Are any of you here a Sensitive?

[ganja man23]

I told the guys in jail, I was going to meditate my way out of here. That was so they would leave me along and let me practice. Then they could say, "You are still here!!!" And I would say, "Damn, it didn't work yet, did it?" "Oh well, need more practice." It sort of morphed to, "Leave him be. He's trying to get out, yuck, yuck!!""

The last morning, release day, I say, "See dudes, it finally worked. I'm outta here!"

Not many caught on, even with that. It was, "Sure you did." And "You'll be back!"

I actually can fly as well. What? Didn't see it? I guess I'm just too fast.

in all seriousness sorry to go so off topic but is it true what they say about jail and rape? how is one to know without the experience

 

[ganja man23]

What about, it's just bunk? Something you heard and they want you to believe?

Use your better judgement and find out what has the possibility of being relative to physicality and what does not. You'll find that many people don't have reasons to lie to everyone and in fact they gain more negativity than positivity for sharing but that doesn't mean we can automatically dismiss the idea as a whole. The truth is we need to hold absolutely everything conceivable in our minds as a thought and when it becomes real than we have to believe it. It may very well turn out as a lie though.

Watch this video:
[video=youtube;7vyVe-6YdUk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk[/video]

How should we approach this situation? Should we call all of these high ranking officials liars or shall we establish the fact that many people have similar "supernatural" experiences that the public has not been willing to accept. We must realize that society is not based on free will, most beliefs are enforced through media, government, religion, etc.

 

[Padawanbater2]

mentally dangerous I guess. Your beliefs make people ignorant, arrogant and bigoted. You always seek conflict and create separation amongst people while doing so, and you agree that being a douchebag is necessary for the purpose of your beliefs because you are so convinced its the best belief.

How are my beliefs dangerous? Because they conflict with yours? They dont even entirely conflict with yours because I like the accomplishments of science. I dont believe in any radical medical procedures like homeopathy. I dont try to recruit people and get a cult following. You cant even say that Im spreading lies around because you have no idea if they are lies or not, because your cherished tool cannot measure what really matters. You call everyone else lazy thinkers yet you are too lazy venture outside of the box you find so comfortable.

Science = Reality, so what you're saying is "reality makes people ignorant, arrogant and bigoted". Do you see how much sense that makes?

The opposition is the one who seeks conflict and can't accept an ounce of legitimate criticism.

Your beliefs are dangerous because they disable you from the correct way of thinking. If people like Newton or Galileo utilized the reasoning skills you do, we'd still believe in a geocentric model of the solar system and the Catholic Church would rule the world. You favor ignorance over application, if it's tough to figure out or you don't understand it, you replace it with something that requires no thought and makes you feel good, even after shown dozens of times how and why you could be mistaken. It's honestly sad at this point. You're going to go through life believing these things with nothing to back them up and convince yourself they're right because of the way they make you feel.

...as a person, or as a force? Think 2, 3, 4 thousand years ago, how would you attempt to convey abstract ideas to people?

As a person deeply concerned with human affairs. To me, belief in that is simply crazy, there's no other way to put it, and I know that will offend a lot of people, but we've gone on long enough with this idea. It's time for us to grow up and accept reality for what it is.

I would simply tell people the truth, I don't know. Anyone claiming absolute knowledge about such things is lying. Anyone attempting to dictate society based on such things is an enemy of freedom and liberty, and anyone attempting moral coercion based on such lies is evil.

The best we can say is "I don't know", and "I don't know" isn't a good enough reason to justify the hate organized religion requires.

You certainly criticize a lot without actually adding you own ideas, just trying to disprove mine because you claim i'm on some witch hunt along with the majority of other physicists looking for proof of higher dimensions. the only thing you guys have is the fact that you wait around for scientists to publish results for you without realizing how limited you are making your perception.

This thread isn't about my ideas or what I believe, had you asked, I'd have been more than happy to tell you.

any real scientist will tell you that creativity and optimism are vital to actually accomplish something in a life time. don't confuse yourself with a real scientist, you are merely a sheep and so is everyone else who doesn't directly contribute to it so stop limiting yourself to science. take what it has taught you so far and why not help contribute to it. you have no idea in which direction science is progressing right now and it's much beyond physicality.

I don't follow your logic, because I don't believe in outlandish new-age, unsubstantiated mumbo-jumbo, I'm not creative or optimistic?

What have you contributed to scientific advancement?

So are you saying infinity does not exist than? Why's that, because you gave the word too much meaning? I just told you to look at it more as a concept and again i was just trying to make a point by viewing it with respect to mathematics. that's all you do is just claim everything non scientific is non existent and criticize little things and not the whole idea (Deja vu).

Infinity is a concept, just like I said before. How do you interpret that as "infinity does not exist"?

Everything that exists has a scientific explanation. There is nothing within the realm of existence that doesn't.

Based on current string theory it is the tenth dimension of space time which is basically the omniverse, containing all other dimensions of space time within it. We are in the third "density" because of our 3 dimensions of space but we are in the 4th dimension because we occupy one dimension of time. We are working to prove that there are other dimensions unseen to the eye because they vibrate much higher than anything in the universe so how are you ever to see them unless you vibrate proportionally high to do so.

What is "the omniverse"?

Signs of pseudoscience: meaningless "psychobabble" that uses fancy, scientific-sounding terms that don't actually make sense

Again you have misunderstood me because of your closed minded approach. I was referring to things outside of the physical universe or you can even think of them as phenomenon within the universe we have never be able to explain. Supernatural animal powers, psychic connections between humans,etc. Your approach: i'll wait for science and until then it's not real. it's really irritating because you put yourself in that group without realizing that science should be no more of a resource than something like sociology. you have been worshipping science much like a religion, going by it's literal interpretation which is not even complete yet! Did you ever think that by waiting for the answers you are just as much part of the problem than any religionist. Any scientist will tell you not to criticize ideas unless you have the evidence to actually disprove them rather than criticize them.

Science has a much better track record than intuition, which is all you have. Supernatural animal powers, psychic connections between humans, all bullshit. None of it has any shred of evidence anywhere. This is simply stuff you want to believe in.

As I've said before to you, if it isn't real, it's useless to me. I'm not concerned with fooling myself, not even if it makes me feel good. I'm interested in the truth of reality, what we can demonstrate to be true and what we can reproduce to know it's true. Again, all you have is your own feelings and best guesses based on nothing except what you wish to be true and get upset when someone tells you it's bullshit. That's exactly what religion does to people.

Accurate science was built on criticisms, junior. You don't have to be right about something to know when something is wrong, understand the distinction.

Because we can't prove it's existence it has no value? We are working towards proving higher dimensional space-time which is science far beyond anything your mind has ever perceived. What if scientists used your method of approach than we wouldn't have discovered all those things you speak of which you can't see. You're taking for granted the fact that you were born in a period where we know all that. Understand this: there is a lot more you don't know and even more that you can't see. You can't prove something by ignoring it like you all do. If anything we will ultimately disprove it so why ignore it?

Oh, you're working on it.. What was with your earlier accusations of me waiting for science to figure things out instead of jumping the gun and going with my gut? Pretty hypocritical if you ask me..

There is no value in something that isn't true. The value you would get, just like with religion, is delusional. It's value you yourself assigned to it, it's not real.

I understand there is a lot left to figure out, but I can promise you we won't figure it out using pseudo-scientific intuitive mumbo-jumbo, we'll figure it out using real, time tested, accurate science.

 

[mindphuk]

I ignored it because you show no more evidence than I do therefore it's a mutual debate therefore not worth my time. What's even more astounding is that you claim to be an educator and are telling me I would have a hard time passing your class without giving me any test materials relative to the course? You're a joke as an educator if you are one. You fail my test of thickness and you can take my 78.6 Average and shove it! You fail to realize that i well establish evolution as a whole thoery but it still has not shown evidence for the outcome of development of many complex genes exclusive to humans. It fails to explain why we evolved to what we are today, it merely suggests its possible to happen naturally. Only at the point that we can read our entire genome like a book along with the junk DNA can we truly come upon the conclusion that we have evolved 100% naturally.

Not evidence for what I've said but you'll find this interesting, professor asshole.
http://paranormalutopia.com/2012/03/starchild-skull-foxp2-genome-evidence-that-its-not-human312/

I predicted you would ignore it.
I showed evidence that you are lacking in knowledge of the areas you claim science is ignorant about. I showed evidence your understanding of evolutionary theory is weak at best. I mean, why are there still monkeys? The fact that you can say such a thing and pretend you understand evolution is sad. The test material is modern evolutionary theory and you failed. Your canard of 'science hasn't proven everything about X is natural, therefore aliens' has been demonstrated to be a comment only people ignorant of science and it's process. I have refrained from personal attacks against you in spite of your name calling but I'm done with you. You've demonstrated that you are an idiot without any help from me and the only recourse you have is to lash out at my experience as an educator. As I offered before, I would be happy to teach you some things that you seem to have questions about, but you aren't interested in learning, but only in propagating your bullshit ideas.

That you use a paranormal website devoted to the debunked starchild to propose that our DNA has been tampered with rather than cite actual genetic research says everything I need to know. Why don't you show this material to your genetic engineering prof? Scared you would be laughed out of the classroom?

 

[eye exaggerate]

As a person deeply concerned with human affairs. To me, belief in that is simply crazy, there's no other way to put it, and I know that will offend a lot of people, but we've gone on long enough with this idea. It's time for us to grow up and accept reality for what it is.

I would simply tell people the truth, I don't know. Anyone claiming absolute knowledge about such things is lying. Anyone attempting to dictate society based on such things is an enemy of freedom and liberty, and anyone attempting moral coercion based on such lies is evil.

The best we can say is "I don't know", and "I don't know" isn't a good enough reason to justify the hate organized religion requires.

...science was born of spirituality. There was a separation. We all choose to divide, or we choose to assemble. The outcome of personality clashes people have within themselves only get 'dressed' in the person's cultural standing (most specifically religious). That's classifying people. No good, right? Seems too 'efficient'.

...the truth? Where?

 

[Padawanbater2]

...science was born of spirituality. There was a separation. We all choose to divide, or we choose to assemble. The outcome of personality clashes people have within themselves only get 'dressed' in the person's cultural standing (most specifically religious). That's classifying people. No good, right? Seems too 'efficient'.

...the truth? Where?

I don't understand what you mean, could you try to explain this another way?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

oh eye means when Galileo was killed for saying the earth wasnt the center of the universe that there was a separation . . . .

 

[mindphuk]

Here you go ganja man, maybe you can learn something that seems to be missing from your curriculum on advanced genetics

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+are+there+still+monkeys

 

[cannabineer]

...science was born of spirituality. There was a separation. We all choose to divide, or we choose to assemble. The outcome of personality clashes people have within themselves only get 'dressed' in the person's cultural standing (most specifically religious). That's classifying people. No good, right? Seems too 'efficient'.

...the truth? Where?

I would suggest that science came from a wish to have perspective on spirituality. Science's insistence on premise and procedure is the wellspring of its success. But the main engine of its success was not premise or procedure but the primacy of test. There is no parallel in the study of spirit. To try to frame spirit with science will fail. What certain posters here will not accept is that the converse is also true ... you cannot frame science with the traditions or doings of spirituality. My opinion. cn

 

[ganja man23]

I predicted you would ignore it.
I showed evidence that you are lacking in knowledge of the areas you claim science is ignorant about. I showed evidence your understanding of evolutionary theory is weak at best. I mean, why are there still monkeys? The fact that you can say such a thing and pretend you understand evolution is sad. The test material is modern evolutionary theory and you failed. Your canard of 'science hasn't proven everything about X is natural, therefore aliens' has been demonstrated to be a comment only people ignorant of science and it's process. I have refrained from personal attacks against you in spite of your name calling but I'm done with you. You've demonstrated that you are an idiot without any help from me and the only recourse you have is to lash out at my experience as an educator. As I offered before, I would be happy to teach you some things that you seem to have questions about, but you aren't interested in learning, but only in propagating your bullshit ideas.

That you use a paranormal website devoted to the debunked starchild to propose that our DNA has been tampered with rather than cite actual genetic research says everything I need to know. Why don't you show this material to your genetic engineering prof? Scared you would be laughed out of the classroom?

LOL I pissed off the professor, what are you going to do ask me to leave the auditorium? I know people like that and they are pathetic. do you know how many of you teacher/professor douchebags I have been in the class with in which you simply CANNOT have an opinion? More than half of my life is the answer so I'm seeing a trend here already. I have yet to see any real proof from you either and i predicted that as well. I have told one of my professors (the "few" that isn't a douchebag and listens to us) and he told me "it can't be real, it isn't on the news". WTF? I choose to believe he's not deviating a scheme to find an ancient alien. They provided me with an appropriate amount of information even comparable to the evidence i revived when i learned about subatomic particles. Where exactly do you draw this line of credibility? Does it have to be published in one of your beloved tenth edition overpriced bio textbooks for it to be official or would you prefer to see it on Nat Geo? In the end it all comes down to the source of the information. I choose to believe mine before they make it to the public since a lot of media is limited in what they can share with the public.


You got me on the monkey explanation, not my best argument since I was under the impression that I was dealing with a "fuckin' lingerer" rather than with a beloved genetics teacher. I ment to shine the light on our differences however. Let's examine us and primates. Of course, they have what we consider intelligence, but do you think it's in any way as complex or spiritual as ours is? The main difference between us, we live our life with the awareness of duration (time) and we are even unveiling that time is as malleable as matter or even space is. It's a very probable scenario that we went from that just by mere conicidence but I refuse to accept (but still hold the thought) that it's a coincidence since it is not coinciding within anyone but us for whatever reason. I Know the question of WHY DID THIS HAPPEN TO US is not enough of a reason but I WANT AN ANSWER beyond the one modern physical science or biology provides seeing as how they are both incomplete studies that fail to incorporate the undeniable phenomenon many experience.

I want you to share your insight on the evolutionary timeline with me. I am asking you for this much to see if we are on the same page with our timeline. I want to know when you are claiming the

p.s. you offended me first. i never have a hard time passing anything so quit insinuating someone who doesn't agree with you is a failure.

PAD (or whoever the guy with the arab and ak-47 was)-

Are you familiar with the fact that quantum mechanics suggests consciousness is based outside of what we call the five senses but the experience of it seems like it is within? We're not talking some bullshit pseudoscience here; Michio Kaku, Albert Einstein, Steven Hawking and many physicists have all agreed with this. Genetics will never explain the link between patterns of similarity (Ask me if you don't know what i'm talking baout) amongst every spiritual being because the human genome (AND ALL "PHYSICAL SCIENCE") is based only in the physical world (5 Senses). "Science" is the study of everything.

BTW, Don't be thick. "Omniverse" is a no more of a pseudoscientific term than universe is. I can tell you are not familiar with the concept of sting theory and I suggest you watch that tenth dimension video I showed you.

DO ME A FAVOUR AND MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE BY WATCHING PLEASE.
[video=youtube;zqeqW3g8N2Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqeqW3g8N2Q[/video]

Yes I realize it's hard for someone who is under the impression that they have never left the physical world to imagine such a concept is real, but I can assure you there's more to reality than meets the eyes,ears,mouth,nose,and skin. Me and many others share similar paths in our spiritual journeys. And with all due respect I never had these experiences when my perspective was like yours. I only had this dream like experience after I changed my views (by removing them all). Are you saying I can't prove that with physical science? Correct but you can't either. If you choose to live by the physical world then best of luck to you. I hope you get rich and find happiness and enjoy the freedom of never having to exist again. You will most likely realize this before you actually die here but I'm merely trying to help you realize that the science you speak of is called "physical science" and it is based on senses we as humans have in the physical world.

 

[ganja man23]

Here you go ganja man, maybe you can learn something that seems to be missing from your curriculum on advanced genetics

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+are+there+still+monkeys

quite clever. i'm glad i struck your mind enough to receive three different posts. i can tell you were just itching for a reply. your wish is my command!

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

Science = Reality, so what you're saying is "reality makes people ignorant, arrogant and bigoted". Do you see how much sense that makes?

The opposition is the one who seeks conflict and can't accept an ounce of legitimate criticism.

Your beliefs are dangerous because they disable you from the correct way of thinking. If people like Newton or Galileo utilized the reasoning skills you do, we'd still believe in a geocentric model of the solar system and the Catholic Church would rule the world. You favor ignorance over application, if it's tough to figure out or you don't understand it, you replace it with something that requires no thought and makes you feel good, even after shown dozens of times how and why you could be mistaken. It's honestly sad at this point. You're going to go through life believing these things with nothing to back them up and convince yourself they're right because of the way they make you feel.

LOL wow, that first line shows how deluded you are. Science is a primitive and shallow tool that dips its toe into the ocean of reality and says its completely ridiculous if someone ever wanted to jump in.

We dont seek conflict, that is not our intention. We want to have a good time and speak to like minded people. The conflict comes from you because you have a personal problem with peoples way of thinking. Theres no legitimate criticism science can offer for gods and souls, no matter how much stomp your feet and preach, you have nothing.

No, that is desperate and false example you came up with. I accept the accomplishments of science. Nice try though. The fact that you think you have the correct way of thinking is arrogant, ignorant and bigoted. Its the same mentality that causes wars, so your mindset is direct proof that even if there wasnt any religion, the hate and chaos would remain the same throughout history. Also, did you forget about my experiences that you love hearing about so much? There is plenty to back up the claims of us spiritualists, some even done by science, but you try desperately to pull our explanations back to the physical world and force a materialistic cause to something you know absolutely nothing about. Its no longer a quest for truth with you but a grudge with people that do not agree with you. You have no voice when trying to convince other people of their supposedly illogical beliefs yet you will continue your futile crusade. Reality is going to suck in the future.

(edit) I never talked to my friends yet. One invited me to his birthday last week then the bastard logged off without giving me the details, never talked to him since.

 

[TogTokes]

I swear to god i seen Santa and Flying raindeer last night1

 

[eye exaggerate]

oh eye means when Galileo was killed for saying the earth wasnt the center of the universe that there was a separation . . . .

...sammy I've read your posts here with interest. I highly doubt that with your breadth of knowledge you stop at the surface and glance in this way ^

 

[Heisenberg]

LOL wow, that first line shows how deluded you are. Science is a primitive and shallow tool that dips its toe into the ocean of reality and says its completely ridiculous if someone ever wanted to jump in.

No, it isn't.

"Science is the best thing that humanity has ever come up with. And if it isn't, then science will fix it." - Bill Nye

See?

We dont seek conflict, that is not our intention. We want to have a good time and speak to like minded people. The conflict comes from you because you have a personal problem with peoples way of thinking. Theres no legitimate criticism science can offer for gods and souls, no matter how much stomp your feet and preach, you have nothing.

The only one stomping feet is you. You want to be able to spew your arm-chair spirituality, which includes attacking science and reason, without being presented with opposition. You have never given one good reason to believe in God or anything supernatural, your only recourse has been to say that science is flawed, as if that is all that is needed to support your view.

"Science is suspect therefore my pet theory must be correct."

You have shown a double standard cynicism and a quirk for accusing others of all the same idiotic tactics you yourself are using. You have resorted to the mentality of a child by saying "I know you are but what am I".

No, that is desperate and false example you came up with. I accept the accomplishments of science. Nice try though. The fact that you think you have the correct way of thinking is arrogant, ignorant and bigoted. Its the same mentality that causes wars, so your mindset is direct proof that even if there wasnt any religion, the hate and chaos would remain the same throughout history. Also, did you forget about my experiences that you love hearing about so much? There is plenty to back up the claims of us spiritualists, some even done by science, but you try desperately to pull our explanations back to the physical world and force a materialistic cause to something you know absolutely nothing about. Its no longer a quest for truth with you but a grudge with people that do not agree with you. You have no voice when trying to convince other people of their supposedly illogical beliefs yet you will continue your futile crusade. Reality is going to suck in the future.

Again, nothing but ad hominem attacks. Nothing to support your view except saying there is support. In 6 months you have never once been able to defend your claims, you simply fall back on the same tired criticisms that all pseudoscience uses whether it be esp, creationism, ancient aliens, bigfoot hunters, ghost hunters, homeopathy, or any other pseudoscientific crap that can not muster defense of itself.

Lets look at the common signs that we expect to see in a debate of science vs pseudoscience:

"They will attack us personally, impugn our motives, accuse us of fictitious conflicts of interest, question the appropriateness of spending time writing to the public, and try very hard to characterize us as closed-minded."

Seems to be a playbook of the tactics used here. When you can not demonstrate, defend, or even explain your claims, your only recourse is name calling, saying we are scared of truth, saying we are wasting time, and that we think inside the box. These are all just different ways of saying 'shut up'. Your only option is to dismiss because you are unequipped to engage.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

...sammy I've read your posts here with interest. I highly doubt that with your breadth of knowledge you stop at the surface and glance in this way ^

i can go both ways . . .im a skeptic at heart but i also do not ignore the unexplainable and odd . . . . saying this i can be a walking contradiction i believe in many supernatural things but i also shout SCIENCE from the roof tops . . . . i think there is much yet to be explained by science . . . . and most that is explained is just the tip of teh iceberg , so to speak

i am also very spiritual in a very basic way, the life spark is god to me

it goes deeper than that but i do have a lot of resentment toward organized religion , i am totally down with beliefs just not ones with inherent control over actions or ones that do not allow or except the ever changing nuances of life and the world/universe as we know it

 

[eye exaggerate]

I don't understand what you mean, could you try to explain this another way?

...I can try. Man looked up at the sky, outside of himself, that had to have been the most interesting background for man at the time. Man noticed patterns. We call it apophenia, in most cases. But, I don't know that these folks could help but notice that man, as a group, acted in certain ways in certain times of the year. Bigger patterns emerged from those, etc. (This coming Dec 21, f.e.). We pulled science (systems) down from the sky. If it were to be anthropomorphized, you could say that science wouldn't stop at the surface of the earth, right? It would keep digging like scientists do.

Science is great for getting to know how material ticks. Spiritual endeavor is great for getting to know how the other 3 parts of man tick (bringing it all together - which is what church symbolized). At some point, it has to come to a point. You realize that math is like dark matter - there's a lot of it, and it seems to keep going forever. The sparks out there, says spiritual endeavor, are more important to see 'within'. Nothing super special about that. Just different views for people at different points / coordinates

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

No, it isn't.

"Science is the best thing that humanity has ever come up with. And if it isn't, then science will fix it." - Bill Nye

See?




The only one stomping feet is you. You want to be able to spew your arm-chair spirituality, which includes attacking science and reason, without being presented with opposition. You have never given one good reason to believe in God or anything supernatural, your only recourse has been to say that science is flawed, as if that is all that is needed to support your view.

"Science is suspect therefore my pet theory must be correct."

You have shown a double standard cynicism and a quirk for accusing others of all the same idiotic tactics you yourself are using. You have resorted to the mentality of a child by saying "I know you are but what am I".



Again, nothing but ad hominem attacks. Nothing to support your view except saying there is support. In 6 months you have never once been able to defend your claims, you simply fall back on the same tired criticisms that all pseudoscience uses whether it be esp, creationism, ancient aliens, bigfoot hunters, ghost hunters, homeopathy, or any other pseudoscientific crap that can not muster defense of itself.

Lets look at the common signs that we expect to see in a debate of science vs pseudoscience:

"They will attack us personally, impugn our motives, accuse us of fictitious conflicts of interest, question the appropriateness of spending time writing to the public, and try very hard to characterize us as closed-minded."

Seems to be a playbook of the tactics used here. When you can not demonstrate, defend, or even explain your claims, your only recourse is name calling, saying we are scared of truth, saying we are wasting time, and that we think inside the box. These are all just different ways of saying 'shut up'. Your only option is to dismiss because you are unequipped to engage.

I gave reasons, but you guys did not agree with those reasons and tried desperately to pull my explanations back down to physical reality and force some materialistic purpose to them. Dreams, lucid dreams, NDE's and OBE's, psychedelics, etc, all things you desperately try to bring back to your world. Plus, its not my purpose to prove god to you guys, that is impossible, I just want to discuss with like minded people. It is you who does the preaching and attacking because you dont like that the majority of the world thinks you guys are full of shit, it is a grudge. Even a non biased educated agnostic (greenswag) agrees with me, why hasnt he sided with you if your judgments are so right? He looks are one side of the argument and thinks "good point" looks at the other side of the argument and thinks "Oh, another good point". Is his thinking flawed as well because it conflicts with yours? Im sure there must be something flawed there, because you always have to be right, no room for improvement in your mentality. It seems this sheltered bigot has life figured out!

No Heis, it is still you guys doing the stomping and preaching, it is always the opposition doing the stomping and preaching. It is so sad that you are convinced you have everything figured out here.

 

[Padawanbater2]

LOL wow, that first line shows how deluded you are. Science is a primitive and shallow tool that dips its toe into the ocean of reality and says its completely ridiculous if someone ever wanted to jump in.

We dont seek conflict, that is not our intention. We want to have a good time and speak to like minded people. The conflict comes from you because you have a personal problem with peoples way of thinking. Theres no legitimate criticism science can offer for gods and souls, no matter how much stomp your feet and preach, you have nothing.

No, that is desperate and false example you came up with. I accept the accomplishments of science. Nice try though. The fact that you think you have the correct way of thinking is arrogant, ignorant and bigoted. Its the same mentality that causes wars, so your mindset is direct proof that even if there wasnt any religion, the hate and chaos would remain the same throughout history. Also, did you forget about my experiences that you love hearing about so much? There is plenty to back up the claims of us spiritualists, some even done by science, but you try desperately to pull our explanations back to the physical world and force a materialistic cause to something you know absolutely nothing about. Its no longer a quest for truth with you but a grudge with people that do not agree with you. You have no voice when trying to convince other people of their supposedly illogical beliefs yet you will continue your futile crusade. Reality is going to suck in the future.

(edit) I never talked to my friends yet. One invited me to his birthday last week then the bastard logged off without giving me the details, never talked to him since.

Yet you consistently fail to present a better system of understanding reality when pressed for one.

Science is all encompassing, it is in every aspect of your life. Science is what took 12 men to the moon and allowed Walsh and Piccard to descend to the deepest part of the ocean. Primitive? Please. What's primitive is your capacity to think and understand scientific concepts which you take completely for granted. You don't understand how something could be explained by natural means so you apply an unnatural explanation to it and hold it to a different set of standards than what reality permits, and to you, that makes it unnatural. You fail to realize it's not the technology or concept that's unnatural, it's your unscientific rationalization of it. You would be laughed out of any field in academia if you brought this shit to a university.

You argue and refuse to acknowledge any reasonable explanations, even from those in the midst of the field in question, if it doesn't coincide with your beliefs. Those who value science accept that we don't have all the answers and we accept that information is subject to change with new data that might come along. Nothing is set in stone in science, yet you're completely unmoving in your beliefs no matter what the evidence tells you. Unreasonable people can't be reasoned with. You don't value logic or reason, so what logical or reasonable explanation will make any difference to a person like you?

Science has all but eliminated the God hypothesis. Check the statistics for yourself, more and more people are turning away from organized religion toward a more rational, secular explanation of reality. Organized religion only creates more questions that never have answers. I know it's hard to free yourself from the shackles, it's scary, and that's why you and billions of other people haven't. You can kick and scream all you want as we move into the future and your vision will only become more bleak and irrational, as technology advances, it drives our own evolution and understanding.

You don't accept science, you cherry pick what you want and discard what makes you uncomfortable or you don't understand.

There is nothing tangible to back up any spiritual claim anyone has ever made in all of human history. Everything presented quickly gets exposed as a hoax or fraud, like the Shroud of Turin. What evidence do you have anything, ever, spiritual exists? Nobody can speak to the dead although millions of people claim they can, nobody can read minds, although millions of people claim they can, witches don't exist, vampires don't exist, you won't get a pot of gold if you catch a leprechaun or 3 wishes if you rub a 'magic' lamp and Santa Claus won't be coming down your chimney this year with a sack of presents for you, bud. The bullshit you espouse here is right there with em, and you have nothing to show for yourself that says otherwise except anecdotal evidence, hearsay, and friends that for some reason refuse to corroborate your story, even though it would be the biggest discovery in human history. You showed up to the gunfight with empty pockets while I brought the Space Shuttle.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

Yet you consistently fail to present a better system of understanding reality when pressed for one.

Science is all encompassing, it is in every aspect of your life. Science is what took 12 men to the moon and allowed Walsh and Piccard to descend to the deepest part of the ocean. Primitive? Please. What's primitive is your capacity to think and understand scientific concepts which you take completely for granted. You don't understand how something could be explained by natural means so you apply an unnatural explanation to it and hold it to a different set of standards than what reality permits, and to you, that makes it unnatural. You fail to realize it's not the technology or concept that's unnatural, it's your unscientific rationalization of it. You would be laughed out of any field in academia if you brought this shit to a university.

You argue and refuse to acknowledge any reasonable explanations, even from those in the midst of the field in question, if it doesn't coincide with your beliefs. Those who value science accept that we don't have all the answers and we accept that information is subject to change with new data that might come along. Nothing is set in stone in science, yet you're completely unmoving in your beliefs no matter what the evidence tells you. Unreasonable people can't be reasoned with. You don't value logic or reason, so what logical or reasonable explanation will make any difference to a person like you?

Science has all but eliminated the God hypothesis. Check the statistics for yourself, more and more people are turning away from organized religion toward a more rational, secular explanation of reality. Organized religion only creates more questions that never have answers. I know it's hard to free yourself from the shackles, it's scary, and that's why you and billions of other people haven't. You can kick and scream all you want as we move into the future and your vision will only become more bleak and irrational, as technology advances, it drives our own evolution and understanding.

You don't accept science, you cherry pick what you want and discard what makes you uncomfortable or you don't understand.

There is nothing tangible to back up any spiritual claim anyone has ever made in all of human history. Everything presented quickly gets exposed as a hoax or fraud, like the Shroud of Turin. What evidence do you have anything, ever, spiritual exists? Nobody can speak to the dead although millions of people claim they can, nobody can read minds, although millions of people claim they can, witches don't exist, vampires don't exist, you won't get a pot of gold if you catch a leprechaun or 3 wishes if you rub a 'magic' lamp and Santa Claus won't be coming down your chimney this year with a sack of presents for you, bud. The bullshit you espouse here is right there with em, and you have nothing to show for yourself that says otherwise except anecdotal evidence, hearsay, and friends that for some reason refuse to corroborate your story, even though it would be the biggest discovery in human history. You showed up to the gunfight with empty pockets while I brought the Space Shuttle.

Lol you got nothing Pad! All you have is a personal grudge and an attitude. Theres plenty of things out there that suggest theres most likely a spirit world with souls and gods, and you desperately try to bring those things back to your perspective and claim it is the only way to view them when in reality its just you being stubborn and clinging on to a belief.

Extremists are going to be extremists I guess. If any of these guys were Muslim they would be a terrorist, if they were Christian then they would be like the Westboro Baptist Church. No matter what belief, even yours Pad, extremists create war and destruction, and you are an extremist.