White Girl Bleed A Lot

[cannabineer]

lol "viscous"
Are you saying Trayvon was a bit thick? cn

 

[desert dude]

Z-man's own statements to the police dispatch, and to the cops and to the press do not paint him as an innocent victim, they portray him to be a deranged wackado who, if he lived in my neighborhood would have been shot dead by a fusillade of bullets from every window and breezeway. we got a pattern of robberies and burglaries in my town too, and most of the suspects are black as well. this does not give me the right to creep around the liquor store and follow every black guy i dont recognize with a pistol in my belt. zimmerman was dancing on the edge of felonious stalking, he was pursuing a guy who had every reason to be scared shitless of a dude lurking behind him in a dark alley, and every reason to worry about the possibility of being assaulted, shot lynched or tied to the hitch ball of a truck for some impromptu track and field exercise on the local highway.

I like the way you write. It is over the top, and funny. I mean that as a compliment.

 

[ChesusRice]

/sarcasm |begin comic sans
i can only imagine the terror zimmerman felt when he, an armed individual was charged by the ruthless and viscous unarmed assailant in an (almost) unprovoked attack triggered by what one can only assume to be a combination of negro rage syndrome, and reefer madness. it's surprising he only shot once, usually in their drug fueled frenzy "cocaine negroes" and reefer addicts require numerous shots in volley fire to bring them down before they rape a few dozen white women. decades of southern law enforcement studies have proven this to be the case. research conducted from the 1820's through the 1960's bears this out. usually lynching is the only weapon that effectively weakens a reefer negro to a point where he can be subdued.
/sarcasm |end comic sans

You know this bullshit yellow journalism is what got us drug laws in the first place

 

[ginwilly]

[video=youtube;L1jB7RBGVGk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1jB7RBGVGk[/video]

have you seen how menacing marijuana is to society?

 

[BigLittlejohn]

Yep, I agree. I don't see how exception (b) would be applied because exception (a) fits the circumstances best.

1. What evidence is there that Zimmerman started the fight? Every action he took before the fight started was lawful. If Zim did not start the fight then SYG applies more broadly.
2. If you conclude he started the fight (following, etc), then how could he escape while prone and having his head bashed against the sidewalk? If he cannot escape, then by definition he has exhausted every reasonable means of escape.
3. Did he reasonably fear GBH/death? An assailant pounding my head into the sidewalk would cause me to fear GBH/death; I think I am a reasonable man. Maybe you are willing to allow somebody to pound your head into a sidewalk until they are satisfied with the damage, but I doubt many people would be so accommodating to such an assault.

As I said, It was never my intent to turn this into the trial of George Zimmerman, but since you are asking me direct questions, I think it rude not to respond. In order:

1. Dr. Kynes covers this one adequately and whether you think the dispatch issues an instruction or a suggestion or something in between, the "we don't need you to do that" necessarily means, from my point of view, that the correct action would be to stay in the truck until the police arrived on the scene. The only way that would not be proper is if he witnessed Martin in the act of some crime and tried to prevent it. We all know that is not what occurred. Unless you believe Martin pulled Zimmerman out of his vehicle, the only conclusion to be drawn from the evidence made available is that Zimmerman initiated the conflict with Martin. I agree that if Zimmerman did not initiate the conflict, SYG would apply more broadly, but I don't think anyone believes that to be the case.

2. I don't stipulate that he was in an inescapable situation. As we both agree, the only eyewitness to that point is Zimmerman himself who has plenty of reasons to not be completely honest and who has credibility issues based on a number of factors, including lying to the court about the nature of his financial situation. Having seen fights wherein the combatants end up on the ground, there are moments when each have been on top of the other. Moreover, I don't buy Zimm's injuries as life threatening or he would have been treated at the ER and would have been concussed in all probability. I've also not seen all the evidence a jury is going to see which is why I have pretty much said all along that my issue was with the lack of arrest. That and a kid is tragically dead for no good reason.

3. Again, I cannot stipulate to these things that are part of Zimmerman's story as fact. I too am a reasonable man, so I don't go around approaching strangers walking down the street without good reason especially when I have already called the police. I don't think we can apply any standards of reason to many of the actions of that fateful night. I certainly don't buy the idea that Martin said "Oh, You got me" prior to collapsing in some Three Musketeers-esque or horrible B movie sort of death. Much of Zimmerman's story strains credulity. For all we know Martin could have stopped, feeling that he had adequately subdued his attacker and was shot when he let up. We won't get to hear his side of the story.

Again, because it bears repeating, my only point, which seemed to be a topic of dispute was that the Florida Statute imposes a duty to retreat on aggressors. That is a fact. My opinion is that Zimmerman committed if not murder, negligent manslaughter, but am 100% satisfied in letting the Courts sort that out.

 

[NoDrama]

2: in florida following somebody who is going about their own business IS stalking, and its a felony if the target is under 16

I stopped here. Just to let you know, following someone isn't illegal, in any state in the union. You can argue it all you like, but If I choose to follow you for the purposes of observing you to make sure you don't rape any of the white men it's well within my legal right to do so. Since its intent is lawful, so is the purpose of following.

 

[ChesusRice]

I stopped here. Just to let you know, following someone isn't illegal, in any state in the union. You can argue it all you like, but If I choose to follow you for the purposes of observing you to make sure you don't rape any of the white men it's well within my legal right to do so. Since its intent is lawful, so is the purpose of following.

784.048 Stalking;
definitions; penalties.—
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Harass” means to engage in a
course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial
emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose.

(b) “Course of conduct” means a
pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however
short, which evidences a continuity of purpose. The term does not include
constitutionally protected activity such as picketing or other organized
protests.

(c) “Credible threat” means a verbal
or nonverbal threat, or a combination of the two, including threats delivered by
electronic communication or implied by a pattern of conduct, which places the
person who is the target of the threat in reasonable fear for his or her safety
or the safety of his or her family members or individuals closely associated
with the person, and which is made with the apparent ability to carry out the
threat to cause such harm. It is not necessary to prove that the person making
the threat had the intent to actually carry out the threat. The present
incarceration of the person making the threat is not a bar to prosecution under
this section.

(d) “Cyberstalk” means to engage in
a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words,
images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic
communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional
distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.


(2) A person who willfully,
maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person
commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable
as provided in s. 775.082
or s. 775.083.

(3) A person who willfully,
maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person and
makes a credible threat to that person commits the offense of aggravated
stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082,
s. 775.083,
or s. 775.084.

(4) A person who, after an
injunction for protection against repeat violence, sexual violence, or dating
violence pursuant to s. 784.046,
or an injunction for protection against domestic violence pursuant to s. 741.30,
or after any other court-imposed prohibition of conduct toward the subject
person or that person’s property, knowingly, willfully, maliciously, and
repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense
of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in
s. 775.082,
s. 775.083,
or s. 775.084.

(5) A person who willfully,
maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks a child under 16
years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third
degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082,
s. 775.083,
or s. 775.084.

(6) A law enforcement officer may
arrest, without a warrant, any person that he or she has probable cause to
believe has violated this section.

(7) A person who, after having been
sentenced for a violation of s. 794.011,
s. 800.04,
or s. 847.0135(5)
and prohibited from contacting the victim of the offense under s. 921.244,
willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks the
victim commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree,
punishable as provided in s. 775.082,
s. 775.083,
or s. 775.084.

( The punishment imposed under
this section shall run consecutive to any former sentence imposed for a
conviction for any offense under s. 794.011,
s. 800.04,
or s. 847.0135(5).


(9)(a) The sentencing court shall
consider, as a part of any sentence, issuing an order restraining the defendant
from any contact with the victim, which may be valid for up to 10 years, as
determined by the court. It is the intent of the Legislature that the length of
any such order be based upon the seriousness of the facts before the court, the
probability of future violations by the perpetrator, and the safety of the
victim and his or her family members or individuals closely associated with the
victim.

(b) The order may be issued by the
court even if the defendant is sentenced to a state prison or a county jail or
even if the imposition of the sentence is suspended and the defendant is placed
on probation.


History.—s. 1, ch.
92-208; s. 29, ch. 94-134; s. 29, ch. 94-135; s. 2, ch. 97-27; s. 23, ch.
2002-55; s. 1, ch. 2003-23; s. 3, ch. 2004-17; s. 3, ch. 2004-256; s. 17, ch.
2008-172; s. 2, ch. 2012-153.



http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.048.html

 

[NoDrama]

784.048 Stalking;
definitions; penalties.—
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Harass” means to engage in a
course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial
emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose.

l

sigh, a 5 year old could tell you that watching you to make sure you don't go around raping people or stealing their shit is a LEGITIMATE purpose to follow someone. Duke, your still the same no common sense 16 year old you were last time.

 

[ChesusRice]

sigh, a 5 year old could tell you that watching you to make sure you don't go around raping people or stealing their shit is a LEGITIMATE purpose to follow someone. Duke, your still the same no common sense 16 year old you were last time.

And you can tell that Martin was up to no good why?

Becuase he was Black?

 

[NoDrama]

2. Moreover, I don't buy Zimm's injuries as life threatening or he would have been treated at the ER and would have been concussed in all probability.

So basically you are saying that if I were to point a .357 magnum at you, pull the trigger and only blow your left ear off, You would feel that you were not in any REAL danger because your wounds were not severe enough? LMFAO I have heard some BULLSHIT COCKAMAMEE shit before, but this takes the cake.

I'll smash your head against the sidewalk, but until your cranium actually cracks or you go unconscious, it isn't anything you should defend yourself against.

 

[NoDrama]

And you can tell that Martin was up to no good why?

Becuase he was Black?

ummmmmm because he is lurking around at night IN THE RAIN, wears a hoodie and then when Zimm picks up the phone to call for the police he RUNS AWAY??? Not exactly "I didn't do it" behavior, ask any cop.

 

[ChesusRice]

So basically you are saying that if I were to point a .357 magnum at you, pull the trigger and only blow your left ear off, You would feel that you were not in any REAL danger because your wounds were not severe enough? LMFAO I have heard some BULLSHIT COCKAMAMEE shit before, but this takes the cake.

I'll smash your head against the sidewalk, but until your cranium actually cracks or you go unconscious, it isn't anything you should defend yourself against.

What a creative straw man you build

 

[NoDrama]

What a creative straw man you build

Oh Dukie.

Actually, I didn't create it, but thanks for thinking I did.

Stupid people don't know when they are stupid, know what I mean? Of course you don't.

 

[ChesusRice]

ummmmmm because he is lurking around at night IN THE RAIN, wears a hoodie and then when Zimm picks up the phone to call for the police he RUNS AWAY??? Not exactly "I didn't do it" behavior, ask any cop.

Zimmerman was a cop?

Walking home when your black is defined as lurking

And you dont think it is appropriate to wear a hoodie over your head in the rain?

 

[NoDrama]

And you dont think it is appropriate to wear a hoodie over your head in the rain?

Its fine, but when you are acting all "Drugged" or "weird" and have the appearance of someone casing a home, then you RUN AWAY? Yeah my suspicion radar usually goes off about then. I suppose yours says " Don't worry, go get some nachos?"

You know how the police figure out which guy is the suspect out of 4 people minding their own business and 1 guy running frantically away from the crime scene?

 

[londonfog]

ummmmmm because he is lurking around at night IN THE RAIN, wears a hoodie and then when Zimm picks up the phone to call for the police he RUNS AWAY??? Not exactly "I didn't do it" behavior, ask any cop.

Zimmermans not a cop...I can be out in the rain wearing a hoodie and when I see some pervert I run...your other side is showing

 

[NoDrama]

Zimmermans not a cop...I can be out in the rain wearing a hoodie and when I see some pervert I run...your other side is showing

You think only cops are allowed to follow people? Show me that law.

What would make you think the guy on the phone is a pervert? Seriously? What kind of a mind does it take to consider everyone around as a potential rapist? Is that how you think? Do you make sure your children never go outside because of this malady? If you run away because you are afraid what makes you go back and attempt an ass kicking? People going back to kick some ass are not runnign away from perverts, they are criminals who think they are bad asses and are trying to prove it. How dare someone look at another person and then use the phone!!!

 

[londonfog]

You think only cops are allowed to follow people? Show me that law.

What would make you think the guy on the phone is a pervert? Seriously? What kind of a mind does it take to consider everyone around as a potential rapist? Is that how you think? Do you make sure your children never go outside because of this malady?

Wow one minute you say your molesting hero was not following now you agreeing that he was and that it's no law against it..You do realize how people see you >>>>

 

[doc111]

no offense but I think my Caucasian brothers or sisters have very little to complain about.

Yeah, it's ALL unicorns & rainbows for us.

 

[londonfog]

Yeah, it's ALL unicorns & rainbows for us.

I hear you guys give each other free stuff