No More Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthiest

ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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abandonconflict said:
I have seen all of the studies out there at one point or another, I keep up with that kind of thing. I also don't agree with big pharm being the only source of medicine and that all other sources are "atlernative" or "pseudo" and I think if they really cared about the effects of cannabis, even on toddlers, they would not give kids some of the SSRIs and ritalin and some of the other legal medicines that can be toxic. Indian herbal medicine has been practiced for millenia, so all of the information is well known. It is also much more effective than you probably think. Try neem leaf pills next time you have a bacterial infection, it is better than risking the creation of superbugs. If you trust Western Medicine blindly you are in for trouble, capitalism thrives on disease. I'll take the alternative.
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abandonconflict said:
You won't find a study that NIDA didn't falsify to keep Big Pharm exploiting you.
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right ok thank you but i dont consider your conpiracy theories or your alternative "medicine" to be remotely credible
 
abandonconflict

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Basically, what I am saying is, that I can't debate the argument purely rationally, so I don't really want to go with it and I don't think mellowfarmer should either. The established doctrine is directly counter to our pot head beliefs, so we are trying to get balanced research. You win by citing the studies, but the studies don't really mean shit until the bias is removed. We are still begging for honest research. Win this argument at your own peril.

Cannabis is a multimolecule medicine with affinity for multiple receptors. It will not be patented unless a company like Monsanto can genetically engineer it. There are some ongoing studies currently. Chemotherapy (oxymoron) is a much more profitable cancer medicine.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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abandonconflict said:
Basically, what I am saying is, that I can't debate the argument purely rationally, so I don't really want to go with it and I don't think mellowfarmer should either. The established doctrine is directly counter to our pot head beliefs, so we are trying to get balanced research. You win by citing the studies, but the studies don't really mean shit until the bias is removed. We are still begging for honest research. Win this argument at your own peril.

Cannabis is a multimolecule medicine with affinity for multiple receptors. It will not be patented unless a company like Monsanto can genetically engineer it. There are some ongoing studies currently. Chemotherapy (oxymoron) is a much more profitable cancer medicine.
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yeah yeah yeah they'll be depopulating us soon with chem trails and morgellons right?
 
Cali chronic

Cali chronic

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Off subject but hopping in here as someone goffs at natural healing and sucks big Pharm cock please read on with some FACTS! I know, it is funner to tell someone their aluminum hat is oxidizing and they need to change it but....please do yourself a favor....History Re-Write: Cancer Cure Announced in 2008 Has Resulted in Near Eradication of the Disease http://lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi222.html
 
abandonconflict

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cannabineer said:
But the medical consumer doesn't interact with Pfizer etc. The portal of care is the doctor. find one whom you trust, not based on ideology but on competence. My opinion. cn
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You would be surprised how much control Big Pharma (not just pfizer) has over the curriculum from every angle. They have lobbies, they have real power. Most doctors are basically drug reps. Healthcare is a for-profit-business. 90%+ of all visits (even ER) include a prescription. This is the sector of market where supply creates demand. Pfizer doesn't have a monopoly, but pharm is the most profitable industry. Of course I sound like a conspiracy theorist for even questioning that I should just shut up and take my pills.
 
abandonconflict

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Take this as personal advice from one pot head to another, it is beneficial to your health if you dry and cure your buds properly. Take it or leave it.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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abandonconflict said:
You would be surprised how much control Big Pharma (not just pfizer) has over the curriculum from every angle. They have lobbies, they have real power. Most doctors are basically drug reps. Healthcare is a for-profit-business. 90%+ of all visits (even ER) include a prescription. This is the sector of market where supply creates demand. Pfizer doesn't have a monopoly, but pharm is the most profitable industry. Of course I sound like a conspiracy theorist for even questioning that I should just shut up and take my pills.
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I believe, like any other enterprise in this country, pharma look out for #1. However to categorically tar the western medical establishment with the brush of sinister motive is tossing out the baby with the bathwater. In my humble onion. ~grin~ cn
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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abandonconflict said:
Why don't you smoke a freshly cut flower and get your own evidence. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or a charlatan. Like I said, take it or leave it.
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yes you are whether you believe it or not and while your not a charleton your rant's about big pharma if listened to could contribute to someone giving up their care to goto a charleton

people like you do real harm
 
abandonconflict

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cannabineer said:
I believe, like any other enterprise in this country, pharma look out for #1. However to categorically tar the western medical establishment with the brush of sinister motive is tossing out the baby with the bathwater. In my humble onion. ~grin~ cn
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Advances have been made, but we aren't supposed to talk about a few things. That is what we accept long before medical school. Western medicine is a success overall, statistically and as far as bringing supply to the impoverished which I praise. It lies about cannabis though. A lot of doctors are still afraid to prescribe cannabis.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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abandonconflict said:
Advances have been made, but we aren't supposed to talk about a few things. That is what we accept long before medical school. Western medicine is a success overall, statistically and as far as bringing supply to the impoverished which I praise. It lies about cannabis though.
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When I had a career within the med. establishment, i did not encounter the not-supposed-to taboos. Everything was fair game. Of course, I was at the research&discovery end of things. Do not allow a few corrupt silk-suit cronies spoil the entire category, I ask you. Too much honest work went into both the meds and the practitioners. cn
 
Harrekin

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Don't bad talk Pfizer, they're an American firm who manufacture their high profit drugs here in Ireland, don't take our jobs away!

They also only pay a marginal 12.5% corporation tax rate :D
 
abandonconflict

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cannabineer said:
When I had a career within the med. establishment, i did not encounter the not-supposed-to taboos. Everything was fair game. Of course, I was at the research&discovery end of things. Do not allow a few corrupt silk-suit cronies spoil the entire category, I ask you. Too much honest work went into both the meds and the practitioners. cn
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I'm trying as much as possible to just be open minded, it is traumatic the first time you know the establishment is lying to you. It makes you distrust everything, I'm extremely critical of everything but if the only guide to proper use of cannabis is thousands of years old, so be it. At least it has thousands of years of practice to go with it. I agree that it is greed, and not a widespread sinister conspiracy directing some bad decisions, hence, I do not believe I am a conspiracy theorist.

Ginjawarrior, you seem intent on ad hominem to disprove what I have already admitted I cannot defend pragmatically. I'm the one telling you to take what I say with a grain of salt, don't get mad because I am also saying take conventional wisdom with a grain of salt as well. In fact I never really directed myself toward you, except when I said it is beneficial to dry and cure properly, this advice is sourced from the Ayurveda, so take it or leave it.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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abandonconflict said:
I'm trying as much as possible to just be open minded, it is traumatic the first time you know the establishment is lying to you. It makes you distrust everything, I'm extremely critical of everything but if the only guide to proper use of cannabis is thousands of years old, so be it. At least it has thousands of years of practice to go with it. I agree that it is greed, and not a widespread sinister conspiracy directing some bad decisions, hence, I do not believe I am a conspiracy theorist.

Ginjawarrior, you seem intent on ad hominem to disprove what I have already admitted I cannot defend pragmatically. I'm the one telling you to take what I say with a grain of salt, don't get mad because I am also saying take conventional wisdom with a grain of salt as well. In fact I never really directed myself toward you, except when I said it is beneficial to dry and cure properly, this advice is sourced from the Ayurveda, so take it or leave it.
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"take it or leave it" is a staple of people pushing these beliefs

http://whatstheharm.net/
 
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