Drug test for welfare

[Gastanker]

Indeed, for it is the pennies that are bankrupting this nation, not the trillions given to the banks, and the poor must not be allowed to enjoy their lives, in fact we need guards at local public parks to keep out people without a certificate of employment, because they could be out looking for jobs, instead of goofing off taking their kids to the park... let them watch Elmo, and let the parents trudge off to slave in the mines and wipe their asses with their Ivy League educations. No fun for the poor. Being poor should mean joylessness, misery, and self-loathing.
[/B]

You talk about being poor like it's a forced title. You realize that if you don't want to be poor you don't have too... He could get a second job and save instead of being poor... Most people that get rich had to go through a shitty shitty not fun time to get there.

 

[RyanTheRhino]

SS=federal Unemployment=state

social security is only for disabled and old people. unless you meant something else by ss

 

[Gastanker]

He does not understand that farmers get billions is handouts but they are somehow different from food stamps.

And what does this have to do with farmers?

 

[dvs1038]

Dude ur german and ur actually talkin bout our social programs, why don't you mention that lil program they tried out in 2001 called heroin-prescription trial where they had addicts come in to receive daily injections of heroin.

 

[neosapien]

Oh god... You know SS is drying up right? Yikes... Would you have more money if you didn't buy pot?

You must have a strong grip on good economic principles.

Not sure where you're going with this. I posted that I collect unemployment and why drug tests would ruin my life. Then you proceeded to post poking fun at my livelihood and whatnot. I don't know. Good night.

 

[Corso312]

It's based on how much you once earned but does not correlate to how much you've paid in. You can take out MUCH MUCH more than you've paid in.

and vice versa...I have paid in for 7 years straight before I collected a check..and there is a waiting week so I only got 3 total checks for paying in 7 straight years and got a job with another outfit..but that is how it works..when you are working you don't sweat it..the guys that are laid off are using it and would gladly take your 40 hour check and job if they could..it is a you scratch my back n I scratch yours.

 

[RyanTheRhino]

He does not understand that farmers get billions is handouts but they are somehow different from food stamps.

I have no problem giving farmers subsidies. They feed the world. You wouldn't be complaining about politics if you were starving.

 

[purklize]

Indeed, for it is the pennies that are bankrupting this nation, not the trillions given to the banks, and the poor must not be allowed to enjoy their lives, in fact we need guards at local public parks to keep people out who lack a certificate of employment, because they could be out looking for jobs, instead of goofing off taking their kids to the park... let them watch Elmo, and let the parents trudge off to slave in the mines and wipe their asses with their Ivy League educations. No fun for the poor! Being poor should mean misery, deprivation, and self-loathing. Every smile you see is proof they could be working harder, they could live with less. Take away their TVs and phones, sell their books on the sidewalk. Drive their wages into the ground, and hire cops to beat back the protests. Nutrition is a luxury, so let them eat cake, a cake baked from stale flour.

You talk about being poor like it's a forced title. You realize that if you don't want to be poor you don't have too... He could get a second job and save instead of being poor... Most people that get rich had to go through a shitty shitty not fun time to get there.

So the reason half of Americans are poor these days is because they're lazy?

What if you can't work two jobs because of health problems or children?

What if those two full time jobs only bring your income up to $30k, and you live in the city and have kids to look after? Or a sick parent or spouse? Or you yourself get sick and sink under the weight of $200k in medical debt because your job didn't offer insurance?

And what if you can't find two jobs, even when you will take anything? McDonald's did a big hiring campaign recently, and only 6% of those who applied were offered a job. That's less than Harvard's admission rate.

 

[Gastanker]

So the reason half of Americans are poor these days is because they're lazy?
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If you plan to sit around for three months collecting benefits once a year for the rest of your life... yes. Sorry.

 

[purklize]

You aren't answering the question, you just keep changing the subject to political talking points. Are half of Americans poor because they're lazy? And no, it is not the case that half of Americans are seasonal workers.

 

[neosapien]

If you plan to sit around for three months collecting benefits once a year for the rest of your life... yes. Sorry.

I work harder in 9 months than most people do in 2 years. No sarcasm. I don't comprehend your differentiating between my situation of losing my job due to lack of work and someone else's situation that uses it as a "safety net". This isn't a summer job of me smoking pot and acting a fool. It's my career of 10+ years. I qualify for the benefits. Where's the beef?

 

[Red1966]

social security is only for disabled and old people. unless you meant something else by ss

Just pointing out they come from different governments. You can get SS if your parent(s) are on it, you're a dependent of them, and a minor.

 

[Red1966]

I work harder in 9 months than most people do in 2 years. No sarcasm. I don't comprehend your differentiating between my situation of losing my job due to lack of work and someone else's situation that uses it as a "safety net". This isn't a summer job of me smoking pot and acting a fool. It's my career of 10+ years. I qualify for the benefits. Where's the beef?

You could point out that employers of seasonal workers also pay substantially more in to the system than other employers, also.

 

[UncleBuck]

You talk about being poor like it's a forced title. You realize that if you don't want to be poor you don't have too... He could get a second job and save instead of being poor... Most people that get rich had to go through a shitty shitty not fun time to get there.

not really.

wealth is often inherited, married into, or earned dishonestly.

 

[Gastanker]

I work harder in 9 months than most people do in 2 years. No sarcasm. I don't comprehend your differentiating between my situation of losing my job due to lack of work and someone else's situation that uses it as a "safety net". This isn't a summer job of me smoking pot and acting a fool. It's my career of 10+ years. I qualify for the benefits. Where's the beef?

Apparently it doesn't support your lifestyle... You earn two years worth of income in 9 months and need to rely on handouts? And you've been doing this for 10 years? And haven't saved a dime? I hate to pick on you but this is bad practice. It's an abuse of the system. Do you look for work during your 3 month break? Perhaps consider a different profession?

 

[purklize]

Gastanker, only specialized work pays well, and that accounts for a small percentage of jobs out there. We can't have 300 million doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs and scientists. Most people are just going to have to do unskilled labor, it's just how it is. "Switch careers" may be a solution for an individual but it is not for a society.

No matter how much you want a job, if it doesn't exist, you won't get it. There's not enough specialized jobs to go around, not even close.

 

[Gastanker]

Gastanker, only specialized work pays well, and that accounts for a small percentage of jobs out there. We can't have 300 million doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs and scientists. Most people are just going to have to do unskilled labor, it's just how it is. "Switch careers" may be a solution for an individual but it is not for a society.

No matter how much you want a job, if it doesn't exist, you won't get it. There's not enough specialized jobs to go around, not even close.

This is not true at all. For one anyone can be an entrepreneur and you don't need to be a doctor or lawyer to not be poor - that's absurd. Damn, how much money do you burn through a year? I can live happily on 25k, very comfortably on 35k, pretty well off at 45k... 45 a year is less than my garbage man makes, less than my UPS delivery man makes, less than many plumbers make...

According to the BLS, the average earnings for full-time federal government employees was $74,403. Doesn't take a whole lot to get a government job... Annual mean for state workers in CA is $52k.

 

[purklize]

There are only enough full time jobs for around 50% of Americans...

There is something called an unemployment rate... it means that there are fewer jobs than there are job seekers... so there is a substantial percentage of people out there without work, living in poverty, who do not shoulder the blame...

Sure, plumbers can make reasonable money. But can we have a nation of specialists? No. They only represent a small percentage of job openings in the country. The fundamental tendency of capitalism is to reduce more and more jobs to unskilled labor, as it increases competition among workers, driving down wages and pushing up profits.

Yeah, you might be able to live comfortably on 25-45k. But try doing that in an expensive area, with a stay at home mom raising two kids, while saving money for their college tuition, setting money aside for retirement, taking the occasional family vacation, maintaining one or two cars and paying for all the gas (can easily hit 1000/mo for two cars), paying a mortgage, property taxes, etc...

 

[ANC]

I'm not going to debate the angles discussed upto here.

I would like to propose another consequence, if not the main hidden intent.

The combating of the medical cannibas phenomenon. Disabled people would not be able to choose welfare and cannabis.

So much for freedom of choice.

 

[ANC]

not really.

wealth is often inherited, married into, or earned dishonestly.

I have read that 70% of wealth is inherited.

I damn well know my life would be a nightmare without what my parents provided for me in adult life.