If Tax cuts create jobs

[lifegoesonbrah]

years of tax cuts with Bushy and we actually lost jobs doing and after that time

Oh ok so it was the Bush tax cuts that collapsed the housing market, then?

 

[londonfog]

Oh ok so it was the Bush tax cuts that collapsed the housing market, then?

I'm talking about tax cut creating jobs...If this is so what happened to the jobs when Bush did his tax cuts..Stay your Ron Paul ass on topic.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

I'm talking about tax cut creating jobs...If this is so what happened to the jobs when Bush did his tax cuts..Stay your Ron Paul ass on topic.

Are you suggesting the economy tanked because of tax cuts? You are arguing if A then B. If the Bush tax cuts were implemented and the economy tanked, then it must have been the Bush tax cuts that caused the problem? How do you tie cause and effect together.

I am arguing from a philosophical standpoint because I want to avoid jumping to conclusions like this. If you can argue an economic theory that supports tax increases being good for a productive society that would be great.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

I bet the founders never envisioned a society that would argue for tax increases on themselves and then complain about what the government does with the money...

You lefties have such an ass backwards economic philosophy its not even funny.

 

[cannabineer]

The founders lived in economically very different times. We were a country rich in surface resources, mostly lumber. We had a huge market for it in Europe. We're no longer an agrarian/mining economy. cn

 

[MuyLocoNC]

You find an item that is easily corrected (preservation of future budget by exhausting the present one) and claim that this is the reason government is evil.

At the same time you don't mention the fact that health insurance "produces nothing", health insurance companies do nothing but as you said, watch the bottom line - usually at the expense of the people they insure. Now why would I want to have the option of selecting one health insurance company that does nothing productive over another - that does nothing productive? Even if the insurance companies themselves were to encourage that which they do not.

1. Actually, that's just ONE reason not to have government any more intrusive that humanly possible. Waste is a problem, that's for sure, but it's just a small part of why we should be massively reducing the size of the Federal government instead of expanding it.

2. I never said government produces nothing. The federal government has a clear and easily defined role to play in this countries affairs. If contained to those specific roles, they produce that which no individual or state could hope to produce. A massive standing army as one example. The problem is when we start expanding the size and scope beyond that which it was designed. Medical insurance if left alone and not forced to be "health care", serves a very specific need, and it could be quite affordable in that capacity. But, that wonderful government intrusion forces them to stop being an insurance provider and transforms them into something completely different.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

The founders lived in economically very different times. We were a country rich in surface resources, mostly lumber. We had a huge market for it in Europe. We're no longer an agrarian/mining economy. cn

Irrelevant sir, taxes are nothing new.

 

[londonfog]

Are you suggesting the economy tanked because of tax cuts? You are arguing if A then B. If the Bush tax cuts were implemented and the economy tanked, then it must have been the Bush tax cuts that caused the problem? How do you tie cause and effect together.

I am arguing from a philosophical standpoint because I want to avoid jumping to conclusions like this. If you can argue an economic theory that supports tax increases being good for a productive society that would be great.

I'm arguing that Bush did tax cuts that create ZERO jobs..I think that's whats this thread is about...tax cuts creating jobs....are you playing stupid or just being "Ron Paul"

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

I'm arguing that Bush did tax cuts that create ZERO jobs..I think that's whats this thread is about...tax cuts creating jobs....are you playing stupid or just being "Ron Paul"

I'm trying to avoid empty arguments like this. Please explain how higher taxes create more jobs.

 

[Grandpapy]

The increase in healthcare lobbyist and health insurance rates being politicized should work out great. LOL.

I was a Blue Cross customer for 12 years, paying 893 p/m w/ 5000 deductable, I Injured my shoulder while working, needed 3 anchors to tie everything back together, 3 months later my payment jumped to 1259 p/m.
On a check up my Dr. says we need to do a follow up, "the mri found some spots on your lungs" 2 months later another increase of 182.
this was too much for for me to pay, and as soon as I was 7 days late they dropped me like a Bill in Congress providing free health care for all!
Not saying it is wrong of them, But Health Ins. shouldn't cost more then your home.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

Maybe you guys could lobby to pay higher taxes, give the government more money, then have a war protest.

 

[canndo]

I am arguing from a philosophical standpoint because I want to avoid jumping to conclusions like this. If you can argue an economic theory that supports tax increases being good for a productive society that would be great.

The Laffer curve is a very accurate picture of the results of various tax rates. If a part of a "productive society" is the production of our government, then I can easily argue such a theory.

 

[cannabineer]

Irrelevant sir, taxes are nothing new.

I'm arguing regarding the base for those taxes. That has shifted, and will continue to do so, away from our former strengths. I've seen a call for a return to 18th-century jurisprudence on this thread, and am responding to that. cn

 

[canndo]

I was a Blue Cross customer for 12 years, paying 893 p/m w/ 5000 deductable, I Injured my shoulder while working, needed 3 anchors to tie everything back together, 3 months later my payment jumped to 1259 p/m.
On a check up my Dr. says we need to do a follow up, "the mri found some spots on your lungs" 2 months later another increase of 182.
this was too much for for me to pay, and as soon as I was 7 days late they dropped me like a Bill in Congress providing free health care for all!
Not saying it is wrong of them, But Health Ins. shouldn't cost more then your home.

Oh but government health would implement death panels and rationing and .... LINES! oh no. I got a kidney stone, the doc gave me pain pills (no - pot did not ease the pain, oxy did) and a prescription for flowmax. My premium went up. The insurance company presumed that since I was taking (even if only temporarily) flomax here must be something wrong with my prostate. health insurance companies are evil. Those who are "happy" with their insurance have either never used it for anything other than a cold or they are in a group plan.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

The Laffer curve is a very accurate picture of the results of various tax rates. If a part of a "productive society" is the production of our government, then I can easily argue such a theory.

Correct me if Im wrong, but that curve shows how efficient taxes can be, it does not argue that taxes themselves are efficient. It just shows the most efficient tax rates. How are taxes efficient for getting people consumables that they need more so than freedom?

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

I'm arguing regarding the base for those taxes. That has shifted, and will continue to do so, away from our former strengths. I've seen a call for a return to 18th-century jurisprudence on this thread, and am responding to that. cn

How has the reasoning, or the justification for taxes changed? Taxes are for war, wealth redistribution, and car/horse elevators for politicians

 

[UncleBuck]

Where are the fucking tax cuts?

why are you playing dumb? you don't need to, you already are.

 

[UncleBuck]

If stimulus packages and 0% interest rates created jobs where are they?

note what happens after february 2009, right after the stimulus is passed.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

note what happens after february 2009, right after the stimulus is passed.

 

[UncleBuck]

How could you guys possibly argue that tax increases create jobs?

who said that?

go back and read the thread. the thread asked a question: if tax cuts for the "job creators" creates jobs, where are they?

you are pathetically trying to reframe the position. as pathetic as ron's "revolution".