True HP Aero For 2011

Sorry for the double post, but has anybody tried the new 422 timer? My old 422 finally gave up, and they discontinued the original, although you can get the standard still on eBay, no more 12v. I have the new 422, but it doesn't appear to be as nice as the original, and is tiny, although has universal voltage. Also on the hunt for a new 16 bar tank, seem to be harder to find in the USA than they used to, may have to get one from the UK.
 

Trichy Bastard

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Ya, been doing the hpa/tag for awhile, had to cheat a lilbit due to the grocery store pressures being much higher with higher flow rates. I was getting good results with 3'x3' per plant, although still having to deal with a lil saturation. I'm not sure what you mean about john guest, I use there fittings, but have used test pumps on lpa/accumulator setups for awhile, using dual 12v deep cycles as you said. I use the 6800 for cloning, and another for veg. Have to say this thread was/is pretty good, didn't know the difference between all the nozzle being that I was using a high pressure stainless steel system. This build is kinda a tester, LOL. Not sure if I like having more than 1 plant per pod, but I'lil be running a nice high yielding indica a buddy in Cali sent me called starfighter. Its alien chem x alien og. Have been really interested in your as thread. Don't check out forums much, so I haven't heard much about it, way cool. And for chamber size, I learned this by throwing my HP misting system in 5x5 PVC, and at crops end the couple plants furthest from the Mister were taking over the chamber, and had nicer roots, (not fuzzy, but not nft). So after that I started building my own chambers.
Ohh I may have misread, you said hydrostatic pump, and there's a hpa guy out there on another site who spoke of using a manual hydrostatic pump in his setup with a very high pressure accumulator, his alias was John Guest (yes, like the fittings). For some reason I thought you meant the manual pump and I assumed you may have seen his posts.

One plant per chamber is fine, the only thing to keep in mind is the chambers themselves need to be a decent size to allow the mist room to spread out and expand (so you can get those roots you just mentioned on the ends of the chamber). So far it sounds like you use decent sized chambers however, so you're good there. It's 5 gallon buckets and the like that tend to make things harder on people. If you're not growing trees, it usually makes the most sense to have multiple plants in the chambers so you can incorporate the larger air volume in your design, and use it for plants instead of just a bunch of wasted airspace.
 

Trichy Bastard

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Like the new picture. Is that from your cloner or the AA rig? Either way, looks very like an atomizer pic so that's pretty badass.

I hate to beat a dead horse to death but I can't say enough about dyna-gro! I don't think I'll be changing anytime soon. Feel like taking my guard down for a second and showing y'all what I gots goin. This thing has perked right up since introducing the DG.

Question about low ppms involved here and flavor? Is there any truth that flavor is improved over something running say, 2500ppm? I don't know that I've ever heard conclusive evidence saying either way. I know it's a bit subjective, as dif strokes, etc...

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Wow, that's turning out to be quite a bush! I don't think nutes affect the flavor so much personally. I think it has to do with genetics and then the plants being healthy and not over-nuted, and then it's all in the cure if you ask me. I would assume a plant that is nearly burnt most of it's life might taste bad, but I also believe that kind of abuse results in slower growth contrary to the popular beliefs, so I wouldn't ever grow like that anyway. The DG makes plants taste fine, and I'm not one for boosters, however I've read by someone I trust that Floraliscious plus appears to add taste and resin when used with DG the last few weeks.

Hah, I finally decided to change up the avatar I chose when I first signed up. It is a tribute to G-love, and I snagged it from one of his journals. It's a constant statement and reminder of what I'm all about here, and since G-love already wrote the wording on it, 'twas just too good to pass up. :D If it brings him out of hiding to scold me for using without express permission, I will gladly take the heat just to have a chance to have words with him...
 

Trichy Bastard

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ive noticed different nutrients affect flavor alot more than ppms. although i give em what they need, which is magnified in hpa. youll probably notice a difference in flavor between hg, and dg. i always can taste gh flora, others say im crazy, lol.
Lol, I just said the opposite, however it's just an opinion, like taste in food or music. Perhaps different ratios of nutes could have a bearing, it sounds completely logical that what you put in affects what you get out. One of the things I do like about Dyna is that the label says it has more trace nutrients than any other brand I've seen- it's quite complete, and they don't even sell boosters besides mag-pro, Silica, and KLN rooting product. Perhaps those trace elements make a difference too?
 

Trichy Bastard

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Sorry for the double post, but has anybody tried the new 422 timer? My old 422 finally gave up, and they discontinued the original, although you can get the standard still on eBay, no more 12v. I have the new 422, but it doesn't appear to be as nice as the original, and is tiny, although has universal voltage. Also on the hunt for a new 16 bar tank, seem to be harder to find in the USA than they used to, may have to get one from the UK.
I'm the king of double, triple, quarduple (you get the idea and I'm going for a quad as I type now) posts- so don't worry there... I think you always had to special request the 12v version as they didn't list it on the site, but it was available. Anyway, it appears they're retiring the version we've been using, in favor of a much less expensive model that works on universal current and voltages as well as looking a bit different. I'd call and ask if the quality and tolerences are still similar, and if so it looks to be a good thing, because they are now going for a quarter of the former cost, and being universal makes them quite nice for recycling them for different projects. You can easily buy 2 of them that will give you the nice ability to have precisely separate day and nightime misting schedules for about half of what I paid for my single timer that does nothing of the sort. I just hope the price doesn't reflect a decline in quality because they are now made in China with cheap components or something. The former proven version is a real workhorse and it'd be a shame if this new model was anything less. It pretty much makes it pointless to build your own timers now unless you really enjoy inhaling rosin and burning your hands to save 30 bucks :)

The higher pressure tanks seem hard to source here, but commonplace and inexpensive in the UK. The question is how much of a dent the shipping and duties will put in your kid's future college tuitions... :D
 

Mike Young

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Wow, that's turning out to be quite a bush!
Damn, that's what I was afraid of. Still bush league, lol. When does a bush stop being a bush and become a tree, dammit? I can't wait for the day somebody says, "Damn, that's turning out to be quite the tree!" It's only about 20 days into flower, so hopefully she'll keep up at this rate and double.
 

dickkhead

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Like the new picture. Is that from your cloner or the AA rig? Either way, looks very like an atomizer pic so that's pretty badass.

I hate to beat a dead horse to death but I can't say enough about dyna-gro! I don't think I'll be changing anytime soon. Feel like taking my guard down for a second and showing y'all what I gots goin. This thing has perked right up since introducing the DG.

Question about low ppms involved here and flavor? Is there any truth that flavor is improved over something running say, 2500ppm? I don't know that I've ever heard conclusive evidence saying either way. I know it's a bit subjective, as dif strokes, etc...

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props! she looks nice and healthy! I know how you feel about dyna gro lol I couldnt thank home brewer enought for saving me from buying AN. whats your ppm at with hp aero? what are you using form dyna line up?
 

Trichy Bastard

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Damn, that's what I was afraid of. Still bush league, lol. When does a bush stop being a bush and become a tree, dammit? I can't wait for the day somebody says, "Damn, that's turning out to be quite the tree!" It's only about 20 days into flower, so hopefully she'll keep up at this rate and double.
Lol, you're too sensitive about it. :) It's either a large bush, or small tree, and it's not done yet, so is that better? lol
 

Trichy Bastard

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nice avatar tb I like your thinking wonder what happened to g-love?....
He disappeared into the infamous aero void... From his comments- he would pack up and never visit a forum again if he felt any heat from the law. He had a couple close calls and probably decided to play it safe. Who knows, maybe he's reading this right now and smiling... ;) This thread's had over 80,000 views as of now, so there are alot more lurkers than posters.
 

zatoichi2

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Trichy, I am new to this forum and not used to it yet, spent a lot of time on shroomtalk a few years ago, which made it easy to send each other private messages. Tried Hydro in 1992 with poor results. It was new then, and no internet. Are there hydro growing teks (techniques) somewhere, and which do you recommend. I did ebb and flow then, and am poor now (went from rags to riches to rags) due to economy, so need a cheap tek.

Thanks and Best Wishes,
Zatoichi
 

Trichy Bastard

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Trichy, I am new to this forum and not used to it yet, spent a lot of time on shroomtalk a few years ago, which made it easy to send each other private messages. Tried Hydro in 1992 with poor results. It was new then, and no internet. Are there hydro growing teks (techniques) somewhere, and which do you recommend. I did ebb and flow then, and am poor now (went from rags to riches to rags) due to economy, so need a cheap tek.

Thanks and Best Wishes,
Zatoichi
Hi Zatoiochi2, I also started using hydro around the same time, I was only a teen at back then and a Dyna-gro rep set me up for success. I recommending following a good ebb/flow setup like the one homebrewer uses for cheap simplicity and good results. Here is a link to one of his journals for study and info: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/358562-dyna-gro-vs-general-hydroponics.html He gives lots of photos and shows you just how healthy and nice a proper setup and extremely simple nutrient regimen can be. You could be growing just like him for under a hundred bucks including nutrients and everything you'll need to start if you follow his information closely.
Good luck!

On a similar note, I am considering doing a large scale but very cheap whole outdoor garden hp-aero setup... Here's how I plan to make it work:
I have a decent sized garden out in my backyard around 12x20ft. My main water pressure tends to sit at around 80-90 psi which is good for HP-aero, not to mention it's source is surface water and has low tds and somewhat high chlorine levels. I was going to dig long trenches out in the soil and perhaps line the walls with weedmat stretched on 2x2's to give the soil walls some integrity. I'd lay something ontop as a lid such as plywood, and cutout my netpot holes in it. Then I'd get a nute injector like this that is cheap and seems to work even at low flow rates with good accuracy: http://www.groworganic.com/media/pdfs/wmx200-l.pdf
And then just run some 1/4" pex tubing with solenoids and bio-control nozzles every few feet 3/4 of the way up the trench walls. The only real cost will be the solenoids and the nute injector. It will stay cool in the soil, run drain to waste back into the ground and probably work great! Anyone have any comments or ideas to add?
 

zatoichi2

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Outdoors, remember to deal with rain!!! Covering containers, and what will accumulate in your holes/trenches. Ideal is both indoor and outdoor, timed properly for the climate of your area.

In our area, slugs are an epidemic, due to F-ed up climate. Have had many extreme bug populations, this year.
 

Trichy Bastard

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Outdoors, remember to deal with rain!!! Covering containers, and what will accumulate in your holes/trenches. Ideal is both indoor and outdoor, timed properly for the climate of your area.

In our area, slugs are an epidemic, due to F-ed up climate. Have had many extreme bug populations, this year.
Yes agreed, luckily I live in a particularly sunny spot where it only tends to rain heavily a few times a year. And the soil in my garden is particularly well draining, so I think it will be okay. All I can do is try and luckily it won't cost me too much to do so.
 

Mike Young

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Certainly wasn't trying to sound sensitive in my last post. I guess things get lost in translation. Anyway... Trichy, that pdf of the nute injector screams guerilla grow, lol. I have pondered one of these as well, but thought I could just make one. That thing looks like it wouldn't break the bank, and would save a lot of potential "dialing in time". HPA in the ground is probably something everyone has dreamed of trying. Props if you decide to take it on. At least you've got a helluva lot less critters in HI to deal with. If there was a place to do it... So... Grab that shovel you love so much, and remember that when the blisters pop, the skin underneath will be stronger. :)
 

dickkhead

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not sure if you guys are subd at my aa thread but I asked where I should place the 2 nozzles in the chamber any reccomendations?
 

Mike Young

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not sure if you guys are subd at my aa thread but I asked where I should place the 2 nozzles in the chamber any reccomendations?
I don't know how those things throw, but would think mid level pointing in at the ends of your chambers (long ways) would give the most even coverage. Perhaps offset a little. I'm not the pro at coverage as I'm still trying to figure it out myself. I know what makes sense, that doesn't always equate to perfect results.
 

Mike Young

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A microdos or something similar would be ideal, only downside is they`re pretty expensive.
Those roller pumps are pretty cool, as well as the line-up of controllers they have. I recently got a buddy started on doing some hydro in his greenhouse, and he's pretty into it. He's a software genius and is playing around with the arduino stuff now. I think if I can get him in as deep as I am, he'll be able to write some pretty sweet code. Have you built your own controllers? If so, how did it go?
 
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