If money isn't an option what would you get....
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Hooked on Ponics
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Do you have a pic of the light you own yourself? Or are you just talking about something you know nothing about?
If you never owned this light, but recommended it to someone, as you are, and they bought it, and it just so happens to be a no go, what do you have to say to that person that spent some hundreds on a light that failed, and they bought it because of you?
If you never owned this light, but recommended it to someone, as you are, and they bought it, and it just so happens to be a no go, what do you have to say to that person that spent some hundreds on a light that failed, and they bought it because of you?
OGEvilgenius
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I think you should investigate vertical growing before you ditch the HPS lighting (if used efficiently of course.. vertically, I believe it is a more efficient method than using LEDs in terms of power consumed relative yield).
You ain't never hitting 3gpw hanging bulbs horizontally. Yet Heath came very close to that in an old colleseum grow he did going all out. When he's slacking, not using CO2, not using aero (instead his high performance hydro setups) he still hits 2gpw quite often.
Worth investigation if money isn't an issue especially. There are some decent prebuilt setups if you are not particularly handy yourself. Alternately you can just grow mini trees... I did that in 4x4 tents and yielded over a 1.5lb (minus smalls which would have been larger in a bigger tent with a little more space for your canopy relative the light). This was without CO2, growing from seed, 9 different plants, all with different nutrient preferences where I screwed up and burned them with excess Nitrogen having not grown them before and not knowing exactly what to expect.
I fully expect to increase that yield significantly this fall (per watt).
LEDs are inherently inefficient due to their projective nature IMO. They are not designed in the same way where light shoots out evenly from all angles like HIDs. That HID design is a huge advantage in terms of space and overall efficiency, despite popular misconceptions, IMO. You could do vertical with LEDs but you wouldn't be getting 600w of power from all sides as those panels are quite large and would never fit into the same area therefore allowing the space maximization. Granted with a large room you could do this, but the fact you are running 4 (minimum) panels vs 1 HID pretty much makes that idea stupid IMO.
You ain't never hitting 3gpw hanging bulbs horizontally. Yet Heath came very close to that in an old colleseum grow he did going all out. When he's slacking, not using CO2, not using aero (instead his high performance hydro setups) he still hits 2gpw quite often.
Worth investigation if money isn't an issue especially. There are some decent prebuilt setups if you are not particularly handy yourself. Alternately you can just grow mini trees... I did that in 4x4 tents and yielded over a 1.5lb (minus smalls which would have been larger in a bigger tent with a little more space for your canopy relative the light). This was without CO2, growing from seed, 9 different plants, all with different nutrient preferences where I screwed up and burned them with excess Nitrogen having not grown them before and not knowing exactly what to expect.
I fully expect to increase that yield significantly this fall (per watt).
LEDs are inherently inefficient due to their projective nature IMO. They are not designed in the same way where light shoots out evenly from all angles like HIDs. That HID design is a huge advantage in terms of space and overall efficiency, despite popular misconceptions, IMO. You could do vertical with LEDs but you wouldn't be getting 600w of power from all sides as those panels are quite large and would never fit into the same area therefore allowing the space maximization. Granted with a large room you could do this, but the fact you are running 4 (minimum) panels vs 1 HID pretty much makes that idea stupid IMO.
Hooked on Ponics
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Still no one knows what one of these things looks like even, can we see a picture?
Understand, people with 1 or 2 posts boasting new LED companies always turn out to be Chinese resellers, and disappear as fast as they showed up a couple weeks earlier.
Let's see a pic dude.
Understand, people with 1 or 2 posts boasting new LED companies always turn out to be Chinese resellers, and disappear as fast as they showed up a couple weeks earlier.
Let's see a pic dude.
Endur0xX
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Stadium grow is a lot of work, not for everyone. As far as using hps/mh the traditional way, LEDs are more efficient, I am seeing it with my own eyes, currently using less power growing more buds.
PSUAGRO.
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I also like the rhinogrow design......but I've seen zero grows with it/lot of money to spend on a leap of faith....i will say though a remote ballast is a huge plus/mine is just running 56w of leds and it is HOT, not having it within the led enclosure is a great feature IMO.....
puffenuff
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I'd love to see someone try out one of the rhinogrows. Im also wondering what wattage each led is capable of and driven at. Some other leds made in the states are california lightworks, apache tech, and lumigrow. Buying locally and supporting american products in general is something I wish more people did.
newworldicon
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Relax in my thread please, he has a right to an opinion.
newworldicon
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No offense bro but I've tried every method under the sun and then some including building my own aero systems. This is not about heat or grms per watt or even knocking a few hundred watts off the tally, I'm looking to reduce my consumption of electricity from 3000W all in, fans pumps etc. etc. down to half or less than that.
When you have a pheno that produces heavy you can work your system around that which I am luckily able to do now.
Thanks for the input though..
newworldicon
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I like the look of the rhino and the external ballast is either a plus on heat or a pain to store especially in tents, I like the look and design of it but I am always sceptical of a website that has very little info on all the specs, by now these guys know they need to lay bare the details...makes me wonder..
OGEvilgenius
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I agree, if you are growing traditionally. However I see very little reason to ever do that and especially see no reason for this guy to do it. I can see it being reasonable if you have a really tight space, although I would be tempted to try t5's vertically first personally
. I grew 9 plants vegged from seed for about 6 total weeks and did what I did. From clone it would have been less veg and more uniform canopy, just put em in largeish pots and let em go. 1 600w hung vertically.Not trying to hate on LEDs, the idea is a good one and I believe there is probably some truth that they produce better quality (more UV and well rounded spectrum), but you can supplement HIDs with the spectrums they are missing.
OGEvilgenius
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Fair enough, although I'm not sure what your reasoning is really. I get wanting to cut costs, any particular reason? Seems like extra yield can make up for those costs (and then some). Lowering your footprint? I'd argue you can run half the lights, run your fans less (there are less heat issues with vertically hung bulbs as heat rises and isn't trapped by the reflector) and get the same yield you are now if you get it dialed in, but to each their own. I think you're just about to waste a huge chunk of cash for no logical reason. You will probably get some frostier buds than what you are getting now.
Good luck with whatever decision you make.
OGEvilgenius
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Just to follow up on what I said before you make any decisions (because what I'm trying to say to you is that it is more cost effective to grow vertically as you can do much more with a lot less, no AC for my run last spring, Heath doesn't use AC either, just a lot of air exchange)... 47 oz from 1 600w light... check this thread out.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical.html
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical.html
newworldicon
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I've seen Heaths work, the point in all of this is that I have 4x aero systems that are 2.5x2.5 and take 9 clones that finish 1.5ft max under each 600W. This amount of light is great but undeniably more than I need for the footprint. I cant really lower my fans electricity consumption as they have no dials to do so. I am not prepared to buy a controller for that either. Bottom line is I can successfully half my electricity consumption by going high quality +/-300W LED's and get the same yield, better quality and overall healthier plants right the way through.
It is relevant to point out that I have a pro grow 550W drawing a real 420W at the socket that has proven this fact many times over in the 5th flowering room, same system, same space, venting etc. and clones as the hps....a constant yield of around 11-12oz dry but as mentioned, better health, same yield, denser more attractive colas.
I try to produce large dense colas for maximum bag appeal notwithstanding quality..
newworldicon
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Yes, I have seen them. Nice looking and good quality components, my only qualm would be I sent an email to him regarding 4 panels but never got a response. You would think that would be a nice sale but hey..
I'd also like to see a grow under them before making any more judgements..
PSUAGRO.
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well digi has run some grows with those PP panels.......have you looked at evo v4 star light panels quite unique in the industry....top of the line diodes(modular/spectrum changeable) and mean well remote drivers.......Mrx famous grows were done with the v3 panels, he got over 2gpw......
newworldicon
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Please send a link to the photonics panels if you dont mind, as for the spanish leds, yep they look great but I just can't seem to ever find a seller, their website does not sell them, well from where I can see..
jubiare
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This is a grow with the plantphotonics panel done by a noob at his second grow... here on RIU (budbaby his name or something like that)... this is a pic I have the guy kind of disappeared all of a sudden hope he is all sound ... he seemed very legit and he was growing monsters and pulling over 12 oz
This is a grow with the plantphotonics panel done by a noob at his second grow... here on RIU (budbaby his name or something like that)... this is a pic I have the guy kind of disappeared all of a sudden hope he is all sound ... he seemed very legit and he was growing monsters and pulling over 12 oz