I have been enjoying my Sannie grows. I dont make records of it online but here is a pic from what I cut and trimmed last night.
Either my camera sucks (Olympus 14m) or I suck using it so its a little blurry but you get the idea...
TGA Strains Stable?
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Either my camera sucks (Olympus 14m) or I suck using it so its a little blurry but you get the idea...
Jogro
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If the TGA parent plants were inbred lines ("true breeding"/"homozygotes"), then the F1 offspring would all be uniform, or nearly so, and there would be no issues with phenotype variation.
But we know this isn't true.
TGA/Subcool's strains typically all start with hybrid parents, thus explaining why many/most of his line will show a wide variety of phenotypes. We also know this, because he says this.
"Good"/"Bad" is sort of subjective and it depends what you're after.
If you don't mind growing lots of plants and doing a bit of selection to find a few exceptional ones, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with unstabilized polyhybrid plants.
But if your ability to grow large numbers of plants is limited (by budget, space, legal constraints, or other factors) then this sort of polyhybrid lineage may not be for you.
Ultimately, the question isn't how many individual lines the seeds can be traced back to. . .that's sort of irrelevant. Even most of the stable inbred lines "could" be traced back to many different strains if you went back far enough.
The question is, in any given pack of seeds how many different phenotypes are you going to see, what variation you can expect between them, and how frequent/rare the "good" ones are.
That's what separates the true breeders from the "hacks"/"pollen chuckers".
CharlieBud
Active Member
If you are referring to me? Umm, no. Or do you see that all my posts are against TGA? NO
Stop being a jock ridding fan boi and STFU with those allegations. Seriously, do stick your head in the dead rez for an hour or so. Maybe you will come back making sense.
The Mantis
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I agree with everything you said but i think i remember reading somewhere that f2's will show more variation. so even a breeder under your definition would be a pollen chucker if he releases f2's? i understand you are not saying this, but definitions must hold up. how much variation?
Also, besides althor, no one has mentioned any true 'breeders' that they vouch for from experience and have documentation. Bueller?
CharlieBud
Active Member
If fem seeds are for "pussies" as he says, I wonder what "trannys" are for? "asses"?
The Mantis
Well-Known Member
i don't think it's funny. i come here to learn, not to hear insults like on a playground. be logical and understand people can argue without insulting one another and/or calling names.
wyteberrywidow
Global
someone who stands behind thier products will.. They wouldnt care about attacks as the product will be doing the talking.
For instance look at swerve he gets attacked on every forum but yet he still stands behind his product and offers to make it right mint be a while and he might talk shit doing it but it gets done. People talk about cc gear going hermie but yet look how many breeders are using cc stock to make new crosses.. Look at karma genetics all his kush strains are used from a male sfv og from swerve
sirstankadank
New Member
Just to clear up any TGA smashing we might have started, or proliferated. Sub and TGA grows are well executed, professional, maybe not lab grade but well put together. TGA carries good genetics, and even though we personally do not purchase expensive TGA genetics anymore, our leftover TGA gear Apollo 13 x Vortex (which has been cloned from clones of clones unfortunately; mother is forever afk...) is still running, not as pretty or virile as they would have been maybe but still ok, and we wanted Bros grimm genes.
On the other hand, after having a miserable 5 months of nothing but traumatic grow experiences, I doubt I or any of my guys will ever purchase TGA gear, at those prices you can essentially buy several 10 packs of seeds, cull through and find more production worthy Parent stock than you would have with a single TGA 5 pack. Not to mention, we have already asked to be test growers and were completely ignored by TGA. We do not hold a grudge against TGA or sub, but things could have been handled better on their end, on many fronts. Either way, no hard feelings from us in particular, just clearing the air.
Evol Bart
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Your Momz!
On the other hand, after having a miserable 5 months of nothing but traumatic grow experiences, I doubt I or any of my guys will ever purchase TGA gear, at those prices you can essentially buy several 10 packs of seeds, cull through and find more production worthy Parent stock than you would have with a single TGA 5 pack. Not to mention, we have already asked to be test growers and were completely ignored by TGA. We do not hold a grudge against TGA or sub, but things could have been handled better on their end, on many fronts. Either way, no hard feelings from us in particular, just clearing the air.
Evol Bart
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Your Momz!
wheezer
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Well, I showed the pics of the AO hermie, and spoke about some others, and shared my thoughts on the stability of the lines they have. Now lets see the good side, cause there is a good side here ya know......you can find some dank plants! I don't think anyone here can argue that this Qrazy Train, and Chernobyl look lovely, even with my shitty photography. These are just phenos that were in a 5 pack, no chosen special phenos or anything. Hope they don't hermie at the last minute! haha
madcityblazer
Member
Sub has the best genetics. I haven't had any problems with his genetics in the last five years. I know a lot of other people who would say the same. I would attribute most of this to "operator error". I would try to look at other factors in your setups because these genetics are the definition of excellence and stability.
wyteberrywidow
Global
Lmao^^^^ how is it stable if you have 10-20 different phenos in one pack?
Most people here have labs where shit is dialed in and somehow subs gear is the only one herming? Operator error my ass!
I wish I can show y'all how many threads subcool deleted because people are seeing this bullshit!
Best genetics seriously? He takes other people genetics and put it together how does he have the best genetics?
Most people here have labs where shit is dialed in and somehow subs gear is the only one herming? Operator error my ass!
I wish I can show y'all how many threads subcool deleted because people are seeing this bullshit!
Best genetics seriously? He takes other people genetics and put it together how does he have the best genetics?
bluntmassa1
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wow talk about ignorant the best genetics? he crosses other peoples hard work and charges top dollar was this a joke or are you really that nieve
wyteberrywidow
Global
Operator error must be alot of operators errors then
bluntmassa1
Well-Known Member
I can't argue with that those girls look killer but one thing for sure is even nirvana has some dank bud the same as most breeders do. I just think tga is over hyped, over priced and for damn sure not stable. but those are some nice plants for sure and yes you can get killer smoke from tga seeds. but you can also make a cross on your own and get dank bud.
Da Almighty Jew
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People that have been smoking for their whole lives when they try my querkle they tell me its the best weed they ever smoked in their life. Not only that but it commands top dollar. Theres something to be said about that. If i havent been smoking that often all i need is one hit of querkle and im toast. You get a warm sensation that rushes over your whole body and makes it go kinda numb and the euphoria is awesome.
wyteberrywidow
Global
Le say the same about my Tahoe and pre98 bubba which on a potent y level is way stronger!
doc111
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I typically don't weigh in on "breeder" hate or praise threads. It's so subjective that it's almost pointless to even talk about. That said, I have mixed feelings. I've only ever bought one pack of TGA gear; Vortex. I popped 2 seeds, got 1 male, 1 female. I tossed the male and grew out the female. It was some excellent bud. It yielded like crap but the bud was dank and definitely top shelf! My very limited experience with TGA genetics has been mostly positive. However, a while back I was reading one of his threads where he talks about using sucanat. Being a good scientist, I was intrigued and wanted to learn more. He mentioned that you had to use it with citric acid in order for it to "work" properly. I simply asked him how he uses it (what ratio of citric acid to sucanat, where to find citric acid, etc.). He then proceeded to jump all over my shit and basically made me feel like a fucking retard! My question was in NO WAY sarcastic or dickish. I simply wanted to know more. He deleted all of my posts, even the ones where I apologize to him for offending him (if I even did so)! I was blown away and pretty much swore I would never give someone like that even ONE SINGLE PENNY more of my hard earned money!
wyteberrywidow
Global
That's just a question u asked imagine what th people who had something negative to say about his gear. Delete and lock!