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bamboogardner

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Hey Dan. On your outdoor GSC, how big were the pots and what pheno did you grow? What was the approximate dry weight per plant when done? I have heard mixed results outdoors with GSC from outrageous yield to small yield. I traditionally veg a month or so before going outdoors in the spring. Nice to hear from someone who actually knows the results.

Let me know and thanks.

Bamboo Gardner
 
Nightmarecreature

Nightmarecreature

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Dan Kone said:
I try to convince people this isn't a clone only strain, but even with video evidence no one believes me :(
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The forum cut GSC Thin Mint is Clone only! You can't reproduce that cut from seed! The rest of the cookies are FAKE. 98% of the people who have Cookies don't have the real GSC cut. Just like us, every clone not from the same mother is unique and can't be reproduced exactly. Selfing or crossing GSC does not make it GSC, it just means the parent was GSC.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Nightmarecreature said:
The forum cut GSC Thin Mint is Clone only! You can't reproduce that cut from seed! The rest of the cookies are FAKE. 98% of the people who have Cookies don't have the real GSC cut. Just like us, every clone not from the same mother is unique and can't be reproduced exactly. Selfing or crossing GSC does not make it GSC, it just means the parent was GSC.
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Sorry dude, but you're wrong. There are several legit phenos of GSC. Sure, there's only one "Thin Mint" cut, I'll accept that truth. Whether or not it's the same as the "forum" cut is debatable. There are other cuts similar to the Thin Mints cut. The fact is that GSC was distributed in both seed and clone form from the SF breeders, they even talk about it in that video. To say that everything other than "the forum cut" (since when do we name cuts over the internet anyway?) is fake is just ignorant and wrong.
 
Dan Kone

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Nightmarecreature said:
The forum cut GSC Thin Mint is Clone only! You can't reproduce that cut from seed!
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Generally we call that a PHENOTYPE

The rest of the cookies are FAKE.
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lol. ok. So if you crack a pack of seeds and get a pheno you like, the rest of the seeds then become make believe?

98% of the people who have Cookies don't have the real GSC cut.
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98% of the people who believe "the forum cut" is the one true GSC and everything else is fake think that because they haven't grown out multiple phenos of GSC.

Just like us, every clone not from the same mother is unique and can't be reproduced exactly. Selfing or crossing GSC does not make it GSC, it just means the parent was GSC.
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really?

ok. Let's try this one more time.

When Girl scout cookies were originally released, they were released with seeds. Not hybridized seeds, 100% GSC seeds. The original breeder is on freaking video tape saying this. The video is posted in this thread more than once. Strait from the guys mouth.

They are not crosses, they are not hermie seeds, they are from the original cross. Because of this there are multiple phenos of GSC out there. Many of these phenos are indistinguishable by photo. I know this for a FACT because I've grown out a lot of phenos of gsc. This makes it highly likely that your "forum cut" is just a bunch of people with similar phenos all thinking they have the same thing.

Just because you've found a pheno of GSC that you like doesn't mean all other phenos of the strain are some GSC cross. There is video proof that seeds of the original were passed out. But keep ignoring that because a bunch of people on the internet saw some pictures and are all convinced they have the same cutting...
 
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YaMon

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I was under the assumption that about 2 years ago there was a grow of Cookies in the bay that had been left in the dark for a few days and hermed. The farmers cropped anyway and the meds hit the market in SF, complete with seeds from the hermaphroditic accident.

People popped the seeds that came from the GSC buds, S1 seeds.

I think in order to have true GSC seeds, you would have to have seeded meds of either F1 Durban or the Florida OGK that was used in the cross, depending on which of the two was the mother (I would guess the Florida OGK was the mom but it's all speculation)
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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YaMon said:
I was under the assumption that about 2 years ago there was a grow of Cookies in the bay that had been left in the dark for a few days and hermed. The farmers cropped anyway and the meds hit the market in SF, complete with seeds from the hermaphroditic accident.

People popped the seeds that came from the GSC buds, S1 seeds.

I think in order to have true GSC seeds, you would have to have seeded meds of either F1 Durban or the Florida OGK that was used in the cross, depending on which of the two was the mother (I would guess the Florida OGK was the mom but it's all speculation)
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Did you even read the post right above yours?

Dan Kone said:
ok. Let's try this one more time.

When Girl scout cookies were originally released, they were released with seeds. Not hybridized seeds, 100% GSC seeds. The original breeder is on freaking video tape saying this. The video is posted in this thread more than once. Strait from the guys mouth.

They are not crosses, they are not hermie seeds, they are from the original cross. Because of this there are multiple phenos of GSC out there. Many of these phenos are indistinguishable by photo. I know this for a FACT because I've grown out a lot of phenos of gsc. This makes it highly likely that your "forum cut" is just a bunch of people with similar phenos all thinking they have the same thing.

Just because you've found a pheno of GSC that you like doesn't mean all other phenos of the strain are some GSC cross. There is video proof that seeds of the original were passed out. But keep ignoring that because a bunch of people on the internet saw some pictures and are all convinced they have the same cutting...
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Nightmarecreature

Nightmarecreature

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Dan Kone said:
Generally we call that a PHENOTYPE



lol. ok. So if you crack a pack of seeds and get a pheno you like, the rest of the seeds then become make believe?





98% of the people who believe "the forum cut" is the one true GSC and everything else is fake think that because they haven't grown out multiple phenos of GSC.



really?

ok. Let's try this one more time.

When Girl scout cookies were originally released, they were released with seeds. Not hybridized seeds, 100% GSC seeds. The original breeder is on freaking video tape saying this. The video is posted in this thread more than once. Strait from the guys mouth.

They are not crosses, they are not hermie seeds, they are from the original cross. Because of this there are multiple phenos of GSC out there. Many of these phenos are indistinguishable by photo. I know this for a FACT because I've grown out a lot of phenos of gsc. This makes it highly likely that your "forum cut" is just a bunch of people with similar phenos all thinking they have the same thing.

Just because you've found a pheno of GSC that you like doesn't mean all other phenos of the strain are some GSC cross. There is video proof that seeds of the original were passed out. But keep ignoring that because a bunch of people on the internet saw some pictures and are all convinced they have the same cutting...
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Thin Mint is still Clone ONLY! He even says on the video if you have GSC seeds, Dont call them GSC, call them Jeff's cookies or something else. A phenotype becomes clone only because you can only get it from that clone! Every strain came from seed and every seed is unique. Just as each and everyone one of us is unique. Say your name is Jeff, and you have a child, is that child Jeff also? No he is not! Maybe Jeff Junior or Jeff the II but not you. Even if you take GSC and produce seeds, they are everything and anything but GSC.
All strains came from seed, if that was the case that would make everything NOT clone only which would make no sense! Clone only really means their is no way to get that exact phenotype without taking a clone. GSC seeds are not GSC, all they do is share genetics. This is exactly why it is so hard to find certain clone only strains,because people have the belief that taking S1's and seeds make it the same name as the mother, polluting and causing confusion.

I don't have a problem with someone saying they have GSC seeds, what I have a problem with is people popping those seeds and calling them GSC, which they are no longer. Call them Girl Scouts with dicks, Mother Fucking Cookies or something else. Breeders like Cali Connection are guilty of this. He comes out with a Chem 91 crossed to SFV then BX to Chem 91 and calls it Chem 91, it's no longer Chem 91, maybe Chem 911 or something similar.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Nightmarecreature said:
Thin Mint is still Clone ONLY! He even says on the video if you have GSC seeds, Dont call them GSC, call them Jeff's cookies or something else.
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You're wrong. Watch the video again. Specifically watch the part between 5:40 and 5:50. He is clear is saying that the reason there are different cookies is because when they were first breeding it there were seeds.

The part you're talking about comes right after that, where they say if you find a seed in a bag (a S1), then that's your gift, but don't call that GSC.

They are clear to say that there are indeed different legit phenos of GSC.

So, in short there are S1's that people are calling GSC which are not really GSC, but does have similar genetics. At the same time, the breeder does say that seeds were originally distributed and different legit phenos were grown out.

That should clear it up.
 
Nightmarecreature

Nightmarecreature

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PJ Diaz said:
You're wrong. Watch the video again. Specifically watch the part between 5:40 and 5:50. He is clear is saying that the reason there are different cookies is because when they were first breeding it there were seeds.

The part you're talking about comes right after that, where they say if you find a seed in a bag (a S1), then that's your gift, but don't call that GSC.

They are clear to say that there are indeed different legit phenos of GSC.

So, in short there are S1's that people are calling GSC which are not really GSC, but does have similar genetics. At the same time, the breeder does say that seeds were originally distributed and different legit phenos were grown out.

That should clear it up.
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Different Cookies, He didn't say GSC. That makes me right.

They are still not GSC Thin Mint cut. As I said, everything came from seed. Different Cookies is right.

If you find bag seed, it does not mean it's an S1. It could have been from a rogue male. You wouldn't know if it was an S1 or not.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Nightmarecreature said:
PJ Diaz said:
You're wrong. Watch the video again. Specifically watch the part between 5:40 and 5:50. He is clear is saying that the reason there are different cookies is because when they were first breeding it there were seeds.

The part you're talking about comes right after that, where they say if you find a seed in a bag (a S1), then that's your gift, but don't call that GSC.

They are clear to say that there are indeed different legit phenos of GSC.

So, in short there are S1's that people are calling GSC which are not really GSC, but does have similar genetics. At the same time, the breeder does say that seeds were originally distributed and different legit phenos were grown out.

That should clear it up.
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Different Cookies, He didn't say GSC. That makes me right.

They are still not GSC Thin Mint cut. As I said, everything came from seed. Different Cookies is right.

If you find bag seed, it does not mean it's an S1. It could have been from a rogue male. You wouldn't know if it was an S1 or not.
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You're missing the point. He says when they were breeding GSC there were seeds of different GSC phenos. End of story.
 
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Mithrandir420

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PJ Diaz said:
You're wrong. Watch the video again. Specifically watch the part between 5:40 and 5:50. He is clear is saying that the reason there are different cookies is because when they were first breeding it there were seeds.

The part you're talking about comes right after that, where they say if you find a seed in a bag (a S1), then that's your gift, but don't call that GSC.

They are clear to say that there are indeed different legit phenos of GSC.

So, in short there are S1's that people are calling GSC which are not really GSC, but does have similar genetics. At the same time, the breeder does say that seeds were originally distributed and different legit phenos were grown out.

That should clear it up.
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So the pollen chucker of a breeder says that there are multiple legit phenos. What do you expect them to say? Subcool says the same thing. Doesn't not make him a pollen chucker, nor does it make is easier to FIND that elite pheno. And what if the elite pheno is expressing recessive genes? Then it makes it even harder to locate. It's like finding that super great blueberry pheno in DJ Shorts gear. It's in there. But it's so hard to find it might as well be clone only.

I think you both are right and wrong. Absolutely, there may be more than one legit pheno! (I think "genotype" is actually correct, but don't quote me on that) But that one pheno they are calling the thin mints/forum cut is unique and difficult enough to reproduce or find in the seeds that it is essentially a clone only. After looking at the various threads and photos posted it does look like there is more than one legit pheno of GSC, and these may be clone only as well.

Let's take Dan's Blue Dream for instance. He says in another thread that he has the original BD. (I assume the original Santa Cruz Blue Dream. The really good cut) Now, this was found in a batch of seeds that came from a Blueberry and Haze cross. However, because so very few of it's siblings expressed the traits that this cut does, it becomes clone only. Even if you had the ORIGINAL mother and father and made seeds, the odds of finding a plant expressing the exact same traits is slim. Slim enough that it's easier to consider it clone only and call it a day. What if you found more than one elite pheno? Chck this out... I sprouted 5 seeds of Gage Green Genetic's Leia OG. I found 4 similar plants and one unique plant. All were nice, but of the 5 two were standout. I killed all but the two. One was a Skywalker OG dominant plant, and the other was a Grape Stomper dominant plant. (With an aroma that is just out of this world fruity) So now I have these plants. Gage Green isn't making any more Leia OG seeds, it was a limited run. As far as I know, no one around here has either one of these plants. And very few have yet claimed to have found the fruity pheno, though some have. Is it clone only?

I would say that if the breeder has stabilized the pheno, and you can regularly find it in a pack of 10 - 20 seeds then it is not clone only. If not, then it is.
 
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bamboogardner

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The banter continues with which pheno or cut is the original and makes for very interesting reading for sure. I am sure it is very important to some to determin which is which and I applaud all that have been researching and attempting to convince others which cut is the real deal.

With all the researching of the GSC and claimed GSC's, I was wondering if someone could advise me of the yield of both indoor and outdoor on the Platinum and Thin Mint cuts/phenos. These are obviously going around being sold at various dispensaries as well as the SCM and Forum cuts/phenos. Real GSC or not, they are still around in mass quantities, and are not going away soon. They are being sold on the open market, so it would be nice to know more about them as far as yield and other information. I wish I had a real GCS clone growing, but I am stuck with what I have and would certainly like to know what are the characteristics of the Platinum and Thin Mint creatures that I am about to put in the greenhouse.

Thanks folks.
Bamboo Gardner
 
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