guy incognito
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Besides all the bodies they found? What exactly are you looking for? Are you questioning whether the "official" listed planes are in fact the planes that hit the building?
911 conspiracy theory
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MellowFarmer
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I am not the only one.
This is a retired Air Force aircraft accident investigator:
Impossible to Prove a Falsehood True
by George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)
The precautionary principle is based on the fact that its impossible to prove a false claim to be true. Failure to prove a false premise true does not automatically make it false but caution is called for, especially in the case of a world-changing event like the alleged terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 . After five long years, our government has provided the public with no physical evidence to support its claim that the attacks were the work of Muslim terrorists, or even that the identity of the aircraft that struck their targets on September 11 was the same as those specified in the 9/11 Commission's report. As explained below, it would be a simple matter to confirm the identity of each of the four aircraft, and until such physical proof of identity is forthcoming, no conclusions can be scientifically drawn to support the official story as being accurate. This is a precaution against rushing to judgment. At this point, it could just as easily be assumed that the 911 hijackings were part of a black operation carried out with full cooperation of elements within our own government.
Kaendar
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It seems like ppl that refuse the truth like to say the facts are just dreams or opinions. The problem with that is that anytime I talk conspiracies I make sure to offer proven facts to avoid any of this shit.. but even with facts in their face some ppl like to deny the shit out of it
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
When do you plan to begin this? I would greatly approve of that. Keep in mind, please, that saying "this is a proven fact" does not qualify ... links to an unimpeachable source are required to put some bite into that claim. My difficulty in researching this topic is the near-absence of discussion using unimpeachable sources. One cannot harvest proven facts from a [bad word] blog. cn
Sator
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Agree 100% even the government of Vatican was implicated in a mafia money bank scandallol!
Show me a government, ANY government that hasn't done something "dishonest"! Does that mean that ANYTHING bad that ever happens was perpetrated by our government? I suppose in some people's minds it does.
smokyadams
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Less than 1% of the human race falls for mellowfarmers bullshit..
And you wonder why he lives in the kindom of fear.....
And you wonder why he lives in the kindom of fear.....
smokyadams
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Schizophrenia is a chronic brain disorder that affects 2.4 million Americans in a given year and more than 24 million people worldwide. Research suggests that men and women are at equal risk of developing the disease, which occurs at similar rates in all ethnic groups around the world. At this time, no one knows exactly what causes the disease or why it affects some and not others. Just like people who have arthritis or migraines, it’s not your fault that you have schizophrenia. No one is to blame.
Nobody knows for sure what causes schizophrenia. Research suggests that it may be caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain. An imbalance in these chemicals can cause messages in the brain to get mixed up. Scientists believe that schizophrenia, like many other illnesses, results from a combination of genetic and environmental factors.
The symptoms vary from person to person. Some may have many symptoms, while you may only have a few. Generally, symptoms fall into 2 categories. They are called positive symptoms and negative symptoms
Nobody knows for sure what causes schizophrenia. Research suggests that it may be caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain. An imbalance in these chemicals can cause messages in the brain to get mixed up. Scientists believe that schizophrenia, like many other illnesses, results from a combination of genetic and environmental factors.
The symptoms vary from person to person. Some may have many symptoms, while you may only have a few. Generally, symptoms fall into 2 categories. They are called positive symptoms and negative symptoms
smokyadams
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Alien abduction stories relate the incidences of non-human creatures kidnapping people on Earth. Most abduction stories tell incidents of aliens forcing people to undergo a medical examination. Some stories bear reference to aliens warning the people on Earth about dangers in the future. Others speak of the abducted people having a relatively pleasant abduction experience claiming to have suffered no harm.
smokyadams
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Osama bin Laden publicly gloated about and repeatedly referred to al Qaeda's "success" on September 11, 2001. In an audiotape released on May 23, 2006, bin Laden stated, "I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers ... with those raids..."
Of course, that is not enough proof for many. The most popular alternating theory in America is that 9/11 happened - either on purpose or by passive allowance - because the Bush administration was itching to go to war in the Middle East. Any official government denial would, of course, not be enough for truthers, so perhaps the words of one of the world's biggest skeptics would help. Noam Chomsky, the infamous "libertarian socialist" who had no fond feelings for George W. Bush nor America's global ambitions, thought truther theories to be utter nonsense, and not just because the science of their theories doesn't add up.
Of course, that is not enough proof for many. The most popular alternating theory in America is that 9/11 happened - either on purpose or by passive allowance - because the Bush administration was itching to go to war in the Middle East. Any official government denial would, of course, not be enough for truthers, so perhaps the words of one of the world's biggest skeptics would help. Noam Chomsky, the infamous "libertarian socialist" who had no fond feelings for George W. Bush nor America's global ambitions, thought truther theories to be utter nonsense, and not just because the science of their theories doesn't add up.
smokyadams
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[h=3]Israel's spy agency knew about the attacks, and got 4,000 Jews out of there[/h]The blame-the-Jews theory is very popular in the Middle East. In a 2008 poll conducted in Egypt, as many as 43 percent of Egyptians thought Israel was somehow behind the 9/11 attacks. Among the most persistent post-9/11 rumors was that 4,000 Jews did not show up for work that September morning at the World Trade Center because Mossad, Israel's spy agency, warned them against it.
Although an exact tally doesn't exist, the consensus is that anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the victims of the 9/11 attacks - up to 450 people - were Jewish religiously or had Judaism as their primary cultural affiliation. The U.S. Census has generally put the percentage of Americans who are Jewish at a maximum of 2 percent in recent years. It would be nonsensical of the Jews to leave hundreds behind as martyrs to cover their trail. Even if they had, it's not as if Israel has been made any "safer" by 9/11.
Although an exact tally doesn't exist, the consensus is that anywhere from 10 to 15 percent of the victims of the 9/11 attacks - up to 450 people - were Jewish religiously or had Judaism as their primary cultural affiliation. The U.S. Census has generally put the percentage of Americans who are Jewish at a maximum of 2 percent in recent years. It would be nonsensical of the Jews to leave hundreds behind as martyrs to cover their trail. Even if they had, it's not as if Israel has been made any "safer" by 9/11.
smokyadams
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[h=3]The Twin Towers collapsed because of a controlled explosion[/h]This theory generally gets explained via a question: How could an airplane possibly bring down a building as large as the World Trade Center without explosives?
Perhaps it's best to let engineers answer this one. Popular Mechanics magazine writes: "Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper... pockets of fire hit 1832°F."
Perhaps it's best to let engineers answer this one. Popular Mechanics magazine writes: "Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper... pockets of fire hit 1832°F."
smokyadams
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[h=3]A missile, and not a plane, hit the Pentagon[/h]There are two main reasons this theory exists: One, the high security levels required at and near the Pentagon limited outside reporting from the disaster site; Two, all the public really saw were some small-ish holes in the building itself.
Never mind the fact that hundreds of thousands of people live near the Pentagon and therefore at least a few of them would have seen an airborne missile, or the jet that fired it, this is another one best explained by an engineer.
Popular Mechanics magazine writes: "Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says (Pentagon inspection) team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mas
Never mind the fact that hundreds of thousands of people live near the Pentagon and therefore at least a few of them would have seen an airborne missile, or the jet that fired it, this is another one best explained by an engineer.
Popular Mechanics magazine writes: "Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says (Pentagon inspection) team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mas
smokyadams
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[h=3]Flight 93 was shot down by a missile over Pennsylvania[/h]This is among the most shameful and disrespectful of truther theories, because of the numerous family members who talked to their loved ones on board shortly before passengers stormed the cockpit and the plane went down. To further debunk this theory, audiotapes revealed that the military didn't even know the plane had been hijacked until several minutes after the plane crashed.
smokyadams
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[h=3]What's motivating truthers?[/h]The theories listed above and the brief attempts at debunking them are just small samples of the incredibly large amount of work that's been put into the fertile ground on which truthers play. The very fact that there are so many theories and people who believe in them raises another question: Amid so much evidence to the contrary, and so much visible heartbreak from victims' family members probably made worse by wallowing in conspiracy theories, why believe in them?
The most immediate and obvious answer is greed. Books and DVD movies by 9/11 truthers have sold millions of copies worldwide.
There are deeper reasons for their existence though. Tragedy is most often the result of a randomly cruel world. That, however, doesn't let people who were victimized by or who are afraid of tragedy blame someone or something.
The most immediate and obvious answer is greed. Books and DVD movies by 9/11 truthers have sold millions of copies worldwide.
There are deeper reasons for their existence though. Tragedy is most often the result of a randomly cruel world. That, however, doesn't let people who were victimized by or who are afraid of tragedy blame someone or something.
smokyadams
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By grasping at straws, and laying the blame on anything other than senseless, random violence - the very hallmark of al Qaeda's crusade - truthers are trying to make order where there is none, and in the end, the only people they want to make feel better are themselves.
Kaendar
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Actually all of the facts I have provided in this thread are just that, facts. Any of it can be confirmed with the smallest amount of research
Kaendar
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Wow, now you guys are calling us anti American?? What a pussy move. Even tho Americans are fat, lazy, judgmental, and take advantage of everybody else, they are still my country men. Wanting to expose the truth about 9/11 is the most patriotic thing possible, and also does the proper justice for all of the victims of that day. The American people deserve to know the truth.
smokyadams
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thank god for the little things in lifesmokyadams
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Oh my. "This is a proven fact"; you went and did it with zero sense of shame.
I challenge you to find one unimpeachable source instead of telling the blatantly unreal tale that "the smallest amount" of research can locate one. I did look and got a solid wall of self-disqualifying digests: blogs, Youtube daftumentaries or the "testimony" websites like the ones mellowfarmer accepts as authoritative. We could argue also about the real meaning of the word "research" in this context, as I feel it is being abused when Google is considered sufficient. But I'd rather not; I'm more interested in one single unimpeachable fact from one single unimpeachable source. So far, that has not come onto the table. cn