ok, a simple math question, not trying to play you in any way or undermine your op. I know your not getting twenty pounds from 20 plants, i know that from looking at your picture, based on how close together, how tall and only having aerial light. I could stretch the benefit of the doubt to the extreme and would be willing to say lets say you get have that for the sake of the math question which i know your not getting ten. anyhow. lets say you were getting ten, with twenty plants at 2k watts, if i use a 600watt for aerial, and drop a 400watt vertically into the middle of my jungle am i not gonna get more buds from my plants than you? I wasnt trying to insult your setup, Most people not just noobs, think that the more plants you have the more you harvest or the higher the wattage. I said prev that one small plant thats covered in bud to where you cant see the stem will have better smoke, and yield more than a plant twice its size if it not lit right. Your mylar or ref white surface doesnt do it, YOU CANT GET THE MOST FROM YOUR PLANT IF SHES NOT LIT UP FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. NOT YOU WONT HARVEST GOOD OR HAVE BAD "DANK" YOU WONT GET THE BEST FROM YOUR PLANT. I HAVE HAD PLANTS THAT WERE NO BIGGER THAN 2 FEET WITH ALMOST A QT PER. AND I RAN 35 FROM A 4X4 UNDER A 400WATT WITH A 300WATT CFL EQUIV IN THE CENTER. AND HARVESTED EVERY 2-4 WEEKS. I DONT HAVE PICS OF THAT HARVEST AT THE TIME I HAD IT, PEOPLE STILL HAD BEEPERS DAMN NEAR. I DO HAVE PICS OF MY PERSONAL OP BUT PURPOSELY DID NOT WANT TO POST IT UP BECAUSE I KNOW IT CANT COMPETE WITH WHAT ALOT OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE IN THE SENSE OF MAGNITUDE WISE. AND MY PROBLEM WAS SPECIFIC SO DIDNT FEEL THE NEED TO JUSTIFY IT WITH A PIC TO HEAR THE REPLIES THAT I ALREADY KNEW WHAT WERE THEY GONNA BE. MY PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED HAS TO BE SOMETHING OUT THE BOX, SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THAT PATICULAR PHENOTYPE OR SEED. AND I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE CREATED STRAINS BEFORE, NOT BECAUSE I KNOW MORE THAN YOU OR ANY OF THE REST OF YOU. i ONCE USED A NINE VOLT BATTER WITH SOME WIRES AND WATER AND SHOCKED MORE TRICHOMES ON TO A PLANT. IT HAD 3% MORE THC THAN THE MOTHER PLANT, DOES THIS MEAN IT WILL WORK EVERY TIME OR FOR YOU NO. MY PROBLEM WAS SPECIFIC, HAS ANYONE EVER HAD EVERY PLANT IN THEIR GROW FINE EXCEPT FOR ONE PLANT, THAT ONLY HAD BROWN SPOTS ON IT, NO YELLOWING NOT WHITE SPOT NO MITES, JUST BROWN SPOTS, HEAVIER IN CERTAIN AREAS THAN SOME.. NOW IF YOU REALLY NEED A DISCRIP AFTER KNOW WHAT BREED, YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION. IF THERES MORE THAN ONE PLANT GROWING FINE UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS, THE CONDITIONS SHOULD BE IRELAVANT, UNLESS YOUR GONNA TELL ME THAT THE WHITE WIDOW CHEESE MIX, CAN ONLY BE GROWN IN 1 TYPE OF MEDIUM, AND ONLY SOMEONE WHOS GROWN IT, WOULD HAVE A CLOSE ENOUGH ADVICE TO GIVE ME. WHY SO MUCH HATE FROM THAT..SMH