911 conspiracy theory

MellowFarmer

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mellowfarmer your location say it all KINGDOM OF FEAR.........you might have a mental disorder
just saying.or better yet you dont believe your own bullshit but it makes you feel smart to convince other people of your spur of the moment attention getting conversations..ya just seem alittle low self asteemed
..and no im not making fun of you so dont get a complex this to shall pass.later time to go and be productive................
Dr Hunter Thompson wrote The Kingdom of Fear in response to 911, I suggest you read it. You are also using disinformation tactics. Please respond with arguments against the overwhelming evidence that the official story is bullshit or stfu.
 

smokyadams

Active Member
the official story no doubt is probally bullshit ..and your point is what ..??to listen to other people official bullshit story to..you are so fucking gullible it kills me ...hopefully your not buying all these official bullshit stories with your hard earned money....which im sure your not ..all jokes aside people are making a killing writing books and doing interviews about the real bullshit official story and your dumb enough to buy into it..kind of like bigfoot sightings and ufo documentaries...........
 

CannaChameleon

Active Member
I've seen the video. I believe it happened and that the video exists. My big problem with it is that there is a much much simpler explanation that makes sense. Maybe there was a communication error somewhere? They knew wtc 7 was coming down, it was just a matter of when.

Even if you assume every other aspect of the 911 conspiracy theory is true it still doesn't make sense to say that the reporters got a script before hand. Not even by the ass backwards logic of a truther can you make any kind of rationale for telling reporters before hand. The tower falling is one of those details that need not be fed to reporters. It will be self evident.
surely the american government, hearing about these 'rediculous' theories would try extremely hard to prove them wrong - perhaps by releasing some of the classified information pertaining to that day - it would hardly be difficult to release some footage of the pentagon attack to disprove the theory that it was a missile (not that i necessarily believe that) or make the inquiry totally water tight rather than leaving more questions than it answered. Maybe admitting tot he fact that bin laden had at one time been a CIA asset (this is not a theory) and giving the public some more information rather than classifying literally millions of transcripts and papers so that the whole thing was less suspicious? Guy incognito you clearly have a misunderstanding of the USs imperialist tendencies - the CIA has declassified many documents relating to activity strangely similar to that of 911 (guatemala 1964, WW2 etc etc) in the past and i have seen little evidence that they have turned a new leaf.
 

MellowFarmer

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the official story no doubt is probally bullshit ..and your point is what ..??to listen to other people official bullshit story to..you are so fucking gullible it kills me ...hopefully your not buying all these official bullshit stories with your hard earned money....which im sure your not ..all jokes aside people are making a killing writing books and doing interviews about the real bullshit official story and your dumb enough to buy into it..kind of like bigfoot sightings and ufo documentaries...........
Again, you are using disinformation tactics. Please respond to the evidence presented with factual arguments instead of insults and log in with your non trolling account.
 

canna_420

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I aint noticed anyone mention Norad.?

I would have thought haveing it in a training manual. To the letter is enough
 

smokyadams

Active Member
SOMEONE IS MAKING ALOT OF CASH OFF OF THIS SHIT...............WOULDNT YOU AGREE

Dr. David Ray Griffin, 2003
Dr. Griffin is a retired professor of Philosophy of Religion and Theology. Dr. Griffin has published and edited over 30 books and in 2006 won the Helios Foundation Award. Dr. Griffin is probably the leading authority on questioning what really happened on 9/11. Dr. Griffin continues to publish articles and books about new findings of 9/11 and is active on the lecture circuit. Several of his lectures, like 9/11-The Myth and the Reality are available on DVD.Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
Dr. David Ray Griffin, 2007
9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, Vol. 1
Dr. David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, 2006
The 9/11 Truth Movement should not be passed off as a group of conspiracy theorists. This book includes essays written by intellectuals from all over the world who stand united in their belief that 9/11 was planned to gain control abroad.
Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action
Dr. David Ray Griffin, 2006
The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America
Peter Dale Scott, 2007
Scott starts with the 1960's and follows political and foreign policy, including the Nixon administration that may have led to the 9/11 attacks.
9/11: The Greatest Crime of All Time - The Best of Global Outlook
Ian Woods, 2006
David Griffin believes this book is a great introductory overview of the 9/11 conspiracy issues and should be included among leading books that question the events of 9/11.
9/11 Revealed
Rowan Morgan and Ian Henshall, 2005
There are two books in this series by Ian Henshall. This isn't the highest rated of all 9/11 books, but it is interesting to read the government response to this book. For an interesting view about how our government disputes the claims in this book, read the article at the U.S. Department of State's web site called 9/11 Revealed?
9/11 Revealed: The New Evidence
Ian Henshall, 2007
Sources:
Comments from Willie Nelson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFnpzanjPpA
U.S. Governments Response to Book: 9/11 Revealed
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html
2007 Poll
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200709/NAT20070911b.html
2006 poll
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
 

MellowFarmer

Well-Known Member
SOMEONE IS MAKING ALOT OF CASH OFF OF THIS SHIT...............WOULDNT YOU AGREE

Dr. David Ray Griffin, 2003
Dr. Griffin is a retired professor of Philosophy of Religion and Theology. Dr. Griffin has published and edited over 30 books and in 2006 won the Helios Foundation Award. Dr. Griffin is probably the leading authority on questioning what really happened on 9/11. Dr. Griffin continues to publish articles and books about new findings of 9/11 and is active on the lecture circuit. Several of his lectures, like 9/11-The Myth and the Reality are available on DVD.Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
Dr. David Ray Griffin, 2007
9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, Vol. 1
Dr. David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, 2006
The 9/11 Truth Movement should not be passed off as a group of conspiracy theorists. This book includes essays written by intellectuals from all over the world who stand united in their belief that 9/11 was planned to gain control abroad.
Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action
Dr. David Ray Griffin, 2006
The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America
Peter Dale Scott, 2007
Scott starts with the 1960's and follows political and foreign policy, including the Nixon administration that may have led to the 9/11 attacks.
9/11: The Greatest Crime of All Time - The Best of Global Outlook
Ian Woods, 2006
David Griffin believes this book is a great introductory overview of the 9/11 conspiracy issues and should be included among leading books that question the events of 9/11.
9/11 Revealed
Rowan Morgan and Ian Henshall, 2005
There are two books in this series by Ian Henshall. This isn't the highest rated of all 9/11 books, but it is interesting to read the government response to this book. For an interesting view about how our government disputes the claims in this book, read the article at the U.S. Department of State's web site called 9/11 Revealed?
9/11 Revealed: The New Evidence
Ian Henshall, 2007
Sources:
Comments from Willie Nelson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFnpzanjPpA
U.S. Governments Response to Book: 9/11 Revealed
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html
2007 Poll
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200709/NAT20070911b.html
2006 poll
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
How does this prove what? :eyesmoke:

I love Willie! Thanks, I wondered why Big Gov keeps harassing him over a little pot!

Willie speaks out that the official 911 story doesn't make any sense
[video=youtube_share;jFnpzanjPpA]http://youtu.be/jFnpzanjPpA[/video]
 

doc111

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After arguing with a few people in another thread I thought I needed to make a new thread about this. I have been reading a lot about the entire situation. I have been reading web sites on both sides of the camp. I don't want to just reaffirm the opinion I have, I wanted to get opinions from both sides and investigate the facts for myself. Especially since I believed the whole thing was put to rest years and years ago. After doing all this I have come to this conclusion: anyone that believes 911 was an inside job is a full blown retard. It is not a mistake in calculations, or an error in judgement. You have systematically denied every piece of evidence that clearly points to what actually happened. You have ignored relevant evidence, and instead cherry picked what you think is evidence to support your outlandish claim. Every single point of evidence from the truthers that I checked into, without exception, was either a flat out lie, a misperception of the physical evidence caused by a misunderstanding (or total lack of understanding) of the processes/forces/chemistry involved, or was not logical.

There are people that believe the media was complicit in the plan. That they were fed a news script to read. That cnn reported that wtc 7 fell a full hour before it actually fell. This absolutely blows my mind. The notion that the reporters were in on and were fed scripts is preposterous. I can't even fathom the jump in logic for this particular case. The premise doesn't even make sense. Why would you feed cnn a script about what was happening? Couldn't you just blow the tower up and cnn would naturally report it when it actually fell? I don't know how to debunk this one because it doesn't even make sense.
Great post! I've been trying to tell people this for YEARS now! For some reason, the conspiracy theorists do not and will not listen to facts. When there is something that contradicts their little paradigm, they just cover their ears and yell "LALALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!" lol! I am a retired fireman and was at the WTC site beginning at around 1 pm that day and for nearly a month afterwards. I could see bldg. 7 before it fell and it was in BAD SHAPE. FDNY knew it would likely collapse several hours before it actually came down. This was relayed to the media who (like they so often do) reported, incorrectly, that the building had already collapsed. They had put a "transit" (a laser measuring device, similar to a surveyors instrument) on bldg. 7 and were seeing movemnt. This only means one thing: the building is slowly collapsing. A visible bulge could also be seen and was reported by NUMEROUS firefighters that day. Here is an excellent website which debunks most of the conspiracy theorists' claims.

http://debunking911.com/
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
How does this prove what? :eyesmoke:

I love Willie! Thanks, I wondered why Big Gov keeps harassing him over a little pot!

Willie speaks out that the official 911 story doesn't make any sense
[video=youtube_share;jFnpzanjPpA]http://youtu.be/jFnpzanjPpA[/video]
True, the official version doesn't make a lot of sense to people who don't understand building collapse. Nothing like this has ever happened in the history of humanity, so like virtually any major historical event, there are a relative few who scream "conspiracy!". Thanks to the internet, conspiracy theories are even more mainstream than ever before. Much of the info on the internet is not factual. It's a lot of hearsay and speculation.
 

smokyadams

Active Member
thanks doc111 i guess all thats really kind of left is to say
GO FUCK YOURSELF MELLOWFARMER FROM KINGDOM OF FEAR LOL LOL
im really i nice guy honestly
 

Dislexicmidget2021

Well-Known Member
Yet another topic in our society that divides the people.This is such a dead mule thats still getting beat to a pulp.There is no way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that either side is correct,so whats the point in continuing to debate this shit?
 

MellowFarmer

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True, the official version doesn't make a lot of sense to people who don't understand building collapse. Nothing like this has ever happened in the history of humanity, so like virtually any major historical event, there are a relative few who scream "conspiracy!". Thanks to the internet, conspiracy theories are even more mainstream than ever before. Much of the info on the internet is not factual. It's a lot of hearsay and speculation.
Will you believe someone who won the National Medal of Science in 1999 from Clinton?

Dr. Margulis referred to 9/11 as “this new false-flag operation, which has been used to justify the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as unprecedented assaults on research, education, and civil liberties”. She compared 9/11 to several self-inflicted attacks that had been used in the past to arouse people’s fear and hatred and justify war, including the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor , the Reichstag Fire, and Operation Himmler, which Germany used to justify the invasion of Poland , the trigger for World War II.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Margulis.html

 

guy incognito

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Holy shit some people are fucking dumb as fucking shit. open your eyes motherfuckers
Why were the Bin Laden and Saud families (142 people total) permitted by the FBI and the White House to fly out of the U.S. on private jets on September 13th when all other private flights were still grounded by the FAA? In June of 2004, Tampa Bay International airport verified that this flight indeed took place. And Why did Bush stop all investigations into the Bin Laden family before 9/11? The FBI documents "199-I" (indicating a national security case) show that the FBI was pulled off the trail of Abdullah and Omar bin Laden in 1996 – and reopened Sept.19, 2001, eight days after 9/11.

How did they find Mohammed Atta’s and Satam al-Sugami’s passport which magically survived – unscathed – the plane crash, explosion, fire, over 200,000 tons of steel and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete totaling 1.2 million tons of rubble? Yet they can't locate the flight recorders from either plane? And who "found" them and at what time did they "find" these? This is the real outrageous conspiracy theory! (I have an idea, why doesn't Boeing design a new data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?)

You may ask how and when the bombs were planted in the towers. There were plenty of opportunities to plant bombs with low risk of detection. Here are a few examples:
• Ben Fountain, a 42 year old financial analyst who worked in the South Tower, said the weeks before 9/11 there were numerous unanswered and unusual drills where sections of both the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were evacuated for "security reasons".
• Bomb-sniffing dogs were inexplicably removed from the Twin Towers five days before 9/11
• Scott Forbes, working for Fiduciary Trust in the 97th floor of the South Tower, reported that there was a 36 hour "power down" in the upper half of the South Tower on September 8–9 to complete a "cabling upgrade," where security systems consequently were shut down and many workers ran around busily doing things unobserved. They were informed by Port Authority three weeks prior to this.
Yet another coincidence, a Bush-linked company, Stratesec, handled security for three clients that figured prominently in the attack - United Airlines; Dulles International Airport where AA FL 77 was hijacked; and the World Trade Center itself. The President’s brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt D. Walker III, were principals in Stratesec, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11.

On October 26, 2001 George Bush signed the misnamed USA PATRIOT Act, which was proposed just five days after 9/11! Just six weeks later this bill was passed! It is IMPOSSIBLE for a bill to be conceived, written, debated, and passed this quickly. You see, they had already written the bill BEFORE 9-11, and needed this disaster to justify its passage. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it. This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it!

Did you know that the U.S. financed, armed, and trained Al Qaeda? After Russian troops invaded Afghanistan in 1979, the CIA financed (with billions of dollars), armed, and trained bin Laden and thousands of other Mujahideen rebels. (Reagan called them "freedom fighters") The name "al-Qaeda" as an organization was first used in early 2001, when the U.S. government decided to prosecute Bin Laden in his absence (for the Aug ‘98 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people) and had to use anti-Mafia laws that required the existence of a named criminal organization.

What about the President’s odd behavior at the elementary school? After hearing about the second plane attack, President Bush sat down with a classroom of second-graders and began a 20-minute pre-planned photo op. Bush's behavior is made even more astounding by the fact that his Secret Service would have had to assume that he was one of the intended targets. One Secret Service agent, seeing the television coverage of the crash of the second airliner into the WTC, reportedly said: "We're out of here." He was obviously overruled. Why wasn’t he immediately whisked out and protected? The terrorists could have targeted the President along with the 200+ people at the school? The Secret Service breached all standard procedures and allowed President Bush to remain at a highly publicized location for 25 minutes after it was known that the nation was under attack!
I already responded to your first point, but you keep bringing it up. Please provide sources for your information. According to every source I found NO ONE left on the 13th. Some saudis did in fact leave on a chartered plane, but not until the 20th which was 6 days after airspace opened. There is nothing fishy about it. Until you can provide evidence otherwise you are in the dog house for being either a liar or grossly misinformed.
 

guy incognito

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The one thing that always sticks out in my mind is the surviviors who were in the buildings hearing a large blast in the basement before the plane(s) crashed in to the buildings. Alot of people will tell you these buildings were designed to withstand an airplane crashing in to them, and would require additional blasts to collapse the structures. There was also the cases of the incinerated planes, really?
I'm not saying it was a setup, but it's all kinda weird when you really think about it.
So you believe the ear witness accounts of people that were caught in what is no doubt the most traumatic event of their life(and were probably good financial planners and bankers - but how many were demo experts)? But you don't trust the literal mountain of evidence that quite logically explains the entire series of events?

The rest of your comment leads me to believe you don't have the faintest clue of what actually happened inside the building. Someone told you they were made to withstand a plane, and you saw it collapse after a plane hit it. No need to investigate the situation further, must be an inside job. Good work columbo.
 

stickyicky0420

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SOMEONE IS MAKING ALOT OF CASH OFF OF THIS SHIT...............WOULDNT YOU AGREE

Dr. David Ray Griffin, 2003
Dr. Griffin is a retired professor of Philosophy of Religion and Theology. Dr. Griffin has published and edited over 30 books and in 2006 won the Helios Foundation Award. Dr. Griffin is probably the leading authority on questioning what really happened on 9/11. Dr. Griffin continues to publish articles and books about new findings of 9/11 and is active on the lecture circuit. Several of his lectures, like 9/11-The Myth and the Reality are available on DVD.Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
Dr. David Ray Griffin, 2007
9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, Vol. 1
Dr. David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, 2006
The 9/11 Truth Movement should not be passed off as a group of conspiracy theorists. This book includes essays written by intellectuals from all over the world who stand united in their belief that 9/11 was planned to gain control abroad.
Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action
Dr. David Ray Griffin, 2006
The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America
Peter Dale Scott, 2007
Scott starts with the 1960's and follows political and foreign policy, including the Nixon administration that may have led to the 9/11 attacks.
9/11: The Greatest Crime of All Time - The Best of Global Outlook
Ian Woods, 2006
David Griffin believes this book is a great introductory overview of the 9/11 conspiracy issues and should be included among leading books that question the events of 9/11.
9/11 Revealed
Rowan Morgan and Ian Henshall, 2005
There are two books in this series by Ian Henshall. This isn't the highest rated of all 9/11 books, but it is interesting to read the government response to this book. For an interesting view about how our government disputes the claims in this book, read the article at the U.S. Department of State's web site called 9/11 Revealed?
9/11 Revealed: The New Evidence
Ian Henshall, 2007
Sources:
Comments from Willie Nelson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFnpzanjPpA
U.S. Governments Response to Book: 9/11 Revealed
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html
2007 Poll
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200709/NAT20070911b.html
2006 poll
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
exactly thank you there makeing so much money cause there are so many dumb asses willing to belive anything aslong as it is a conspiricy they cant belive the truth lol so no point in giveing them the facts anymore they keeps saying the same thing. "the towers where built to whitstand a plane attack? relly jet fule is the hottest buring fule there is a 747 with a full tank and a thousand feet of a burning building will bring down any structure these conspiracy therist need to find facts unsted of reposting the same old opinions i rofl at any one dumb enough to belive this shit considering probably 95% of people belive its a terrist attack so that laves 5% of people with to much time on there hands and crazy people who will listen to anything BUT FACTS!
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
Will you believe someone who won the National Medal of Science in 1999 from Clinton?

Dr. Margulis referred to 9/11 as “this new false-flag operation, which has been used to justify the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as unprecedented assaults on research, education, and civil liberties”. She compared 9/11 to several self-inflicted attacks that had been used in the past to arouse people’s fear and hatred and justify war, including the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor , the Reichstag Fire, and Operation Himmler, which Germany used to justify the invasion of Poland , the trigger for World War II.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Margulis.html

Intelligence, awards, degrees, etc., doesn't equate to rational minded. I've talked to some of these "pilots for truth" and "engineers for truth". Most of these people also believe they have been abducted and probed by malevolent aliens and that there are bases on the moon and Mars. On the surface, it appears as if these "truth" organizations have merit, but if you look just beneath the surface and start researching other things these people have claimed and it becomes PAINFULLY obvious how delusional some of these folks are.
 

stickyicky0420

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Again, you are using disinformation tactics. Please respond to the evidence presented with factual arguments instead of insults and log in with your non trolling account.
dude anytime someone tells you facts or something you dont wanna here you say the same thing rofl disinformation tactics disinformation tactics disinformation tactics disinformation tactics that doesnt mean the rest of the world is going to belive your crazy ass theriy
 

stickyicky0420

Well-Known Member
Great post! I've been trying to tell people this for YEARS now! For some reason, the conspiracy theorists do not and will not listen to facts. When there is something that contradicts their little paradigm, they just cover their ears and yell "LALALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!" lol! I am a retired fireman and was at the WTC site beginning at around 1 pm that day and for nearly a month afterwards. I could see bldg. 7 before it fell and it was in BAD SHAPE. FDNY knew it would likely collapse several hours before it actually came down. This was relayed to the media who (like they so often do) reported, incorrectly, that the building had already collapsed. They had put a "transit" (a laser measuring device, similar to a surveyors instrument) on bldg. 7 and were seeing movemnt. This only means one thing: the building is slowly collapsing. A visible bulge could also be seen and was reported by NUMEROUS firefighters that day. Here is an excellent website which debunks most of the conspiracy theorists' claims.

http://debunking911.com/
rofl kind like that guy who yells "disinformation tactics" every time someone tells them their opinion and proven facts they get all butt hurt and start changeing the subject rofl rofl "disinformation tactics"
 

stickyicky0420

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Again, you are using disinformation tactics. Please respond to the evidence presented with factual arguments instead of insults and log in with your non trolling account.
see he said it agin maby insted of "
disinformation tactics he should say " i dont wanna belive in facts"
 
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