No More Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthiest

[abandonconflict]

You can make fun of it all you want, but it's a fact. In this economy, supply can only be achieved by capital, and only the rich have that capital. On the other hand, like I've always contended, supply can only exist when there is demand. Unfortunately, because of greed and power (corporatism), the uber wealthy have monopolized the free market and in turn monopolized wages.

And the only way to combat crony capitalism, is to get government out of the free market.
Most people will tell you that the power of government to regulate will protect us from out of control capitalism, when the fact is, only the large corporations can operate under those regulations. This is precisely how all of our mom and pop stores are all but history. If you don't think that the federal government is in bed with the corporate conglomerates, government is surly doing it's job in brain washing you into believing them.

Hey Beenthere guess what

 

[beenthere]

LMAO Neither one of you two knuckle draggers have a fucking clue about what's going on.

The free market is what made America the greatest nation in history, corporatism (crony capitalism) has taken over the free markets, crony capitalism cannot exist without government, that is what defines the term you idiots, where the hell have you guys been, under a rock? LOL

Go look up the term crony capitalism, LOL then tell me how government will do away with it.

The baby and bathwater catch phrase is cute and funny, just like the cartoons, but it doesn't change the fact that the both of you are clueless on this subject.

 

[UncleBuck]

The free market is what made America the greatest nation in history...

we became a superpower after anti-trust laws.

crony capitalism cannot exist without government...

that's just LOL. dream on.

not a lot of substance in that rebuttal. i'll give you a pass and expect you to come out swinging tomorrow after you consult fox news and your magic hannity 8-ball.

class warfare, crony capitalism, free markets, burdensome regulation, taxed enough already, austerity, too much spending, solyndra, uncertainty, job creators, or socialism, which one will the magic hannity eight ball tell you to rail about next?

 

[beenthere]

The free market is what made America the greatest nation in history

we became a superpower after anti-trust laws.

A superpower Bucky, refers to the military capability of a country to defend itself, were on the subject of the free market and what made America the greatest economy in the world. LOL

crony capitalism cannot exist without government, that is what defines the term you idiots
.

that's just LOL. dream on.

Since you rely so much on wikipedia, I'll give their definition of Crony Capitalism.

"Crony capitalism is a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government."

Now explain how it exists without government, knucklehead!

not a lot of substance in that rebuttal. i'll give you a pass and expect you to come out swinging tomorrow after you consult fox news and your magic hannity 8-ball.

class warfare, crony capitalism, free markets, burdensome regulation, taxed enough already, austerity, too much spending, solyndra, uncertainty, job creators, or socialism, which one will the magic hannity eight ball tell you to rail about next?

That BS doesn't work on me fool, I rarely watch Fox News, never listen to talk radio either, but nice try.
It's no secret that most lefties use the same talking points when they can't put up a decent argument of their own.

Hey, how about that 25% tax you pay on that $28k income! LMAO

Good night rookie.

 

[MellowFarmer]

LMAO Neither one of you two knuckle draggers have a fucking clue about what's going on.

The free market is what made America the greatest nation in history, corporatism (crony capitalism) has taken over the free markets, crony capitalism cannot exist without government, that is what defines the term you idiots, where the hell have you guys been, under a rock? LOL

Go look up the term crony capitalism, LOL then tell me how government will do away with it.

The baby and bathwater catch phrase is cute and funny, just like the cartoons, but it doesn't change the fact that the both of you are clueless on this subject.

What makes folks only use Wikipedia? It is bad enough using just one source but to use one that isn't even regarded as a Source?
Yes, some sites say it is between Gov and Biz... some


crony capitalism
Definition
An economy that is nominally free-market, but allows for preferential regulation and other favorable government intervention based on personal relationships. In such a system, the false appearance of "pure" capitalism is publicly maintained to preserve the exclusive influence of well-connected individuals.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/crony-capitalism.html#ixzz1xqqaTyo1

 

[UncleBuck]

A superpower Bucky, refers to the military capability of a country to defend itself, were on the subject of the free market and what made America the greatest economy in the world. LOL

ok, so you want to reset the goal posts. OK. we can play that game.

before anti-trust laws, during the gilded age, we had one of the best rates of economic growth (if not the best, fuzzy on my history after some beer and bowls) in our nation's history. you're right.

by that metric, you'd have to say that china and india (and soon, brazil) have even better economies than we ever had. i mean, their rates of growth are explosive! it comes at a cost of workers dying on the line during heat waves and crossing unsafe bridges and passes, but oh well, right?

Since you rely so much on wikipedia, I'll give their definition of Crony Capitalism.

"Crony capitalism is a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government."

Now explain how it exists without government, knucklehead!

that's the sarah palin version of crony capitalism. here is the definition of cronyism, it is slightly more abstract, which will make it infinitely tougher for you to understand.

Cronyism is partiality to long-standing friends, especially by appointing them to positions of authority, regardless of their qualifications.

warren harding ring a bell? LOL!

cronyism is going to occur with or without government involved in the free market. we have two options therefore: 1) root out the corruption in government that allows for crony capitalism or 2) get government out of the market entirely, leaving a bunch of cronies to get away with whatever they can without consequence and simply trust that magical conservative pixie dust will prevent collusion, monopolies, price gauging, and the like.

i happen to believe that with a more informed electorate and more stringent regulation, we can prevent a lot of the corruption that leads to crony capitalism. but hey, that's just me. other people like to believe that wealthy, powerful, monied interests will act in everyone's best interests when left to their own devices. i find that naive as fuck, but some people actually believe it.

That BS doesn't work on me fool, I rarely watch Fox News, never listen to talk radio either, but nice try.
It's no secret that most lefties use the same talking points when they can't put up a decent argument of their own.

Hey, how about that 25% tax you pay on that $28k income! LMAO

Good night rookie.

my rookie grow didn't include bleached yellow sugar leaf like yours did

and i posted proof of that tax rate, which made you incredibly butthurt.

have fun masturbating to sarah palin again. i know how much it enthralls you to do so.

 

[UncleBuck]

What makes folks only use Wikipedia? It is bad enough using just one source but to use one that isn't even regarded as a Source?
Yes, some sites say it is between Gov and Biz... some


crony capitalism
Definition
An economy that is nominally free-market, but allows for preferential regulation and other favorable government intervention based on personal relationships. In such a system, the false appearance of "pure" capitalism is publicly maintained to preserve the exclusive influence of well-connected individuals.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/crony-capitalism.html#ixzz1xqqaTyo1

he is using the sarah palin version of crony capitalism.

we all know that palinistas went to wikipedia and tried to edit the history of paul revere and the american revolution to fit her retarded and incorrect version of history, they are simply doing the same here.

and beenthere is dumb enough to use her politically motivated, agenda driven definition to claim victory.

don't rely on sarah palin, that's just retarded.

 

[MellowFarmer]

A superpower Bucky, refers to the military capability of a country to defend itself, were on the subject of the free market and what made America the greatest economy in the world. LOL





Since you rely so much on wikipedia, I'll give their definition of Crony Capitalism.

"Crony capitalism is a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government."

Now explain how it exists without government, knucklehead!



That BS doesn't work on me fool, I rarely watch Fox News, never listen to talk radio either, but nice try.
It's no secret that most lefties use the same talking points when they can't put up a decent argument of their own.

Hey, how about that 25% tax you pay on that $28k income! LMAO

Good night rookie.

Where do you manage to find your misinformation then? OH all the other media outlets, Fixed News is just the most obvious for people who want to hear what they already believe and don't give a shit if it's opinion... take Cheney's insistence that every hotel room have Fixed News playing for him to enter the room.

The Sherman Anti Trust act was the first anti trust law in the USA in 1890... the USA did not become a Super Power until after that quite a few years. Do you know what an anti trust law is?

Again, not from Wiki..

West's Encyclopedia of American Law

ANTITRUST LAW

Legislation enacted by the federal and various state governments to regulate trade and commerce by preventing unlawful restraints, price-fixing, and monopolies, to promote competition, and to encourage the production of quality goods and services at the lowest prices, with the primary goal of safeguarding public welfare by ensuring that consumer demands will be met by the manufacture and sale of goods at reasonable prices.

Antitrust law seeks to make businesses compete fairly. It has had a serious effect on business practices and the organization of U.S. industry. Premised on the belief that free trade benefits the economy, businesses, and consumers alike, the law forbids several types of restraint of trade and monopolization. These fall into four main areas: agreements between competitors, contractual arrangements between sellers and buyers, the pursuit or maintenance of monopoly power, and mergers.

 

[Harrekin]

Lol, all the arguing over nothing. Lower the top marginal tax rate and give no deductions.

Infact for all monies earned regardless of who you are, flat tax with no deductions. If you really think the rich should pay more, this will yield more than the current system and be fair to all.

Earn $100 you pay $10, earn a mill you pay 100k.
How is that not fair?
And don't give me the "poor spend a higher proportion on essentials"...that's LEFTY BULLSHIT.

 

[MellowFarmer]

Lol, all the arguing over nothing. Lower the top marginal tax rate and give no deductions.

Infact for all monies earned regardless of who you are, flat tax with no deductions. If you really think the rich should pay more, this will yield more than the current system and be fair to all.

Earn $100 you pay $10, earn a mill you pay 100k.
How is that not fair?
And don't give me the "poor spend a higher proportion on essentials"...that's LEFTY BULLSHIT.

Poor people do spend mostly on essentials and they don't consider Jets to be essential.. that being said, I have always wondered what people find so unfair about the Fair Tax.

 

[Harrekin]

Poor people do spend mostly on essentials and they don't consider Jets to be essential.. that being said, I have always wondered what people find so unfair about the Fair Tax.

Fair Tax is essentially VAT right? You'll have that eventually on top of your current system, wait and see.

Gotta pay for those Gov programmes!

 

[MellowFarmer]

Fair Tax is essentially VAT right? You'll have that eventually on top of your current system, wait and see.

Gotta pay for those Gov programmes!

What is VAT? I meant a straight percentage taxed to everyone, no loopholes, nada... like we all pay 10%? The Fair Tax.

 

[NoDrama]

Poor people do spend mostly on essentials and they don't consider Jets to be essential.. that being said, I have always wondered what people find so unfair about the Fair Tax.

What many people find wrong with the fair tax is that it doesn't punish rich people enough. Lots of folks out there who think wealthy people don't deserve what they got, they figure if you can afford a $100 steak that you should be taxed 99% so you can only afford hamburger like the rest of us.

 

[MellowFarmer]

I think what folks don't get is percentages period. Ten percent of a person's income who eats $100 steaks is going to be likely more than most folks make a year! I do propose no more property tax to be replaced with luxury property tax
i.e more than one house or car or jet

 

[canndo]

Hey bro, if my quote above doesn't answer your question, I don't know what will. I'm not sure what part of "neither supply nor demand gives us jobs" you can't grasp!

The principle difference between you and I is, I believe supply cannot flourish without demand, you seem to assume that demand is capable on it's own.

Supply does not and cannot create demand. Demand will invariably create supply. I'm surprised you can't see this.

 

[NoDrama]

we became a superpower after anti-trust laws.

So to become a superpower all a country needs to do is enact anti-trust laws?

 

[canndo]

You are wrong again.
In a free market economy, supply is as dependent on demand, as demand is on supply. A perfect balance between the two creates a thriving economy. You are forgetting the fact that Pepsi is still a supplier, if Coke isn't available, Pepsi can and will monopolize the market, prices will skyrocket because of the lack of competitive suppliers, before long, Pepsi's gross sales will plummet and they will have priced themselves out of the market. Now, when Pepsi follows Coke and is no longer available, another "supplier" will step in and fill that market because demand alone cannot.

That's the beauty of the free market, competition keeps the relative market price in check, therefore keeping the balance of optimum sales and profits.

That's nice Beenthere but it doesn't address the absolute. Supply without demand is nothing and will likely remain nothing. I have a supply of rocks in my back yard - so long as there is no demand for my rocks, they will likely stay in my back yard (that is unless there comes a demand for property without rocks on it).

Not so with demand. We currently see a demand for methods of getting high. Companies are responding to that demand, if it cannot be satisfied with marijuana, with other cannibinoids. It is highly likely that if marijuana were in ample supply everywhere the supply of artificial cannibiniods would not generate further demand.

Now, can you show us where without manipulation, supply generates demand?

 

[canndo]

You can make fun of it all you want, but it's a fact. In this economy, supply can only be achieved by capital, and only the rich have that capital. On the other hand, like I've always contended, supply can only exist when there is demand. Unfortunately, because of greed and power (corporatism), the uber wealthy have monopolized the free market and in turn monopolized wages.

And the only way to combat crony capitalism, is to get government out of the free market.
Most people will tell you that the power of government to regulate will protect us from out of control capitalism, when the fact is, only the large corporations can operate under those regulations. This is precisely how all of our mom and pop stores are all but history. If you don't think that the federal government is in bed with the corporate conglomerates, government is surly doing it's job in brain washing you into believing them.

What? I see you are beginning to reach instead of accepting facts here. Even now, it isn't only "the rich" that provide capitalization, Many with lesser means can, have and will come together to provide that capitalization, especially if there are no rich - again, a case where demand creates supply. When only the rich have capital, then our society will be converted to serfs and vassels, where the majority have no capital and no money with which to purchase goods. Seems like you are darting all over the place here in order to avoid the obvious.

 

[canndo]

LMAO Neither one of you two knuckle draggers have a fucking clue about what's going on.

The free market is what made America the greatest nation in history, corporatism (crony capitalism) has taken over the free markets, crony capitalism cannot exist without government, that is what defines the term you idiots, where the hell have you guys been, under a rock? LOL

Go look up the term crony capitalism, LOL then tell me how government will do away with it.

The baby and bathwater catch phrase is cute and funny, just like the cartoons, but it doesn't change the fact that the both of you are clueless on this subject.

Here is where it gets frightening for people like me, it seems Beenthere that you actually believe this. The free market is not what made America the greatest nation in history". What did so was an establishment of egalatairan order by way of a Democratic/Representative/constitutional form of government. Along with plentiful resources and a certain isolationism that let it all incubate. It was this environment that fostered the success of a free marketplace. The free market did not spawn our form of government, there is nothing establishing our economic system in our founding documents. There is nothing about corporations, free choice, or guarantees of business or business practices anywhere within. To presume such things is abhorant to anyone who understands the basis of our current system.

 

[canndo]

he is using the sarah palin version of crony capitalism.

we all know that palinistas went to wikipedia and tried to edit the history of paul revere and the american revolution to fit her retarded and incorrect version of history, they are simply doing the same here.

and beenthere is dumb enough to use her politically motivated, agenda driven definition to claim victory.

don't rely on sarah palin, that's just retarded.

What? you mean the vernerable silversmith didn't warn the British that no one was going to take away our arms?


(in reality, she was actually sort of correct)