8ec), cannazym, rhizo (only once a week at 1ml/L), and nitrozyme at 1ml/L which has increases the growth rate by almost double ever since i started using it, but rhizo and nitrozym dont go well together for some reason? Does anyone know why? thought maybe cause they both have kelp?

Here are some more pics at day 45, started to flush with 0.5ec canna ab with 0.1ec of shooting powder for the 2nd last week (total 0.6ec). The last week will remove shooting powder decrease ec to 0.4 add floranector and keep the earthjuice catalyst. I've already harvested some lower buds from the first plant (indica dominnant), 2nd plant with the yellowing leaves is a sativa type pheno from the same bag seed which i had to clear some bud from the main cola last week to let some light to lower buds. Before i harvested the buds i had been flushing with GH florakleen for 2 days due to the high amount of shooting powder they had been receiving to remove any excess ferts in the bud (i've smoked bud with this technique and without and you can diffinately taste the extra ferts in the bud), but nothing is better than a good old organic flush at the end of the plants cycle. Earth juice catalyst at 3ml/L, floranector at 1ml/L, canna AB at 0.4 ec (to keep the Cat ion exchange in the coco), run this just before chop, 2 days before chop flush with florakleen for 1 night and then OZONATED water for the last watering ( a really good flush ), let her drink the pure ozonated water, once she needs her next watering, chop her down, when smoke, Burns with no problems (grey/white ash) and tastes the way the weed smells, with these bag seed strains its fruity, but i cant pin down what the indica pheno tastes like, but im sure its some sort of kush strain, can tell from the high, the other sat pheno is a bubblegum/blueberry sort of strain.

1st pic sativa pheno, 2nd pic indica. Yellowing of the leaves on the sat pheno is bleaching from the blackstar 500watt, If you notice the lower sugar/small fan leaves are perfectly green, upper sugar/small fan leaves bleached.

Thankyou to all who dropped by and liked/viewed this thread/posts etc, much appreciated, i hope i can return the favor.

Peace to all and happy growing.
 

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First things first:


Hopefully you have an Inversion Table to relieve the stress on the discs. Take a combination of Krill Oil + Astaxanthin + 10gms of D3 a day. This combo should help considerably. You can google the research. I buy from Swanson Vitamins

Lighting

Always curious to see how leds are improving. I have a 2 yo UFO 90 dual band that I use for veg/clones in a separate 2 x 2 closet. I supplement with cfls _ reptile bulbs when I need it to finish something. My primary light is a 4ft @ 8 bulb HO T5 Bad Boy (432 watts) using specialty aquarium bulbs; 2 x 4 footprint (~ $400).

Just finished of using the entire DM gold line, so I know what a RPITA all that mixing can be. I switched out 2 of my systems nutes to Hydroponic-Research VEG+ BLOOM a couple weeks ago. The improvement is so dramatic that I switched out the last (3rd) system this morning. Will be using it for my clones soon.

Drop in on my journal to see the improvement in just 2 weeks during early flower to now.
 
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PetFlora said:

First things first:


Hopefully you have an Inversion Table to relieve the stress on the discs. Take a combination of Krill Oil + Astaxanthin + 10gms of D3 a day. This combo should help considerably. You can google the research. I buy from Swanson Vitamins

Lighting

Always curious to see how leds are improving. I have a 2 yo UFO 90 dual band that I use for veg/clones in a separate 2 x 2 closet. I supplement with cfls _ reptile bulbs when I need it to finish something. My primary light is a 4ft @ 8 bulb HO T5 Bad Boy (432 watts) using specialty aquarium bulbs; 2 x 4 footprint (~ $400).

Just finished of using the entire DM gold line, so I know what a RPITA all that mixing can be. I switched out 2 of my systems nutes to Hydroponic-Research VEG+ BLOOM a couple weeks ago. The improvement is so dramatic that I switched out the last (3rd) system this morning. Will be using it for my clones soon.

Drop in on my journal to see the improvement in just 2 weeks during early flower to now.
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Hello Petflora

Thankyou for the advice about the vitamins, Will have look into it.

My nute lockout problem was mixing to much earth juice and floranector combined with rhizo and floraliciou and Ontop of that, was using shooting powder, canna AB and DM add .27 (which on its own is fine for flowering) but add rhizo and floralicious to the mix and everything starts locking out, plants grow and flower, but rate is sickly and stunted.

Thanks for dropping into the thread man, will drop by your grow journal and have a look.

Will update the thread with some dried bud pics of the indica strain and day 47 pics, i might let them go to day 60, i really go from how the pistils and trichromes are, in the warmer months (tent temps 80-85f) the indica pheno is done by day 45 with cloudy/amber/clear trichs, temps for these clones have been between 72-78f which seems to have slow down rippening but increased growth :). Need to also organise early flowering pics which i have on the other computer and update the first post.

Peace to all and happy growing
 
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Hi all

Day 46-47, most trichs are clear cloudy with some amber, here some closeups of plants.

Peace to all and happy growing
 
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bb419: 1 gallon pots with coco and hydrotron on the bottom for drainage for the sat pheno (lots of yellow fan leaves) and 2 litre icecream container for indica pheno, I think it depends if its running at 110v or 240v, have a kilowatt meter and it reads 334 at the socket, 2011 year models for both of them, the bs 240 runs at 130watts as well, but when run at 110v i think it uses 118w (correct me if im wrong, referring from memory).

Chopped down the last remaining cola of the indica pheno Day 50, added some close ups, looks like a forest of mushrooms.

Peace to all and happy growing
 

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looks great man. From my understanding, while using leds the plants do not need as much nutes. Your plants look great though i hope mine will look as good as yours does when i am done.
 
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Thanks for dropping by spawned, I did over do it with the catalyst and shooting powder between days 30 - 40 on the sat pheno, needed much less food than the indica pheno, and i agree that the same strain needed less feeding under LED due to the heat compared to HID, but bleaching can still occur on many strains.

As long you keep it simple spawned, your buds should come out nice and dank, try not to over do it, and then slowly introduce organic additives etc etc, watch how the plant grows and just increase slowly, if you see abit of leaf burn or curling, just back off, Always find its easier to fix up under ferted plant than to recover a over ferted plant. Over ferted plant takes a while to get back on track once flushed (faster recovery if florakleen is used at 5mls a gal over flushing with plain water), but under ferted plants just need abit of ferts with no recovery time needed.

Spawned post up a journal and im sure we can help you along the way if you encounter any problems, many people on RIU love to help others, and we all love watching those plants grow over the months.

Peace to all and happy growing.
 
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Rasser said:
What wattage was your HPS running at before ?
and do the 430W LED do better than before.
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Was using a magnetic ballast with a 430watt son t argo lamp, total of 720watts when running, not to mention the 1000watt air con, which used to kill me during summer, and with space being a problem, i cant just grow during winter.

LEDS do way better than before, at first was abit dissapointed, but i found with LEDS, feeding varys compared to HID and plants respond differently when given different enhancers etc, Great meds can be grown under LED but it takes alot of reading of other journals and practice.

I will be updating how much i feed and what and when i get some extra time, Been experimenting with different watering intervals and i find if you give your plants a dry periods once a week, they love it under LED, you cant do this under HID with out any negative symptoms. For example i water once a day with coco, when it comes to the weekend i dont water for 2 days, top part of the coco dries out and so does the bottom part which is lined in Hydrotron (air pruning the lower bottom roots touching the hydrotron), I even do this towards the end of flowering (3rd and maybe 2nd last week), many have said dont let coco dry out especially during flowering, under LEDS i must disagree on this.

I do find growth under LED to be different, Especially during the end of flowering, some strains respond really well with the plants only 7 - 5 inches away, and the way pistils are thrown out is amazing never seen anything like that, but others will bleach, including the calayxs.

LEDS are the future, even now with some of the panels some amazing meds can be grown, but its a totally different ball park, I've read many journals were people have said i bought a BS500 and it grows shit bud? Well this was the case for me in the beginning, but once you understand what the plants need at when, growing under LED becomes really fun, and some great meds can be grown.

Peace to all and happy growing.
 
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Been really flatout and busy lately, hadnt had much time to update this thread.

I've harvested all plants pictured above, Added WOS Strawberry Blue and madness Seedling which had been veged for about 1 week, Have not taken photo's off these yet.

Pics are clones of the same strain just 2 different pheno's, some sort of skunk/kush bagseed, its been in my garden for about 2 years now, lovely smoke.

I've been experimenting this round with increasing the height of the LED panels from 7 inches to 10 - 15 inches.

Added Sea Acids organic chelation additives (helps with nutrient uptake), and GH vegan compost tea.

Feeding schedule

Start with tap water of 100ppm, bubble it for 24hours, added dutchmaster silica at 1ml per litre (this is my mixing water which lasts me about 1-2 weeks)
Mix canna ab at 2.0 ec in seperate bucket
Start with base base ec of 0.8 canna coco AB (diluted with mixing water)
Added earth juice cat at 5-15mls per 4 litres depending at what stage of flowering they are at (higher dosage during last weeks and lower during 2-4weeks of flowering), I keep nitrozyme for the first week of flowering and then introduce earth juice catalyst.
Might added some floranova floralicious at 0.5-2mls per 4litres, depending on how they are looking (this normally fixes up Ca/mg issues, plus the earth juice catalyst helps)
Add 2.5mls - 7.5mls per 4 litres of vegan compost tea
I let it bubble for 12-24 hours, sometime only a couple of hours, hopefully the benies have started to thrive by then.
Before watering add 5-10mls per L of Sea acids, 10mls per L for the first 5 weeks or so of flowering depending on how much stretching the pheno does (this stuff accelerates root growth and adds alot of stretching) and decrease dosage down towards the end of flowering.
As soon as i see first signs of pistils, I add 50ppm (0.1ec) of H&G shooting powder and water them 2 times week with the shooting powder (Take it easy to not burn them), at the 5th weeks i start adding shooting powder at 50-100ppm (0.1-0.2ec) 3 - 4 times a week, and at the 6th shooting powder is in every watering until i see the first signs of cloudy trichs.
Once cloudy trichs are the majority (pistils by now are starting to brown), drop canna ab to 0.4ec, keep the catalyst at 5-10mls per 4l, add GH floranector at 1ml per L, keep the vegan compost tea at 2.5mls per 4l, feed like this for about a week. Then start flushing with Florakleen for another week at half the recommended dosage (i find that half the dosage but double the flushing time, has a better final taste, as oposed to flushing at full strength for 3 days).

Pics 3&4 are at day 37-38, trichs are still mainly clear for LST large bush on the right, about day 32 for half trained tall cola'ed LST bushed.

Pics 1 is at 30 days for left plant , and pic2 is at 55 days.

Total of 4 plants in a 50cmX90cmX160cm growtent with 600watts of LED lighting.

I dont have time to weigh complete plants as i harvest gradually, I love the same pheno at different stages of ripening.

Peace to all, stay safe and happy growing.
 

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Added some pics of the Strawberry Blue and Madness seedlings, I think they are at day 4 or so flowering.

Added more pics of the bagseed all plants are between day 30 - 40. Started to flush LST bag seed plant, need to get another clone in there as its outgrowing my small veg cab. Going to chop at around day 50 or so, but will be harvesting cola's after the 5th day of flushing.

Peace to all, stay safe and happy growing.
 

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Thanks brother Enduroxx, it gets hot in there, 85-90 at the tips, but with good air circulation everything is comming along fine.

The higher amount of wattage has allowed me to water every day now with out overwatering, love how every part of the tent has light, can start clones and seedling off under the big flowering plants.

Have another update, harvested some middle lower colas from the large lsted plant after 3 days of flushing, they looking abit green, but need to make room, will be harvesting it slowly over the period of flushing

Some more pics taken just after lights out, budding plants are between day 30 - 40, LST bush is about day 40, Tall plant on the right is about day 35 and the small plant at the front is at about day 32, Problem is i forgot to document when i put them into flowering, but remember the rough date hehe (stoner memory).

Tall cola plant has some nute burn from adding abit to much earth juice catalyst, with raising the lights, the cal-mg issue has dissapeared, except with the LST bush which im sure is nute lockout from adding to much catalyst as this pheno is very sensitive to nutes.

Will be repotting the Strawberry blue and Madness hopefully very soon, lower cytodloens have yellowed and roots are sprouting from the bottom.

Peace to all, stay safe and happy growing.
 

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Hello Friends,

Its amazing how soothing it is to look at your garden, i think thats what gets me through every days struggles, there is no better therapy then growing your own meds, and the process of watching your girls grow is amazing, i hope many share this passion and we can spread the love and good vibes all around.

WOS strawberry blue and Madness seedlings are at day 12 flowering, will be repotting them into 1 gallon pots this week sometime.

Harvested one plant, most buds are gone left some lower cola/buds to ripen, been flushing for about 8 days now, about 5 days with half strength florakleen, and the rest ozonated water, Added close up of a harvest cola dried and just about to go into jarring for a 1 week cure

Starting to flush large cola plant, bottom pistils are about 50/50 amber/white, still alot of new growth uptop, will harvest lower cola's to make light for lower buds after about 5 days of flushing. Last round i removed most shade fan leaves, this round i left the fan leaves on the same pheno. Some calyx's have purple tinge to them, feed them abit to much to much catalyst and shooting powder, went to 0.3ec shooting powder and 15mls per gal catalyst, some burnt tips, but nothing to severe, gave them first flush of florakleen with lights on.

Night time temps are 63-70f and day time temps are from 80-88f, RH is at 30% day time and about 40% night time.

Thanks for any comments and for dropping by
Peace, stay safe and happy growing :)
 

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