cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Personally, I think the LDS as a whole are a lot more level-headed than the tambourine bashers associated with the kind of beliefs K has been selling here. cn
Aw Fuck! My dog took a shit on The Great Salt Lake and so did I
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Hepheastus420
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I mean, what's unique or more dangerous about their religious beliefs than our previous president's religious beliefs?
MellowFarmer
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If you are speaking of the love your nieghbor type commercials I agree however they both originate from one person who claims to have been given a gift from the same god with no other collaboration. Mary, the gift of getting prego minus a sperm donor and Joseph (Smith) the gift of finding a reading tablets no one else could. I think you of all folks need just a tad more verification before you go and take 14 year old virgins on the altar!?
MellowFarmer
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Besides forcing 14 year olds to marry and fuck old dudes? I am saying they are all crazy but folks seem a lot more willing to see it with this one!
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
No worries. I would definitely verify virginity. cn
MellowFarmer
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If you believe in Judgment Day, I must seriously question your judgment.
If you believe you are in a relationship with an invisible space daddy, I can't vote for you.
Mitt Romney believes in spiritually blessed underwear that can protect him.
Just watch :
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[video=youtube_share;X78UnjdTzUw]http://youtu.be/X78UnjdTzUw[/video]
If you believe you are in a relationship with an invisible space daddy, I can't vote for you.
Mitt Romney believes in spiritually blessed underwear that can protect him.
Just watch :
:[video=youtube_share;X78UnjdTzUw]http://youtu.be/X78UnjdTzUw[/video]
Hepheastus420
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Whoah, that's really what mormons do? I was under the impression that they hated sex at least until they're 50 or some shit lol.
MellowFarmer
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I am trying to make sense of this LDS cn refers to not being the same but until then:
Warren Jeffs: Polygamist Leader Had Nearly 80 Wives, 24 Under Age 17, His Meticulous Records Show
WILL WEISSERT and PAUL J. WEBER 08/ 5/11 10:01 PM ET
Warren Jeffs , Yearning For Zion , Child Sexual Assault , Convicted , Eldorado , Flds , Mormon , Polygamist Leader , Polygamist Sect , Texas , Crime News
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SAN ANGELO, Texas A polygamist sect leader convicted of child sexual assault walked out of his sentencing hearing in protest Friday, after reading a statement he claimed was from God. The statement promised a "whirlwind of judgment" on the world if God's "humble servant" wasn't set free.
Warren Jeffs, 55, represented himself during an eight-day trial that ended with his conviction on two counts of sexual assault. The same jury must now decide his punishment which could be up to 119 years to life in prison.
But before the punishment phase began and jurors had even been brought back into court Friday, Jeffs said, "I request the full removal of myself as an objection to all that has been presented."
He asked to keep serving as his own attorney, but state District Judge Barbara Walther said he couldn't leave and continue to represent himself at the same time. Instead, she ordered two lawyers who had been Jeffs' standby counsel, Deric Walpole and Emily Munoz Detoto, to represent him.
"Mr. Jeffs, I know this is difficult for you to understand, but you do not have control over these proceedings," Walther said. Jeffs often stands in court and waits up to a full minute before speaking. He slowly and deliberately began responding, saying "I am . . .," but Walther ordered a recess.
Jeffs never returned to court, and the proceedings continued without him. Walther ordered jurors back to court Saturday to continue hearing testimony but indicated it still may be several days before the case will be handed back to them to decide the punishment.
Walpole said he didn't know if Jeffs would be present in the courtroom Saturday. Walpole wouldn't say whether he planned on calling any witnesses, but told jurors to keep in mind that Jeffs was raised in a strict, fundamentalist community that hasn't changed in centuries.
"He's a product of his environment," Walpole said.
Jeffs is the ecclesiastical head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which believes polygamy brings exaltation in heaven. The more than 10,000 FLDS members nationwide see Jeffs as a prophet who is God's spokesman on Earth.
Jeffs had asked to be taken back to jail, but Walther said that would make it too difficult for his lawyers to communicate with him. Instead, he was placed in a room near the court and will be allowed to return to the hearing whenever he chooses. The judge said Jeffs won't be able to dismiss his attorneys again and go back to defending himself, however.
He burned through a slate of seven high-powered attorneys, including Walpole and Detoto, in the six months before he decided to represent himself, and Walther said he did so in an effort to manipulate the court and stall the case against him.
Prosecutors' strategy during sentencing involves showing jurors evidence of Jeffs committing a slew of alleged crimes not mentioned during his trial.
For starters, Jeffs had 78 wives along with his legal spouse, and 24 of them were under age 17, said Eric Nichols, lead prosecutor for the Texas attorney general's office, which is handling the case. Nichols also said he would show that Jeffs committed six other sexual assaults and either witnessed or performed more than 500 polygamist marriages, as well as 67 other sect marriages involving underage girls.
Jeffs spent years evading arrest crisscrossing the country as a fugitive who eventually made the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list before his capture in 2006, Nichols said, and he excommunicated 60 church members he saw as a threat to his leadership, breaking up 300 families while stripping them of property and "reassigning" wives and children.
All of that is separate from the assaults on two girls, ages 12 and 15, that Jeffs was convicted of Thursday, after jurors deliberated for 3 1/2 hours. Prosecutors used DNA evidence to show Jeffs fathered a child with the older victim and played an audio recording of what they said was him sexually assaulting the younger one. They played other tapes in which Jeffs was heard instructing as many as a dozen of his young wives on how to please him sexually and thus, he told them, please God.
After Jeffs left the courtroom Friday, Nichols gave an opening statement, saying Jeffs was guilty of "a breathtaking quantity of criminal activity" as head of the FLDS.
"The defendant abused not only his position, but those religious views you've heard about as a means of satisfying his own personal greed, desires and appetites," Nichols said.
Walpole responded by saying Jeffs was raised in the church and couldn't betray his own religious tenets. Jeffs took over leadership of the FLDS from his father.
"He would rather go to prison than disagree with those beliefs," Walpole said. "He'd rather make a complete mess of this case."
He later told jurors, "you've shown you can be tough. Now it's time to show you can be fair."
Warren Jeffs: Polygamist Leader Had Nearly 80 Wives, 24 Under Age 17, His Meticulous Records Show
WILL WEISSERT and PAUL J. WEBER 08/ 5/11 10:01 PM ET
Warren Jeffs , Yearning For Zion , Child Sexual Assault , Convicted , Eldorado , Flds , Mormon , Polygamist Leader , Polygamist Sect , Texas , Crime News
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SAN ANGELO, Texas A polygamist sect leader convicted of child sexual assault walked out of his sentencing hearing in protest Friday, after reading a statement he claimed was from God. The statement promised a "whirlwind of judgment" on the world if God's "humble servant" wasn't set free.
Warren Jeffs, 55, represented himself during an eight-day trial that ended with his conviction on two counts of sexual assault. The same jury must now decide his punishment which could be up to 119 years to life in prison.
But before the punishment phase began and jurors had even been brought back into court Friday, Jeffs said, "I request the full removal of myself as an objection to all that has been presented."
He asked to keep serving as his own attorney, but state District Judge Barbara Walther said he couldn't leave and continue to represent himself at the same time. Instead, she ordered two lawyers who had been Jeffs' standby counsel, Deric Walpole and Emily Munoz Detoto, to represent him.
"Mr. Jeffs, I know this is difficult for you to understand, but you do not have control over these proceedings," Walther said. Jeffs often stands in court and waits up to a full minute before speaking. He slowly and deliberately began responding, saying "I am . . .," but Walther ordered a recess.
Jeffs never returned to court, and the proceedings continued without him. Walther ordered jurors back to court Saturday to continue hearing testimony but indicated it still may be several days before the case will be handed back to them to decide the punishment.
Walpole said he didn't know if Jeffs would be present in the courtroom Saturday. Walpole wouldn't say whether he planned on calling any witnesses, but told jurors to keep in mind that Jeffs was raised in a strict, fundamentalist community that hasn't changed in centuries.
"He's a product of his environment," Walpole said.
Jeffs is the ecclesiastical head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which believes polygamy brings exaltation in heaven. The more than 10,000 FLDS members nationwide see Jeffs as a prophet who is God's spokesman on Earth.
Jeffs had asked to be taken back to jail, but Walther said that would make it too difficult for his lawyers to communicate with him. Instead, he was placed in a room near the court and will be allowed to return to the hearing whenever he chooses. The judge said Jeffs won't be able to dismiss his attorneys again and go back to defending himself, however.
He burned through a slate of seven high-powered attorneys, including Walpole and Detoto, in the six months before he decided to represent himself, and Walther said he did so in an effort to manipulate the court and stall the case against him.
Prosecutors' strategy during sentencing involves showing jurors evidence of Jeffs committing a slew of alleged crimes not mentioned during his trial.
For starters, Jeffs had 78 wives along with his legal spouse, and 24 of them were under age 17, said Eric Nichols, lead prosecutor for the Texas attorney general's office, which is handling the case. Nichols also said he would show that Jeffs committed six other sexual assaults and either witnessed or performed more than 500 polygamist marriages, as well as 67 other sect marriages involving underage girls.
Jeffs spent years evading arrest crisscrossing the country as a fugitive who eventually made the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list before his capture in 2006, Nichols said, and he excommunicated 60 church members he saw as a threat to his leadership, breaking up 300 families while stripping them of property and "reassigning" wives and children.
All of that is separate from the assaults on two girls, ages 12 and 15, that Jeffs was convicted of Thursday, after jurors deliberated for 3 1/2 hours. Prosecutors used DNA evidence to show Jeffs fathered a child with the older victim and played an audio recording of what they said was him sexually assaulting the younger one. They played other tapes in which Jeffs was heard instructing as many as a dozen of his young wives on how to please him sexually and thus, he told them, please God.
After Jeffs left the courtroom Friday, Nichols gave an opening statement, saying Jeffs was guilty of "a breathtaking quantity of criminal activity" as head of the FLDS.
"The defendant abused not only his position, but those religious views you've heard about as a means of satisfying his own personal greed, desires and appetites," Nichols said.
Walpole responded by saying Jeffs was raised in the church and couldn't betray his own religious tenets. Jeffs took over leadership of the FLDS from his father.
"He would rather go to prison than disagree with those beliefs," Walpole said. "He'd rather make a complete mess of this case."
He later told jurors, "you've shown you can be tough. Now it's time to show you can be fair."
MellowFarmer
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Ok, looks like the fundamentalist extremists were kind enough to put the F into FDLS
from npr.org
"The Mormon Church, in general, means the church that is headquartered in Salt Lake City and founded by Joseph Smith," McBride notes. "So to use that word to describe a group that is not affiliated with the main Mormon Church naturally confused people."
The names of the two faiths alone lead to confusion. Mormons are formally known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The group now known as the FLDS formally adopted the name the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 1991. Mormons use the initials LDS. The polygamist group raided in Texas uses the initials FLDS.
Confusion may also stem from the fact that Mormons and FLDS polygamists share what historian Jan Shipps describes as a common religious tradition. Shipps is not Mormon, but she has spent 50 years studying Mormon history at Indiana University-Purdue University in Indianapolis.
Mormons and FLDS followers both "believe in Joseph Smith as the [founding] prophet," Shipps says. "They [both] accept the Book of Mormon. They share that much. And they even share a period of practicing plural marriage. That leads to the real confusion."
The Mormon abandonment of polygamy is also not as clean as Mormon leaders suggest. An 1890 "manifesto" did officially dispense with polygamy as a Mormon practice. But at least two of the highest-ranking Mormon leaders had multiple wives until 1904, according to Shipps, other historians and the congressional testimony of one of those leaders. Shipps also found historical documents showing that the practice was persistent among rank-and-file Mormons until 1919.
from npr.org
"The Mormon Church, in general, means the church that is headquartered in Salt Lake City and founded by Joseph Smith," McBride notes. "So to use that word to describe a group that is not affiliated with the main Mormon Church naturally confused people."
The names of the two faiths alone lead to confusion. Mormons are formally known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The group now known as the FLDS formally adopted the name the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 1991. Mormons use the initials LDS. The polygamist group raided in Texas uses the initials FLDS.
Confusion may also stem from the fact that Mormons and FLDS polygamists share what historian Jan Shipps describes as a common religious tradition. Shipps is not Mormon, but she has spent 50 years studying Mormon history at Indiana University-Purdue University in Indianapolis.
Mormons and FLDS followers both "believe in Joseph Smith as the [founding] prophet," Shipps says. "They [both] accept the Book of Mormon. They share that much. And they even share a period of practicing plural marriage. That leads to the real confusion."
The Mormon abandonment of polygamy is also not as clean as Mormon leaders suggest. An 1890 "manifesto" did officially dispense with polygamy as a Mormon practice. But at least two of the highest-ranking Mormon leaders had multiple wives until 1904, according to Shipps, other historians and the congressional testimony of one of those leaders. Shipps also found historical documents showing that the practice was persistent among rank-and-file Mormons until 1919.
bluntmassa1
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I don't know about you but I was thinking of a good old fashion gummer.lol
guy incognito
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Sounds like congressman Les Whinen needs to do more thinking, and less whining.