UncleBuck
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i am quite smug about the fact that our 30 years policy of trickle down has been an abject failure, and as anyone semi-intelligent person would do, i advocate scrapping failed policy.
why don't you?
so it's mitt romney and paul ryan
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why don't you?
ginwilly
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I'm all for scrapping failed policy, that's why I'm not voting for Obama.
Surely you can afford 3% more, why not send it in? It's perfectly legal to pay more than you have to. Looks like you are going to have a big harvest this year, you should donate 30% of your crop to the roll it up members who don't grow.
UncleBuck
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i'll be donating a shit ton of my crop to those that have helped me all season, my wife and my neighbors. anyone who trims gets a nice cut too. i keep advocating for uncle sam to take his fair share, but he says no.
i mean, i dopay taxes on the electric to power the fans, a hefty water bill to pay for the infrastructure that delivers the water, gas taxes for the roads i transported the lumber and material on, and property taxes to support the community in which i live. i would love to do more, and it may just happen this november. we have legalization on the ballot here, and i will be putting my money where my mouth is and voting for it even though it's a shitty bill. also, paid state taxes last year to help pay for whatever it is those state taxes go towards.
and by failed policy, i'm talking about a policy which has been in place for 8x longer than the current figurehead has: trickle down.
would you care to tell me about the successes of trickle down and why you continue to advocate for it? muyloco is too much of a pussy to do so, but perhaps you can take a stab at it.
ginwilly
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so you are saying you are willing to help those who helped you, but not some random in rollitup that doesn't grow? seems counter to how you want the rest of us to behave
Again, helping your own community but not mine. Please pay more to the IRS, somebody somewhere needs the money more than you do.
lol at continue to advocate for trickle down, find a post, even one where I say I'm for this. You can find posts where I advocate changing what we consider income, which would almost double the investment bankers tax. You can find posts where I say trickle up sure as hell won't work. I've been nothing but honest dealing with you, I would appreciate you return the favor.
I would love to see corporate tax rates chopped in half and the difference divided amongst the workers but I'm not willing make this a law because the rich will always have the advantage when it comes to accounting. What you are advocating has nothing to do with fixing the economy or you would have explained how. You want justice for people making more than you, it's a vendetta, it's what your Lord and Savior has told you to think, it's not an economic plan.
ChesusRice
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Becuase Obama wants to give all our money to black people
[video=youtube;j79YA1rRiWM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j79YA1rRiWM[/video]
ginwilly
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Romney will continue what Obama has continued. These guys have been bought and paid for and will continue to act in their own best interest. They needed the middle class to be prosperous when we were an industrial nation so we could buy the shit we made. As we have become a more service oriented country moving away from making swizzle sticks the working class has lost importance to those with power.
Why don't you send more to the IRS yourself?
Why don't you send more to the IRS yourself?
ChesusRice
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Percentage wise I do more than Romney
and the oligarchs you support
UncleBuck
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that's because 99% of people in the medical program are not in any serious pain or need, they just want to get high. hell, i wish people would just give me free beer, but it ain't happening. the very few people (person) i know that actually uses weed to eat and sleep in her battle over cancer is my neighbor, and she gets it at cost, about $2 a gram. when the outdoor comes in, she will likely get about a year supply for free.
i did pay the IRS, they sent me back a check. not my fault, blame tax policy.
UncleBuck
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not many people are going to do that if they don't have to. meanwhile, income inequality will continue to increase to pre great depression levels, the most awesomest indicator of an awesome economy evarrrrrrrr.
ginwilly
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I pay more than he does too. I want to change that by redefining income, you want to raise his rates. How does yours increase what he pays? You claim you have answered this question several times yet you have not, not once. I probably paid a higher rate than Boxer and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank. You have to be a clueless idiot who just parrots what they are told on MSNBC to think Obama's proposal would change the rates the uber rich pay.
ginwilly
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A lot of us are not screaming for DC to have increased revenues, most of us want them to quit spending so damn much.
You want to increase revenues yet you are not willing to increase your contribution. You want to do it on the backs of others without making that sacrifice yourself. That's gross. Be a leader man, set an example, send a check.
ChesusRice
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Raise rates?
for a start I want them to go back to what they were
The Bush tax cuts were supposed to be temporary
I'm tired of the Republican plan to "strangle the goverment"
All it has done is SUffocate the middle class
UncleBuck
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ummm, i make less than poverty. you just advocated the paul ryan plan, raising taxes on those at poverty level.
the goal i snot to increase revenues, although that would be handy in helping us reign in our deficit. the goal is to prevent and reverse the rise in income inequality that is turning this shit into a plutocracy.
ginwilly
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So if they go back to pre Fed days when there were no income tax that wouldn't be a cut? Obama stood in front of the cameras and told us why he needed to keep these rates in place. They became his tax rates at that moment. At some point you have to stop blaming Bush and man up and take ownership of your own decisions.
I think Laffer had it right with his bell curve and there is a possibility we may be below this curve. IDK enough to say one way or the other. If rates need to go up, we all need to have some skin in the game. Just targeting the rich has been shown to appeal to our envious nature but it doesn't make it right or even helpful. If we were in a war I believed in, I'd buy war bonds to help pay for it. For what they've shown me, they deserve no more money from me, in fact, the amount I pay far outweighs the cost of services I use.
Saying we are not raising taxes, we are just letting them go back to year X is so dishonest. No tax rates have been permanent since our inception if you haven't noticed.
ginwilly
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You make less than poverty by choice, you've admitted that. You live the lifestyle you choose yet you want to punish those who took a different path.
The income disparity is a concern, no argument there. I'm not sure raising taxes on those making 250K is the answer though. It's much more complex than that. The uber rich have been able utilize a global market in their favor and we as a country have been left behind. When a state tries to draw in jobs they offer tax breaks, the federal government raises them and wonders where the jobs went.
You enjoy the same benefits as those who grind everyday without having to do the same. You should pay more.
UncleBuck
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gee, ya think?