What is the ratio of "welfare queens" v. those truly in need?

Oh there's abuse it takes less than a day in a public housing sector to see it. The problem is no one is looking for it and or turning a blind eye. Remember the outrage for requiring drug testing? Think if someone really tried to put common sense requirements up it would be political suicide.
 
NLXSK1 said:
Star Parker who is a TV celebrity now was on welfare for 7 years in CA. She wrote a book about it and the welfare culture. Around the time that Clinton instituted workfare she got off her ass and made a celebrity out of herself.

That is a fact, not an ancedotal story.
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Really? So because someone writes an autobiography (anecdotal) it makes your claim a solid absolute? Good to know. I'm so glad we have you here. What WOULD we do without you? ::batting eyelashes::
 
beenthere said:
Well if it got her ass off welfare, WTF do you think?
Damn Carne, ya having a hard time in here without cannbineer dragging you by the collar? LOL
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Is it hell still being a virgin at 35? My God, I'm sure even a dog won't hump your leg. The vitriol you spew can only be born from sexual frustration and debilitating envy. Your fat little fingers are tapping furiously on the keyboard trying to justify your pudgy existence. Don't worry. When the pimples clear up and the yeast infection has been eradicated (smelling like rising buttermilk dough is not an aphrodisiac), give dating a try again. I would try dating outside of the species if I were you. You'll have a much better chance.
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Do we have any data on those numbers? The people who simply abuse government assistance v. those that work everyday and truly need it?

If not, what % do you feel out of the entire American population, 325 million +, make up the "abuse" category? What evidence or proof do you have to justify your opinion?
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Oh yeah well, how many people get away with stealing every year? and no anecdotal or first hand experiences, I want facts buddy, and a nice pie chart.
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Every system has the potential for abuse. How do we limit it?
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by doing this stuff through community organizations and charities and not the god awful government who is horrible at everything it does because it is not held accountable properly and hires employees who don't give a fuck cause they work for the shitty ass government and get handout checks. People need to be passionate about their jobs and firms need to have accountability and competition.
 
beenthere said:
IMO, they do not want to limit it, my niece works for a city in the Bay Area (public housing) she's been there for eight years. She tell us stories all the time about the abuse and admits the higher ups are not concerned with accountability, stating enforcement is not their job, pretty damn sad if you ask me.
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Did you tell her she's a government leech mooching off your tax money?
 
deprave said:
by doing this stuff through community organizations and charities and not the god awful government who is horrible at everything it does because it is not held accountable properly and hires employees who don't give a fuck cause they work for the shitty ass government and get handout checks. People need to be passionate about their jobs and firms need to have accountability and competition.
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Local charities tried and failed, the government stepped in. I suppose for you there's always the negative income tax polices of Milton Friedman.
 
Fungus Gnat said:
Local charities tried and failed, the government stepped in. I suppose for you there's always the negative income tax polices of Milton Friedman.
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I don't believe local charities failed for one minute, but it sounds like a cool story to explain why government is needed.
 
beenthere said:
Perhaps you misread my last post, she isn't a recipient, she works in public housing.
But you still bring up a good point!
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Then she is a government worker or relies on the government for employment. Just pointing out that you should be consistent.
 
beenthere said:
I don't believe local charities failed for one minute, but it sounds like a cool story to explain why government is needed.
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They were totally inadequate, the starvation army was one of the more common jokes. I'm not saying they don't serve a purpose, just that they're not as effective as government policy.
 
Fungus Gnat said:
They were totally inadequate, the starvation army was one of the more common jokes. I'm not saying they don't serve a purpose, just that they're not as effective as government policy.
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Nay bro, you said they failed then government stepped in.
And i don't see it the same way you do, I think government does a poor job when it comes down to it.
 
Fungus Gnat said:
Well get on the phone and berate her for being a mooch then. Chop, chop.
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LOL Why would I do that, she does her job, she does what government tells her to do.
When a business sells a product and that product causes physical harm to a consumer, should we call employees up and berate them, should we file a lawsuit against the employees??
Is that what you are saying?

You might be on to something here, by using your reasoning, we could hold all employees accountable.
 
beenthere said:
Nay bro, you said they failed then government stepped in.
And i don't see it the same way you do, I think government does a poor job when it comes down to it.
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They did fail to improve things, you cannot look at welfare programs and not say they haven't improved the lives of Americans. You bitch about perfection when it's an impossibility even in the private sector.
What the data reveal is striking: nearly all Americans — 96 percent — have relied on the federal government to assist them. Young adults, who are not yet eligible for many policies, account for most of the remaining 4 percent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ceive-government-benefits/?wprss=rss_business
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At some point in their life nearly everyone has benefited from government programs. Even you, you welfare queen.
 
beenthere said:
LOL Why would I do that, she does her job, she does what government tells her to do.
When a business sells a product and that product causes physical harm to a consumer, should we call employees up and berate them, should we file a lawsuit against the employees??
Is that what you are saying?

You might be on to something here, by using your reasoning, we could hold all employees accountable.
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You bitch about the government all day long here about how it doesn't create jobs, yet your own family works for it and for a welfare program to boot.
 
Ok, so a person who does not work with 4 kids would NEED welfare, yet at the same time, the question becomes...
If a person needs welfare why do they have 4 kids?

Mother: Girl, you need to hurry up and have a baby so you can start getting YOUR checks.
16 year old daughter: I was looking at taking some classes at (local university) after highschool.
Mother: That ain't going to pay no bills.

Within a month 16 year old girl was pregnant.
I would like to say this is an isolated incident, but its not. In some communities this is how people live and how they think about things.
They have been born into these conditions and never strive to remove themselves from it, only to continue living how they were raised.
It will not change until the parents change, but the parents arent going to change because thats how they were raised. These communities are all over America and are made up of wide diversities of people, from the trailer parks to the ghettos to the reservations.
 
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