ginjawarrior
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didnt you hear its because they havent made any second amendment actions that we KNOW that they're planning on doing it?
"Stand Your Ground" laws, are they a good, or bad idea?
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RawBudzski
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UB still keeping the croud busy I see. 
I like a consistant / motivated man. <3
I like a consistant / motivated man. <3
UncleBuck
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exactly. the CIA birthed a mixed race kid in kenya. they snuck some ads into hawaii newspapers for no apparent reason. to cover their trail, they moved the kid to hawaii. then indonesia. they groomed him for presidency for 40+ years, making sure that he smoked weed and did cocaine along the way, then they rigged the election so he would become president. and he did.
there were several gun violence incidents, gabby gifford and trayvon martin among them, but he played it cool. never even tried to renew clinton's brady bill, which would have lessened the gabby giffords massacre by 50% if enforced.
then and only then, after narrowly defeating romney in an election that the CIA rigged once again, obama took everyone's guns away.
gotta stay up. thieves abound. investment at risk.UB still keeping the croud busy I see.
I like a consistant / motivated man. <3
RawBudzski
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Ahh, yes I understand.. .thieves would be dissapointed w/ me right now. I am just bored & alone. Saving penny by penny for that shiney new mini-split I am in need of.
UncleBuck
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mini-split?
RawBudzski
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Mini-Split Air conditioner / heater.?. I have no cooling unit as of now :[. & summer approaches.
Canna Sylvan
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Bucky proved you wrong. Liberals just want to define immediate, imminent and necessary force. Whatever the hell those mean. It's there to allow responsible people to defend themself. If you're having amusement, an NRA member, or other non-liberal, you're supposed to pull down your pants, bend over and say,"please sir, may I have another."
"I want to have Obama's baby, hate Bush and the NRA, and I was so scared, your honor."
Case dismissed!
So yeah, Buck proved you a total idiot.
Canna Sylvan
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" Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence"
http://www.bradycampaign.org/
Everyone knows the only way to prevent gun violence 100% is if guns didn't exist.
desert dude
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So, you think SYG will allow you to kill somebody over property? Good luck with that. "... reasonably fears great bodily harm or death..."
desert dude
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Let me be sure I understand you position, UB. The SYG laws are unnecessary because they are redundant? Standard self defense laws already give a person the same legal protections that SYG laws offer?
Canna Sylvan
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http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2011/10/19/medical-marijuana-user-sues-over-gun-ban/
The 2nd amendment doesn't count if you're a pot smoking hippy. Since we all know mmj is a lie. Marijuana has no medical used. All it does is changes you into a black, if you weren't one already, man who rapes white women and listen to jazz. Just look at our president, he used to be black in that blunt picture. Ever since he quit, he's now an upstanding WASP Irish man putting those nasty marijuana users in jail where they belong.
Romney is no different, but at least with Obama it's by a real christian without magical underwear and I can look forward to rope and chains. Obama 2012! Obama 2016! Obama 2020! Obama forever!
Canna Sylvan
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SYG laws block loop holes favoring murders, rapists and theives. That's unfair! Everyone deserves to make a living.
desert dude
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This is just a spittle flecked rant with no substance.
1. Guns may be of no use to you. That is a judgment call on your part, and certainly your right to make.
2. SYG laws do not give anybody the right to kill people over property. Cite the passage that justifies the claim.
3. Joe Horn was brought before a grand jury and they returned "no bill", apparently a jury thought it was a justified shooting. Wiki has a page (surprise!!!) about the Joe Horn incident that gives a bit more detail than the 911 recording As far as I can tell, SYG was not a factor in the Joe Horn case, it was standard castle doctrine, i.e. ordinary self defense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy.
4. George Zimmerman was violently assaulted and reasonably feared "great bodily harm or death", this seems like a legitimate use of SYG although SYG has not yet been cited as far as I know.
5. SYG does not promote "proactive deadly force". Cite the passage that justifies the claim.
6. Your "disable before I kill" policy is contrary to the advice and training of experts in the matter.
7. Your anecdote about your neighbor is believable. I think I would probably suffer some emotional damage as a result of killing somebody as well. Would she be better off if the intruder had killed her?
8. I don't understand what the Waco incident has to do with this discussion, so no comment.
9. If everybody who supports SYG laws are homicidal maniacs, then there ought to be a big pile of bodies somewhere. Speaking for myself, I have never murdered anybody, or even justifiably killed anybody; I hope it stays that way.
ginjawarrior
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yeah i saw that link already and it does nothing to back up this statment" Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence" http://www.bradycampaign.org/ Everyone knows the only way to prevent gun violence 100% is if guns didn't exist.
i do realize that you live in a crazy paranoid world where you belive white is black and that theres hoards of ebill librulls waiting around every corner waiting to steal you wages and shit on your freedom. but even with all that aside a group campaigning for "sensible gun laws" =/= "libruls really want is for there to be NO guns and for you to have NO defense." or is it that they're not trying to get your guns that gives the game away that they're trying to ban all guns?
abandonconflict
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I think as long as they clear it up a bit by wording the laws concisely and also clear up the confusion about what ground you can legally stand, nobody should be locked up for a genuine self defense case. I don't think that a citizen should be allowed to do anything that a police officer can not legally do in self defense outside of their home. Inside the home, I think that the intruder has already forfeit life. I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but I'm also for increased control in the form of training. I think this will also take care of some of the problem with accidents. I agree with UB though, stuff<life. However, I think that SYG laws (after refining to clear up confusion) should actually be extended such that one can defend other people where they have a legal right to be. Better believe that if you come charging at a member of my family you will notice my presence. If it happens in my house though, you won't ever know I was there until you are a ghost. In fact I think a man has an obligation to defend his family in his home and should possibly face charges himself if he doesn't do what he can. He should at least be ridiculed. So I think the law should actually be more 'liberal'.
As a combat veteran, I know that not everyone has the nerve to show restraint even if they have the desire. Some people will scheme to find a way to commit homicide and claim that they were defending themselves and the law should not be removed simply to prevent this, it should be refined. Castle Doctrine doesn't need to change much, but SYG applying outside the home should be limited to places one truly has a right to be, this obviously excludes someone else's property and particularly if the owners of said property have expressed that one is not welcome, regardless of how loud the music is and if they are fucking one's wife.
A police dispatcher telling a citizen not to pursue should be a legal counter to a self defense claim in any case where lethal force is used outside of one's home. Just my two cents.
As a combat veteran, I know that not everyone has the nerve to show restraint even if they have the desire. Some people will scheme to find a way to commit homicide and claim that they were defending themselves and the law should not be removed simply to prevent this, it should be refined. Castle Doctrine doesn't need to change much, but SYG applying outside the home should be limited to places one truly has a right to be, this obviously excludes someone else's property and particularly if the owners of said property have expressed that one is not welcome, regardless of how loud the music is and if they are fucking one's wife.
A police dispatcher telling a citizen not to pursue should be a legal counter to a self defense claim in any case where lethal force is used outside of one's home. Just my two cents.
UncleBuck
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why you start threads without understanding the topic is beyond me.
read the link you provided in the OP. you can shoot someone dead for entering property or stealing stuff. see joe horn.
i would be embarrassed if i were you. so fucking stupid.
UncleBuck
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the redundancy makes it unnecessary. the legal pathway to murder makes it fucking retarded.
unless, of course, you're a homicidal psychopath.
UncleBuck
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In 2007 Texas Legislature passed Senate Bill 378 which extends a person’s right to stand their ground beyond the home to vehicles and workplaces, allowing the reasonable use of deadly force when an intruder is:
- Committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes;
- Unlawfully trying to enter a protected place
so he's in his home, safe as safe can be, clutching his rifle. he then leaves his house and shoots two people dead seconds before cops arrive.
he wasn't defending himself, he was serving vigilante justice.
he was not on defense, he was on offense. he chased the kid. he left his place of safety. it can not be called self "defense" when he was on the offense.
you can shoot someone who is not threatening your life just because they are breaking into someone else's house or protected place. you should probably read the stuff in your own posts, genius.
fuck your experts. if i can neutralize the threat without a person's life on my hands, i will do just that.
nuts that support SYG also generally stand with the branch davidians who wrote their own death certificate. should they have been tried by 12, or carried by 6, as SYG promoters often like to say?
defense is one thing, going on the offense to kill someone is another, and that's what SYG allows. if your life is truly threatened, you are able to use deadly force without resorting to SYG. SYG is a license to legal murder ad vigilantism.
abandonconflict
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Hello, you're dead.In 2007 Texas Legislature passed Senate Bill 378 which extends a person’s right to stand their ground beyond the home to vehicles and workplaces, allowing the reasonable use of deadly force when an intruder is:
- Committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes;
- Unlawfully trying to enter a protected place
so he's in his home, safe as safe can be, clutching his rifle. he then leaves his house and shoots two people dead seconds before cops arrive.
he wasn't defending himself, he was serving vigilante justice.
he was not on defense, he was on offense. he chased the kid. he left his place of safety. it can not be called self "defense" when he was on the offense.
you can shoot someone who is not threatening your life just because they are breaking into someone else's house or protected place. you should probably read the stuff in your own posts, genius.
fuck your experts. if i can neutralize the threat without a person's life on my hands, i will do just that.
nuts that support SYG also generally stand with the branch davidians who wrote their own death certificate. should they have been tried by 12, or carried by 6, as SYG promoters often like to say?
defense is one thing, going on the offense to kill someone is another, and that's what SYG allows. if your life is truly threatened, you are able to use deadly force without resorting to SYG. SYG is a license to legal murder ad vigilantism.
abandonconflict
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Wait, nvm, it was "Move and you're dead!"
hmm, he should never have called the police imo, he killed these guys on his own yard
hmm, he should never have called the police imo, he killed these guys on his own yard