girl scout cookies

[209 Cali closet grower]

Berner is not a grower, or breeder (if that's the video you're talking about)

Well he know whats's up, and that's good enuff for me

 

[209 Cali closet grower]

fyi he does grow

 

[a mongo frog]

Is the Girl Scout craze still crazy? I thought all went back to northern Cali's og cuts. Either the fire cut that's been going around or the one that's considered the original og (which is straight super dank).

 

[berad4guvna]

I Love to see the mystery unravel before my very eyes! To clone or to propagate a seed?

I would love to get the Santa Cruz BD. cut. Thanks for accepting my friend request DAN LOL! Great yields!

 

[Dan Kone]

So the pollen chucker of a breeder says that there are multiple legit phenos.

That pollen chucker has come up with 3 hit strains in 4 years. Champagne, cherry pie, and cookies.

What do you expect them to say? Subcool says the same thing. Doesn't not make him a pollen chucker, nor does it make is easier to FIND that elite pheno. And what if the elite pheno is expressing recessive genes? Then it makes it even harder to locate. It's like finding that super great blueberry pheno in DJ Shorts gear. It's in there. But it's so hard to find it might as well be clone only.

Well I have a pheno of GSC that tested out @ 28.5% total cannabinoid content. And it's NOT thin mints even though it looks identical. Seems pretty legit to me. My "fake" GSC is stronger than "real" GSC.

 

[Dan Kone]

Thin Mint is still Clone ONLY!

That's because it's a phenotype of GSC.

He even says on the video if you have GSC seeds, Dont call them GSC, call them Jeff's cookies or something else.

Well he can say whatever he wants. He doesn't get to change the rules of breeding.

Oddly enough, subcool had the exact opposite of this argument with The Green Bicycle over his strain vortex. They entered a phenotype of vortex into the cannabis cup and called it "God's Pussy". It beat his own pheno in the contest and he demanded they call it by it's proper name, vortex.

A phenotype becomes clone only because you can only get it from that clone! Every strain came from seed and every seed is unique.

There are tons of nearly identical but not identical cuttings of GSC out there. You can pretend they are all "fake" if you like, but I assure you they exist.

Just as each and everyone one of us is unique. Say your name is Jeff, and you have a child, is that child Jeff also? No he is not!

You are confusing "thin mints" the pheno with "girl scout cookies" the strain. These other phenos are not children of the thin mints phenos, but brothers and sisters.

You are pretending that all these other phenos are actually GSC crosses, but they are not. They are just all different phenos of the same strain.

Maybe Jeff Junior or Jeff the II but not you. Even if you take GSC and produce seeds, they are everything and anything but GSC.

Ok, but if you take GSC seeds and grow them out they are GSC. They might not be the same pheno of GSC as thin mints, but they are still GSC.

I don't have a problem with someone saying they have GSC seeds, what I have a problem with is people popping those seeds and calling them GSC, which they are no longer. Call them Girl Scouts with dicks, Mother Fucking Cookies or something else. Breeders like Cali Connection are guilty of this. He comes out with a Chem 91 crossed to SFV then BX to Chem 91 and calls it Chem 91, it's no longer Chem 91, maybe Chem 911 or something similar.

My problem is that you don't understand the difference between a phenotype and a strain. My other problem is that you seem to be under the impression that you can distinguish these phenotypes my looking at pictures of them when I have phenos of GSC you couldn't tell apart if they were in your hand.

 

[Dan Kone]

Berner is not a grower, or breeder (if that's the video you're talking about)

The other guy in the video who's talking about GSC seeds is part of the crew who bred them.

 

[Mithrandir420]

That pollen chucker has come up with 3 hit strains in 4 years. Champagne, cherry pie, and cookies.



Well I have a pheno of GSC that tested out @ 28.5% total cannabinoid content. And it's NOT thin mints even though it looks identical. Seems pretty legit to me. My "fake" GSC is stronger than "real" GSC.

It doesn't make him not a pollen chucker. That's called luck. Now if he stabilized each of those strains and released seeds that reliably produced the same plant he would be a breeder. Subcool has had success and makes good money, but he's still a pollen chucker. That's how we end up with clone only strains. And don't get me wrong. I totally see the attraction. I have dreams of pollen chucking into the next big thing myself.

It's wonderful that you have a pheno that is better than the thin mints pheno. And?

I never said it was fake, nor did I say it wasn't possible to have another legit cut of GSC. I think you're getting caught up in the argument for the sake of the argument. In the end, for me I am not running GSC thin mints cut (the only one I have) in production. It's nice but I have limited space, and it can't beat Blue Dream, or two other strains I have in terms of dollars per watt brought in. I will run a few plants for my head, but that's about it. Maybe I'll sell clones.

 

[Mithrandir420]

Everything else aside though, the thin mints/forum cut is really nice. It may not be the best of the GSC cuts out there but she's still frikkin fire. Even with just a week in the jar she's nice.

 

[Dan Kone]

It doesn't make him not a pollen chucker. That's called luck. Now if he stabilized each of those strains and released seeds that reliably produced the same plant he would be a breeder. Subcool has had success and makes good money, but he's still a pollen chucker.

They are highly proficient pollen chuckers then.

That's how we end up with clone only strains.

GSC is certainly not clone only.

And don't get me wrong. I totally see the attraction. I have dreams of pollen chucking into the next big thing myself.

I believe I have just done so. We'll see in a few months. But I've got a strain that's passed all my test runs and is moving into the final test, full production in the main hydro room.

It's wonderful that you have a pheno that is better than the thin mints pheno. And?

And my pheno proves it's not clone only.

I never said it was fake, nor did I say it wasn't possible to have another legit cut of GSC.

Now I'm confused...

• . I think you're getting caught up in the argument for the sake of the argument.​
  
  

No I'm arguing the fact that GSC isn't clone only and you can't tell apart the phenos by looking at pictures on the internet. I'm also objecting to the word "fake" people are using when describing GSC phenos. I've seen GSC at ~50 different clubs over the past year, every single one claims their's is the real cut and everything else is a fake. It's getting retarded. The are all real (for the most part) they are just different phenos.

Also, OGKB isn't the same as platinum cookies. I have both. Also I'm objecting to the use of the word "forum cut". Many GSC phenos look the same but are very different. You can not identify them through a picture on the internet.

 

[berad4guvna]

A strain is its pair parent origins. DNA. Right? A phenotyical/phenotype is an aspect that the parent plant mother/father exhibits as a representative of either parent. Be that strong or weak. Then through natural/human selection you sort through the marriage/seeds of the pheno's./parents, to find the best traits of mommy and daddy " the kids." You sort them through growth to find the all around champion the aspects one is looking for, to be the very best. THE ONE/aka THE BEST plant to clone off of. Right?

THE KEEPER...

I say this in humbleness, and definitely would like to be informed if I'm wrong. That's how you learn new things.

Peace ~ The Guvna.

 

[Mithrandir420]

They are highly proficient pollen chuckers then.



GSC is certainly not clone only.

I should have said "Clone only phenotypes" then. Look at my Blue Dream example. According to how you are looking at it, NOTHING is clone only.


I believe I have just done so. We'll see in a few months. But I've got a strain that's passed all my test runs and is moving into the final test, full production in the main hydro room.



And my pheno proves it's not clone only.



Now I'm confused...



No I'm arguing the fact that GSC isn't clone only and you can't tell apart the phenos by looking at pictures on the internet. I'm also objecting to the word "fake" people are using when describing GSC phenos. I've seen GSC at ~50 different clubs over the past year, every single one claims their's is the real cut and everything else is a fake. It's getting retarded. The are all real (for the most part) they are just different phenos.

Also, OGKB isn't the same as platinum cookies. I have both. Also I'm objecting to the use of the word "forum cut". Many GSC phenos look the same but are very different. You can not identify them through a picture on the internet.

No, you're not confused. I never said there was only one legit cut. I said that the thin mints cut is the forum cut is a legit cut. And it is. I also think what's happening is that you are thinking that they (they being the IC mag people)all looked at each others photos and said, Hey it's all the same, it's the forum cut!. When what I am understanding is that many of these people live close enough to each other that they actually traded clones and actually have the same cut, called the forum cut. Which is the thin mints cut. (Note that I make no claims about which one is better!)

I agree that GSC is not clone only. Various phenos are clone only. (I think you agree with this) Nor do I think all other GSC's are fake. I think they are all phenotypes of an unstable polyhybrid strain called Girl Scout Cookies. Thus, they are ALL Girl Scout Cookies.

 

[miscbrah3284]

im lost after this thread gained so many pages....

the original thin mint, like every plant on earth, originally started as a seed that was planted and grew...it was cloned......an exact replica of the mother plant.....that plant came from a single seed....you cant ever get that seed back, it already formed a plant known as the thin mint, which is now a clone only strain. There are other girl scout cookie crosses, that like every other seed, was grown, cloned, and you cant get that seed back....whatever cross was made is now clone only.....chucking pollen around or buying girl scout cookie seeds will never get you the originals, they only exist as clones now.

i dont get what is so hard about this? a clone of the legit thin mint was released to members on the icmag forums......it then was mothered, cloned, passed around....referred to as the forum cut, because it was being passed around members of the forum. the "forum cut" is the original thin mint.....

 

[PJ Diaz]

No, you're not confused. I never said there was only one legit cut. I said that the thin mints cut is the forum cut is a legit cut. And it is. I also think what's happening is that you are thinking that they (they being the IC mag people)all looked at each others photos and said, Hey it's all the same, it's the forum cut!. When what I am understanding is that many of these people live close enough to each other that they actually traded clones and actually have the same cut, called the forum cut. Which is the thin mints cut. (Note that I make no claims about which one is better!)

I agree that GSC is not clone only. Various phenos are clone only. (I think you agree with this) Nor do I think all other GSC's are fake. I think they are all phenotypes of an unstable polyhybrid strain called Girl Scout Cookies. Thus, they are ALL Girl Scout Cookies.

Well, let's remember where this debate began:

The forum cut GSC Thin Mint is Clone only! You can't reproduce that cut from seed! The rest of the cookies are FAKE. 98% of the people who have Cookies don't have the real GSC cut.

 

[Mithrandir420]

Well, let's remember where this debate began:

Seriously? You're going to quote someone else?

I am not Nightmarecreature. Never have been. If you take issue with his words, take issue with him. He can claim whatever he wants. He's right that the thin mints cut of GSC is clone only, though.

And the debate began with the OP looking for GSC. Then we all realized that it ain't that easy with this one.

 

[Dan Kone]

He's right that the thin mints cut of GSC is clone only, though.

Yes, the Thin Mints PHENO is clone only. That's not what was being disputed. What was being disputed was the idea that all other phenos of GSC are fake and are children of the thin mints pheno of GSC or come from hermie seeds.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Seriously? You're going to quote someone else?

I am not Nightmarecreature. Never have been. If you take issue with his words, take issue with him. He can claim whatever he wants. He's right that the thin mints cut of GSC is clone only, though.

All I'm saying is that you jumped into a debate in progress, and the quote I posted is what started it. It was a simple point of reference. And yes, I agree -- the Thin Mints cut is clone only.

 

[Mithrandir420]

Whether or not mine is "legit" it sure is gooooood. Funny, I find myself reaching for the GSC more often than the really nice Blue Dream I have sitting next to it.

All the pheno and legitness arguments aside, the breeders did a nice job with this strain.

 

[bamboogardner]

I find it quite interesting that with all the arguing between the purported experts on this strain that none of them can answer what yield any of the phenos; cuts; fakes; or real GSC's have. Guess I will just have to grow it out and find out first hand. Any of you non experts know? Sure would like to find out. And I agree with you Mith, fakes or real shit, they breeders DID do a good job. Thanks.

Bamboo Gardner

 

[Mithrandir420]

I have only grown the one pheno but I can tell you that so far it seems to be a low yielder on par with an OG.