superstoner1
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botanicare pure blend pro grow 3-2-4 is NOT a complete fert?
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superstoner1
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i have the pbp grow, bloom, and bloom for soil(last 3 weeks of flower) and i only grow in aero in dwc. as for additives i use liquid karma, silica blast, aquashield, sweet,calmag, and hydroplex. i have found through trial and error a very good recipe that is much lower in overall usage and have had great responses from a bunch who have tried it. having a bunch of jugs may not be worth it to some but you also need to design and build your grow to make it easier for you, this includes proper tools for everything. i can drain, rinse, fill with water and measure out all nutes in 10-12mins and this is using a 50gal res and includes adjusting ph. my nute cost from veg to harvest is less than a dollar per ounce of premium weed. thats worth it to me. if you would like to see a recipe breakdown it is in my thread, my 3 stages of flower, in hydroponics.
Lucius Vorenus
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Wouldn't doubt it. I gave their "1 part" CNS17 a run this last cycle and hated it. HAd deficiencies all over the place. I am going back to dry powders for sure. MAxibloom and or HYdro Research
Yeah!! That's what made me buy it in the first place because it was advertised as a "1 part" fert! That's really false advertising because thi isn't a 1 part feet at all. I was a noob when it got it and the hydro store guy said it would be all I need.
Funny thing about it though is that I grew with miracle gro and this stuff my first grow and it did amazingly well. I just thought the miracle gro sucked when in fact it was helping the botanicare with trace nutrients and and Pbp grow was helping the miracle gro ferts in calcium,magnesium, silica, and humic acid. Never tried to grow with just Pbp grow until now and bam, the defs start to stack up.
The only def I ran into with mg was magnesium ( 10 days into it) and bought some epsom salts. I didn't use ro water cuz I was too broke and I didn't have hydro nutes at that time due to the same reasonis. This is why I believe my plants aren't looking bad due to my water. I gave seedlings 100 ppm mg just like this time I gave 100 ppm pbp grow
Lucius Vorenus
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I will keep using Botanicares Cal Mag but thats about it. The whole CNS17 line left me a bit flat.
superstoner1
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if you ask me thats like using a third string quarterback to start the superbowl and firing him because he loses. use the pure blend pro, its their first stringer.
homebrewer
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Is there a reason you've used a convoluted analogy here when you could have just said what makes PBP 'their first stringer' in terms that better relate to growing plants?
superstoner1
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or i could have just said what i did and everybody but the most snobby of us would get it. do your own learning, im done teaching.
you can use their first stringer but "he" doesn't have all the necessary ingredients. When I run out of pbp i'm going to use superthrive, mg,humic acid, calcium cloride, epsom salts and some 0 ppm water. thats my team. Whats yours?
eDude
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Ok, let's get some things straight.
Pure Blend Pro is not a 'complete' nutrient. But, that's not to say that the missing elements are not found in everyday tap water. Botanicare states that if you use RO water with PBP that you should use their Cal Mag Plus along with it. I can only assume this is because they assumed you'd be getting other minerals from your tap water. Someone metioned EJ micro blast. That's a great one to go along with it.
CNS 17 is their cheap-o brand. Commercial Nutrient System and was brought out to be afordable solution for very very large growers. Not their flagship. They tried a calcium encapsulation thing to do a way with the need to add Cal-mag. If you haven't seen it.. it's thick and white like snot.. Hated mixing that stuff..
SuperThrive can super suck it. Pass on that, you don't need it.
homebrewer
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What teaching have you done in this thread? You've mentioned flavor, aroma and yield. You've also mentioned that you use the base and 6 additives. What makes PBP the 'first stringer' in Botanicare's line?
hmm.. never tried pbp with tap water but I will try that out. What I find funny about the whole botanicare states" if you use pbp with ro water you should use cal mag" thing is that pbp has calcium and magnesium in it. I have actually done grows wit just mg + pbp grow and distilled water they came out very well. This was during the time that Pure blend pro grow had potassium silicate and humic acid in it, now it just had humic acid in it.
Ok, let's get some things straight.
Pure Blend Pro is not a 'complete' nutrient. But, that's not to say that the missing elements are not found in everyday tap water. Botanicare states that if you use RO water with PBP that you should use their Cal Mag Plus along with it. I can only assume this is because they assumed you'd be getting other minerals from your tap water. Someone metioned EJ micro blast. That's a great one to go along with it.
CNS 17 is their cheap-o brand. Commercial Nutrient System and was brought out to be afordable solution for very very large growers. Not their flagship. They tried a calcium encapsulation thing to do a way with the need to add Cal-mag. If you haven't seen it.. it's thick and white like snot.. Hated mixing that stuff..
SuperThrive can super suck it. Pass on that, you don't need it.
why do I bring up potassium silicate? before I was using pbp grow, i was just using tap water,mg, and epsom salts. plants thrived but in flowering those damn spider mites were all over the place. asked the hydro guy what can I do about this and he suggested neem oil. they didnt have any in stock so I was about to head out of the store. I remembered that I wanted to get some more nutes as my mg is getting low so he suggested pure blend pro grow. while waiting for neem oil to come in the mail, I started mixing mg and pbp grow together and noticed something... the very next morning, I didnt see any significant improvement but I did notice that the damage from the spidermites has stopped. over the past few days the plants thrived and the spidermite issue was non existent. Now I got some never been used neem oil that is sitting in my garage.
for example...
http://www.hydroponics-garden.com/pure-blend-pro-grow-250-gal.html
Derived From: Fish meal, composted sea bird guano, sea kelp, spirulina, soybean protein extract, rock phosphate, potassium carbonate, humic acid*, fulvic acid, citric acid*, raw sugar cane*, agrimineral 72 (silica clay extract)*.
their "new and improved version" is Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate.
notice the difference?
superthrive can indeed suck if you use too much. I have seen growers mess up their grows with it. I use 5 ml per gal throughout the whole grow except when i flush in the final week. Then that water goes on my tomato plants and boy do they love it. talk about 9 foot tomato plants!!! I probably don't need superthrive but since I got it on clearance at the hydro store i figure I might as well use it.
Clown Baby
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I've had plants do fine in hydro with just PBP grow as a base.. I do add liquid kelp....
That being said, when im growing out seeds and selecting my keepers i always throw out the picky eaters. They might end up as the best smoke but I'd rather have my grows be hassle free
That being said, when im growing out seeds and selecting my keepers i always throw out the picky eaters. They might end up as the best smoke but I'd rather have my grows be hassle free
eDude
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O yeah, I forgot about the juggling of the Humic. In Karma then not in Karma.. lol
Were you in soil? That would be an obvious source of the 'other' minerals. If not, I don't know what to tell ya. Just goes to show that not everything is black and white. Yes, I do think the silicate helped ya out there. I didn't know they had them in there. Now it's in the silicate blast I guess. When it comes to these elements they are generally liberal with the application. 80% of peoples plants might not have a problem but 99% will not have a problem if they use X so just recommend X and most everyone will be happy. I little cal mag never hurt anyone.. lol I like the idea of skipping the tap and going with RO. Then you have a good repeatable, easy to pH, base to start out with. Cal-Mag plus or EJ's Micro Blast is more soluble and possibly more attractive to the plant.
eDude
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Sea weed extracts are rich in microelements. Lots of good stuff in there. Seaplex is a good one.
eDude
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O and superthrive..
Just try to read their label.. lol Do you know why it's like that after all these years? Cause they can't change it.. That whole label is grandfathered in from BEFORE the truth in advertising laws. So, if they change anything (other then the price and a few small things) they have to bring the whole thing 'up to code' like an old house. So, they just let it fly like it is.. Made in the horticulture mecca of .. Hollywood California.. They are a vitamin company and this is their 'excess' or waste not for humans.
Looks like they are trying for a new label now.. lol
http://www.superthrive.com/VOTE.html
Once the new one comes out, you'll see how many less claims it can make.
http://www.superthrive.com/gallon.html
Just try to read their label.. lol Do you know why it's like that after all these years? Cause they can't change it.. That whole label is grandfathered in from BEFORE the truth in advertising laws. So, if they change anything (other then the price and a few small things) they have to bring the whole thing 'up to code' like an old house. So, they just let it fly like it is.. Made in the horticulture mecca of .. Hollywood California.. They are a vitamin company and this is their 'excess' or waste not for humans.
Looks like they are trying for a new label now.. lol
http://www.superthrive.com/VOTE.html
Once the new one comes out, you'll see how many less claims it can make.
http://www.superthrive.com/gallon.html
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thenotsoesoteric
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Old thread but just for those wondering yes pbp and cal/mag are complete fertilizers as far as growing huge dank tasty nugs. All I used on this grow was the same bottle of pbp grow for hydro and GH cal/mag. No additives but I think next time I will try adding bloom formula as well.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/critical-dream-star.862828/page-3
https://www.rollitup.org/t/critical-dream-star.862828/page-3
CoralMafia
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I have used 2 nutrient lines recently one was Advanced Nutrients the other being Botanicare. Personally to me Botanicare has won out in every way. I do use there PBP line with PBP grow, PBP bloom, Cal Mag, Hydroguard, Hydroplex, Sweet, Vitamino, Liquid Karma, and Silica Blast. And i know it seems like alot but you dont need much and i uave had great results, Not to Mention i am running HYDRO. Anyhow not sure about it being a complete fertilizer but when I mix all the parts it turns out very nice for me and isn't that all that we're looking for is what works for them and turns out good for them? My garden at 5 weeks,
