Fedral judge lol's at Obama Florida voter purge is legal

ChesusRice

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The problem? A recent study by the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice found just seven cases of voter fraud out of three million votes cast in Wisconsin during the 2004 election, a fraud rate of 0.0002 percent. All seven of these cases involved persons with felony convictions who weren’t eligible to vote after being released from prison.
 

UncleBuck

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I don't know what else to say to ya man. I believe there is voter fraud that would be severely curtailed by requiring ID

unconstitutional de fact poll taxes would curtail more legitimate voting than voter fraud. that is demonstrable fact. you are transparent as all fuck.
 

ChesusRice

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Fortunately, those responsible got caught. Yesterday, a jury convicted the Republican ringleader.

Paul E. Schurick, the 2010 campaign manager for former Maryland governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., was convicted Tuesday by a Baltimore jury of four counts stemming from a robocall that prosecutors said was intended to suppress the black vote.The call, which Schurick acknowledged authorizing, was placed on Election Day to 112,000 voters in Baltimore and Prince George’s County, the state’s two largest majority-African American jurisdictions. Recipients were told by an unidentified woman that they could “relax” because Gov. Martin O’Malley (D) had been successful.
 

ChesusRice

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Let's take a quick tour of the voter-suppression activities under way across the nation.
In the past year, 19 new laws and two executive orders were issued in 14 states to create stricter voter identification requirements. These measures were supported and passed largely by Republicans after gaining control of state legislatures and governors' offices in 2010. Their aim is to constrict the electorate for 2012 and beyond.
Voter-suppression efforts take one of two complementary forms: restricting ballot access by enacting new or stronger identification requirements for voters to register, and limiting the time window during which voters can register, such as eliminating same-day registration and voting.
In either form, ballot restrictions disproportionately disfranchise poorer and nonwhite voters, as well as senior citizens and college-age students. How do we know this? A report by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice showed that an estimated 11 percent of Americans lack a government-issued photo identification with a current, accurate address. But the shares of Americans in the groups mentioned above who lack an ID are higher.
Younger, poorer and nonwhite voters lean overwhelmingly Democratic, of course. And although Republicans generally fare well among seniors — they were the only age cohort John McCain carried over Barack Obama in 2008 — many of the seniors lacking proper identification are poor, urban minorities also unlikely to support the GOP.
One need not summon Sherlock Holmes to explain why Republicans, losers of the popular vote in four of the past five presidential elections, have a greater vested interest in ballot restriction measures: Constricting the electorate improves their electoral fortunes. Like gerrymandering, voter identification is an attempt by strategic politicians to pick their voters, rather than the other way around. In effect, Republicans are admitting they're not sure they can win elections by offering better policies or stronger leadership.
The key organization behind the voter identification movement is the American Legislative Exchange Council. ALEC and its defenders claim they are vigilant "small-d" democrats fighting the plague of voter fraud. When pressed to cite actual examples of ineligible persons voting illegally, however, they cite only a few, isolated cases of fraud. "Voter impersonation is an illusion," says Brennan Center executive director Michael Waldman.
 

ChesusRice

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it's a de facto poll tax.

how much does an ID cost in your state? here they cost $56 and are a headache to obtain.

you hate the constitution.
You also need supporting documents
My grandmother cannot get her birth certificate
It is more trouble for her than it is worth
So she wont vote this year
She has lived here for 90 years
 

RyanTheRhino

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You also need supporting documents
My grandmother cannot get her birth certificate
It is more trouble for her than it is worth
So she wont vote this year
She has lived here for 90 years
so your telling me your mother has been a us citizen for 90 years and never owned an ID? all she has to do is renew it which can be done via mail. And anyone older then 65 the license dose not expire.

And you don't need a birth certificate if you have a SS number. Oh wait illegal immigrants don't have one of those.
 

ginwilly

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unconstitutional de fact poll taxes would curtail more legitimate voting than voter fraud. that is demonstrable fact. you are transparent as all fuck.
I'm taking this like you are having fun and just poking me with a stick. I'll expect the same and you and I can have some good debates. I'm usually not in a mood to roll in the mud with ya though.

you can look through my posts and you'll see that I said we should pay for the first ID so there is no fee. I also pointed out that your ID doesn't cost over 50 bucks if we pay for it because most of that fee is taxes, the actual card and process couldn't cost much.

you are arguing with air about your tax that is not a tax
 

ChesusRice

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so your telling me your mother has been a us citizen for 90 years and never owned an ID? all she has to do is renew it which can be done via mail. And anyone older then 65 the license dose not expire.

And you don't need a birth certificate if you have a SS number. Oh wait illegal immigrants don't have one of those.
My grandmother was born in port arthur texas
They actually list her as a boy
She has a ss number and she has a drivers license that is expired for the last 30 years and doesnt even have a picture
Supporting documents have to include a birth certificate in order for that to happen
She needs to rectify the mistake the hospital made in the paperwork 90 years ago
In order for that to happen she needs to go to court in texas
So yeah it would cost a lot of time and money for my grandmother to vote
Although if she had a conceal carry license
She could use that
According to our new voter ID law

Funny
you can use a conceal carry id to vote
but not a college student ID
 

ginwilly

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You guys are acting like I have a third eye because because I think we should have to prove we are who we say we are. I believe the right will use this to their advantage if they can and make it more difficult than it should be to obtain one. I believe the left will panic realizing if the right accomplishes their evil plans then you are fucked and in typical knee-jerk fashion start whining and pointing fingers instead of using common sense (right is guilty too) and solving this.

Issue an approved ID if the eligible person never has had one. I don't care if you are a Harvard grad, if you have never been issued an ID that's approved to vote then the first one is on us.

If charities want to run buses to make sure everyone who wants to go, can, that makes me happy. I think we should have more mobile voting booths hitting all of the nursing homes and such.


Now...... what's your problem with IDs?
 

RyanTheRhino

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My grandmother was born in port arthur texas
They actually list her as a boy
She has a ss number and she has a drivers license that is expired for the last 30 years and doesnt even have a picture
Supporting documents have to include a birth certificate in order for that to happen
She needs to rectify the mistake the hospital made in the paperwork 90 years ago
In order for that to happen she needs to go to court in texas
So yeah it would cost a lot of time and money for my grandmother to vote
Although if she had a conceal carry license
She could use that
According to our new voter ID law

Funny
you can use a conceal carry id to vote
but not a college student ID
nope just your ss # and a check in the mail.

lol. a college ID is not a government ID... So all the foreign exchange students should be able to vote just because they go to college here.
 

ChesusRice

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so your telling me your mother has been a us citizen for 90 years and never owned an ID? all she has to do is renew it which can be done via mail. And anyone older then 65 the license dose not expire.

And you don't need a birth certificate if you have a SS number. Oh wait illegal immigrants don't have one of those.
state by state

In my state you have to renew every 2 years after age 65 and pass a test
 

ChesusRice

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that's for a diver licenses I meant to say ID, but still.
State Id requirements are the same as for a drivers license sans the test and renewing every 2 years
So back to square one
how is she gonna get her birth certificate changed from boy to girl?

Oh and BTW

You can use a student ID to get a concealed carry permit
 

Toorop

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Churches are allowed to require ID if they want to, it's entirely up to them.
Why doesn't the government demand that all churchgoers be IDed? Perhaps instead of a polling judge, they could put a government agent there to ensure that all worshippers and attendees at the church are there and not committing worship fraud or other crimes. I think if we can do it for civil rights such as voting, then surely we can for church. And for purchasing a book and newspaper. And perhaps to use the internet as well. Wouldn't you agree desert dude?
 

Mr Neutron

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Why doesn't the government demand that all churchgoers be IDed? Perhaps instead of a polling judge, they could put a government agent there to ensure that all worshippers and attendees at the church are there and not committing worship fraud or other crimes. I think if we can do it for civil rights such as voting, then surely we can for church. And for purchasing a book and newspaper. And perhaps to use the internet as well. Wouldn't you agree desert dude?
Is this better?

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