++Hellraizers++ DO AND DONTs and in and outs of the ebb&grow/ebb&flow systems

hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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hxvoc said:
thanks guys. I am running 2 different strains and it seams like the querkle im running is doing it more than the other. I was just thinking about it being such a slow vegger. I think this is my problem and I may have to do away with the strain for now running zero veg. My other strain is ppp and it seems to do ok but i have to usually burn them a little to keep the nute sucking querkles happy.

@hellraizer. What do you think is so wrong with maxibloom? I thought you were a big fan of the lucas formula. I read the kiss thread and people are having great success with tap water running maxi.

Just gonna run the ppp's next time and seem how they run.
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Theres a few nute companys you can use for lucas, and i found AN grow/micro/bloom to be the best at 5/8/16
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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drgreentm said:
if you have a strain that tends to not stretch much in flower let them veg until first signs of new grow after transplant from cloner, this ensures the first week (stretch period) in flower is not consumed by shocked clones.. I had this same problem going into zero veg and found letting the plants recoupe a bit before putting them under 12/12 yielded the best results.
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Interesting drg i think im going to try this here in 10days when my clones are rooted!
so just enough veg to see some new growth right ?
 
drgreentm

drgreentm

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hellraizer30 said:
Interesting drg i think im going to try this here in 10days when my clones are rooted!
so just enough veg to see some new growth right ?
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yup then as soon as you can see some visible growth flip them, you watch they will take off like a rocket lol. the WW i grew was the worst, if i threw a fresh clone in flower they would end up like 8" lol but i dont use large clones ether. even now i have started stepping my plants down to 12/12, i veg 24/7 then when i put them under the 1k's i set the timer to 18/6 for like 5 days then 12/12.
 
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BLOCKER

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after some talks about my nutradip trimeter, it measures in ec not ppm, i know heath robinson does 1.2ec all the way through his grows but his is fast circulating system, im assuming its that low because they are constantly under water and just grab the nutes they would like, this system is different so my question is..
In this system. what ec levels should i aim for:

clone:
veg:
flower:

thankyou guys, well after working out im not at 800ppm im actually at 1.8 ec 5 of my plants doing ok, 1 still seems to be burning abit, ofcourse i need to alter again, will do it tommorow , man my luck sucks.. please help experts, i will get this thing right
 
hornedfrog2000

hornedfrog2000

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Veg a bit. I think a 600 can penetrate a two foot cola pretty good. Plus if you lolli it shouldnt need the bottom third anyway. Ill watch this for details.
 
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akpaco

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HR,

Going to plant tomorrow and am going to use the cubes this run... So just to confirm you use straight cubes? And was thinking about maybe adding a silicon supp like protek? Rhino skin is to expensive. But was told today that any supp other then AN won't uptake using PH perfect g/m/b I kind of thought that was bullshit?

Thanks!
 
georgeforeman

georgeforeman

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hellraizer30 said:
Yes buckets are raised, but remember this even though you loose flood hiegth you dont need
to plant low! Why cause growdan wicks so good, and will soak to the top.
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i saw in another thread that you only flood about 2" up. Is that 2" up from the bottom of the inner bucket? Right now i have my buckets raised 1.5" above the floor so the inner bucket gets flooded 4" high. Should i raise them up even more since rockwool wicks so good. Seems like wicking would be better than submerging/soaking.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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akpaco said:
HR,

Going to plant tomorrow and am going to use the cubes this run... So just to confirm you use straight cubes? And was thinking about maybe adding a silicon supp like protek? Rhino skin is to expensive. But was told today that any supp other then AN won't uptake using PH perfect g/m/b I kind of thought that was bullshit?

Thanks!
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I got to ask bro who told you that? Pm me about it. Best results in a ebb was with cubes, but soak them for 30 min in 5.5 ph
water. On the silica, protek is the only one i would use! Rhino will muck up your res bad. Using silica can cause some ph issues
but if your still on ph perfect your ok.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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georgeforeman said:
i saw in another thread that you only flood about 2" up. Is that 2" up from the bottom of the inner bucket? Right now i have my buckets raised 1.5" above the floor so the inner bucket gets flooded 4" high. Should i raise them up even more since rockwool wicks so good. Seems like wicking would be better than submerging/soaking.
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Hey george the 2in is how high to raise your buckets, doing this lowers the flood level but allows your buckets to drain out
better. Theres no issue with lowering flood level if your using growdan, cause of the wick abilitys.
 
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akpaco

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HR,

I transplanted into the grodan cubes.. I have my lights on 24 hours right now and I have the timer set to water twice.. You said you water twice in veg? Is that on an 18/6 schedule? Not sure if I should go to 3 times in 24 or switch to 18/6 and water twice.. I kind of like running 24 hours the first week to try to get them going. What do you think?

Thanks
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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I have seen zero difference in 18/6 or 24 but yah you want to flood less to make them roots search
for a bit, then switch to x3
 
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akpaco

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Thanks bro!!!

When you veg do you run your lights 18/6 also? I'll switch to 18/6 tomorrow and keep it 2x a day....
 
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