Well, there's two types of outdoor. Outlaw gorilla growing and lawful Nor Cal growing. When you're able to tend outdoor plants like indoor plants and have the beautiful Northern California weather working for you it's closer to growing indoors for the most part. I just wanted to say how nice Subs plants look outdoors. I was able to see structure even though they had a late start. Absolutely beautiful looking hybrids that I'm used to seeing on my end. I'm convinced Sub is just one of those guys who are able to assess new plants as keepers or not very quickly and on instinct and keeps his standards very high. The Oregon Blue had some nice frost and color. The frost tended to be concentrated on the bud tips but appeared very large.