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Prisoner #56802

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SO, this election over and I need a hiatus from politics 4 a while! I am totally burned out on the issues! I would like to see some progress happen while I'm not paying attention to US Politics 4 a while! I can tell U 1 thing - I'm hoping 4 MORE gay rights from Obama and MORE Tolerance towards cannabis on a National level

Until then, here's a video clip from Monty Python ...A Spoof about Election Night! A must see clip!!

:)

[video=youtube;31FFTx6AKmU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU[/video]
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
SO, this election over and I need a hiatus from politics 4 a while! I am totally burned out on the issues! I would like to see some progress happen while I'm not paying attention to US Politics 4 a while! I can tell U 1 thing - I'm hoping 4 MORE gay rights from Obama and MORE Tolerance towards cannabis on a National level

Until then, here's a video clip from Monty Python ...A Spoof about Election Night! A must see clip!!

:)

[video=youtube;31FFTx6AKmU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU[/video]
Name specifically the "MOAR gay rights" you'd like, in bulletform or a list or whatever.

I always hear people say "we want more rights", but never someone list specifically what they want to happen.
 

spandy

Well-Known Member
The only right I can think of that they are still restricted from is marriage. But I honestly don't know, just all I could think of at the moment. Maybe thats it?
 

Prisoner #56802

New Member
Name specifically the "MOAR gay rights" you'd like, in bulletform or a list or whatever.

I always hear people say "we want more rights", but never someone list specifically what they want to happen.
Ummmm, UH; let's see....... I like the Gay Rights that say GLBT's can not be discriminated against or segregated at work, for starters.....your turn: what rights do U want 2 take away from the GLBT'S

:)
 

spandy

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Everyone already has the right to not be discriminated against. Just still alot of assholes left in the world is all, and you can't make that illegal.

Segregation? Where is this happening still? Again, this might fall more in the people acting like assholes category. It's illegal to segregate anyone, atleast knowingly.

And I thought the official abbreviation was "LGBT"
 

Harrekin

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Ummmm, UH; let's see....... I like the Gay Rights that say GLBT's can not be discriminated against or segregated at work, for starters.....your turn: what rights do U want 2 take away from the GLBT'S

:)
Point rejected, there is no "segregation".

Gimme a list dammit, Im a libertarian, tell me what would need fixing should my party magically take over.
 

spandy

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How can you possibly know that when all he has asked you to do is to name your demands?!

How about I ask instead? Im pro-everyone is equal no matter what, so what rights do you feel the American people are specifially depriving the LGBT community of, aside from the right to marry?

Really, I'm curious, I thought other than marriage, that there was no other "rights" they were being deprived of. Enlighten me if there really are rights being denied.
 

Harrekin

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I made my point - I'm not here to argue. You don't care to debate me. U juat wanna say that U R right and I am wrong


piss off!

I specifically asked for you to give me a list of the "gay rights" you want.

This is my point, you don't even know the specific things YOU want changed, how do you expect ANY politican to just magically know what you want if you don't know yourself?

You argument needs to be less of a whiney "give us rights" and more "these are specifically the issues effecting gay people in America today, "The We hate Faggots Act" needs to be repealed, marriage equality for all by changing "The Marriage Act" , etc".

Educate your argument and it becomes hard NOT to listen.
 

Carne Seca

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Well for one, I'd like to be able to donate blood. I would love to take part in the Boy Scouts again. I was a damn good scout. Stuff like that.
 

UncleBuck

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...discriminated against or segregated at work...
great point. only a handful of states protect sexual orientation, not many more protect gender identity.

this means that in most of the united states, you CAN be fired simply for being gay and have no recourse whatsoever.

so someone please tell me again about how gays just want "special rights".



Everyone already has the right to not be discriminated against. Just still alot of assholes left in the world is all, and you can't make that illegal.

Segregation? Where is this happening still? Again, this might fall more in the people acting like assholes category. It's illegal to segregate anyone, atleast knowingly.

And I thought the official abbreviation was "LGBT"
first part, false, you are either either dumb on this issue or lying. hanlon's razor dictates that you are probably just unaware that gays can be discriminated against in the workplace just for what they do when they get home with the person they love.

and yes, you can make it illegal to be an asshole based on being an asshole against someone just because of how they were born. we already have.

and the term is LGBTQ. take a guess at what the Q at the end stands for.

Point rejected, there is no "segregation".

Gimme a list dammit, Im a libertarian, tell me what would need fixing should my party magically take over.
start with workplace discrimination.

gays are segregated to face discrimination in the workplace. this is an issue on which i am glad there exists a federal government to keep certain states from enforcing their ass backwards views, on certain people. this is why i exalt the 14th amendment.
 

UncleBuck

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so what rights do you feel the American people are specifially depriving the LGBT community of, aside from the right to marry?

Really, I'm curious, I thought other than marriage, that there was no other "rights" they were being deprived of. Enlighten me if there really are rights being denied.
dude, he already named workplace rights!

you must be higher or dumber than all holy fuck not to have read what he wrote. being gay or transgendered can cost you your job in a majority of states.

did you not know this?
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
great point. only a handful of states protect sexual orientation, not many more protect gender identity.

this means that in most of the united states, you CAN be fired simply for being gay and have no recourse whatsoever.

so someone please tell me again about how gays just want "special rights".





first part, false, you are either either dumb on this issue or lying. hanlon's razor dictates that you are probably just unaware that gays can be discriminated against in the workplace just for what they do when they get home with the person they love.

and yes, you can make it illegal to be an asshole based on being an asshole against someone just because of how they were born. we already have.

and the term is LGBTQ. take a guess at what the Q at the end stands for.



start with workplace discrimination.

gays are segregated to face discrimination in the workplace. this is an issue on which i am glad there exists a federal government to keep certain states from enforcing their ass backwards views, on certain people. this is why i exalt the 14th amendment.
Ok so workplace equality needs to he fixed in some states.

Next?
 

Carne Seca

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Death: If a couple is not married and one partner dies, the other partner is not entitled to bereavement leave from work, to file wrongful death claims, to draw the Social Security of the deceased partner, or to automatically inherit a shared home, assets, or personal items in the absence of a will.

Debts: Unmarried partners do not generally have responsibility for each other's debt.

Divorce: Unmarried couples do not have access to the courts, structure, or guidelines in times of break-up, including rules for how to handle shared property, child support, and alimony, or protecting the weaker party and kids.

Family leave: Unmarried couples are often not covered by laws and policies that permit people to take medical leave to care for a sick spouse or for the kids
.
Health: Unlike spouses, unmarried partners are usually not considered next of kin for the purposes of hospital visitation and emergency medical decisions. In addition, they can't cover their families on their health plans without paying taxes on the coverage, nor are they eligible for Medicare and Medicaid coverage.

Housing: Denied marriage, couples of lesser means are not recognized and thus can be denied or disfavored in their applications for public housing.

Immigration: U.S. residency and family unification are not available to an unmarried partner from another country.

Inheritance: Unmarried surviving partners do not automatically inherit property should their loved one die without a will, nor do they get legal protection for inheritance rights such as elective share or bypassing the hassles and expenses of probate court.

Insurance: Unmarried partners can't always sign up for joint home and auto insurance. In addition, many employers don't cover domestic partners or their biological or non-biological children in their health insurance plans.

Portability: Unlike marriages, which are honored in all states and countries, domestic partnerships and other alternative mechanisms only exist in a few states and countries, are not given any legal acknowledgment in most, and leave families without the clarity and security of knowing what their legal status and rights will be.

Parenting: Unmarried couples are denied the automatic right to joint parenting, joint adoption, joint foster care, and visitation for non-biological parents. In addition, the children of unmarried couples are denied the guarantee of child support and an automatic legal relationship to both parents, and are sometimes sent a wrongheaded but real negative message about their own status and family.

Privilege: Unmarried couples are not protected against having to testify against each other in judicial proceedings, and are also usually denied the coverage in crime victims counseling and protection programs afforded married couples.

Property: Unmarried couples are excluded from special rules that permit married couples to buy and own property together under favorable terms, rules that protect married couples in their shared homes and rules regarding the distribution of the property in the event of death or divorce.

Retirement: In addition to being denied access to shared or spousal benefits through Social Security as well as coverage under Medicare and other programs, unmarried couples are denied withdrawal rights and protective tax treatment given to spouses with regard to IRA's and other retirement plans.

Taxes: Unmarried couples cannot file joint tax returns and are excluded from tax benefits and claims specific to marriage. In addition, they are denied the right to transfer property to one another and pool the family's resources without adverse tax consequences.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Death: If a couple is not married and one partner dies, the other partner is not entitled to bereavement leave from work, to file wrongful death claims, to draw the Social Security of the deceased partner, or to automatically inherit a shared home, assets, or personal items in the absence of a will.

Debts: Unmarried partners do not generally have responsibility for each other's debt.

Divorce: Unmarried couples do not have access to the courts, structure, or guidelines in times of break-up, including rules for how to handle shared property, child support, and alimony, or protecting the weaker party and kids.

Family leave: Unmarried couples are often not covered by laws and policies that permit people to take medical leave to care for a sick spouse or for the kids
.
Health: Unlike spouses, unmarried partners are usually not considered next of kin for the purposes of hospital visitation and emergency medical decisions. In addition, they can't cover their families on their health plans without paying taxes on the coverage, nor are they eligible for Medicare and Medicaid coverage.

Housing: Denied marriage, couples of lesser means are not recognized and thus can be denied or disfavored in their applications for public housing.

Immigration: U.S. residency and family unification are not available to an unmarried partner from another country.

Inheritance: Unmarried surviving partners do not automatically inherit property should their loved one die without a will, nor do they get legal protection for inheritance rights such as elective share or bypassing the hassles and expenses of probate court.

Insurance: Unmarried partners can't always sign up for joint home and auto insurance. In addition, many employers don't cover domestic partners or their biological or non-biological children in their health insurance plans.

Portability: Unlike marriages, which are honored in all states and countries, domestic partnerships and other alternative mechanisms only exist in a few states and countries, are not given any legal acknowledgment in most, and leave families without the clarity and security of knowing what their legal status and rights will be.

Parenting: Unmarried couples are denied the automatic right to joint parenting, joint adoption, joint foster care, and visitation for non-biological parents. In addition, the children of unmarried couples are denied the guarantee of child support and an automatic legal relationship to both parents, and are sometimes sent a wrongheaded but real negative message about their own status and family.

Privilege: Unmarried couples are not protected against having to testify against each other in judicial proceedings, and are also usually denied the coverage in crime victims counseling and protection programs afforded married couples.

Property: Unmarried couples are excluded from special rules that permit married couples to buy and own property together under favorable terms, rules that protect married couples in their shared homes and rules regarding the distribution of the property in the event of death or divorce.

Retirement: In addition to being denied access to shared or spousal benefits through Social Security as well as coverage under Medicare and other programs, unmarried couples are denied withdrawal rights and protective tax treatment given to spouses with regard to IRA's and other retirement plans.

Taxes: Unmarried couples cannot file joint tax returns and are excluded from tax benefits and claims specific to marriage. In addition, they are denied the right to transfer property to one another and pool the family's resources without adverse tax consequences.
Ok (not in so many words) but marriage equality and workplace equality.

Next?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Ok so workplace equality needs to he fixed in some states.

Next?
no.

in all states, uniformly and equally.

this is why we have a 14th amendment.

the SCOTUS will take care of this, and i thank Dog that obama will be there to make the next two picks instead of this guy.



have you ever seen evil personified that well?

carne has also posted that list you so desired. go get 'em one by one, bitch.
 

UncleBuck

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this is what he looked like while americans were dying in what the president correctly called an act of terror.

seriously, thank fuck we do not have to endure this ice-cold piece of shit.
 
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