Mychorizzal, is it missing in our super soil mix?

[foreverflyhi]

So I've been doing mad research lately with books like teaming with microbes and true living organics by the rev.
In subs super soil recipe, mychorrizal is not added, but does mention that base soil NEEDS mychorrizal as this is a huge part in the success of super soil.

According to the rev, and I quote " don't bother using bagged soil mix that has added mycorrhizal fungus here, because it will not survive the cooking process without living plant rootz to attach to, so although its not harmful in any way, it's just a waste of money."

this made me think, (correct me if I'm wrong), but I never heard sub mention to add mychorrizal after the cooking process. I believe we just assume its in there because our base soil claims to already have it.
For my mix I did add mychorrizal, and after reading this, I realized I spent more then I should of, but even worse, I never added mychorrizal when I introduced the soil with my plants.

That means, (assuming mychorrizal only survives with rootz to attach too) mychorrizal can be missing in most super soil mixes. (assuming you never inoculated before transplanting)
this also means that most bag soils that have mychorrizal already added, can be deceiving.

I quickly went to my local hydro and purchased water soluble mycho and drench the fuck out of my roots and hope they start doing there thing in time.

For my next super soil mix, I will be transplanting with both water soluble and granular mychorrizal just to make sure it's properly inoculated.

However, I would like to add that I'm sure Mychorizzal, or other beneficial fungi are present in good quality soil, it's just a matter of is there enough of it to do what it's suppose to do?



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[crazyhazey]

So I've been doing mad research lately with books like teaming with microbes and true living organics by the rev.
In subs super soil recipe, mychorrizal is not added, but does mention that base soil NEEDS mychorrizal as this is a huge part in the success of super soil.
According to the rev, and I quote " don't bother using bagged soil mix that has added mycorrhizal fungus here, because it will not survive the cooking process without living plant rootz to attach to, so although its not harmful in any way, it's just a waste of money."

this made me think, (correct me if I'm wrong), but I never heard sub mention to add mychorrizal after the cooking process. I believe we just assume its in there because our base soil claims to already have it.
For my mix I did add mychorrizal, and after reading this, I realized I spent more then I should of, but even worse, I never added mychorrizal when I introduced the soil with my plants.
That means, (assuming mychorrizal only survives with rootz to attach too) mychorrizal can be missing in most super soil mixes. (assuming you never inoculated before transplanting)
this also means that most bag soils that have mychorrizal already added, can be deceiving.

I quickly went to my local hydro and purchased water soluble mycho and drench the fuck out of my roots and hope they start doing there thing in time.

For my next super soil mix, I will be transplanting with both water soluble and granular mychorrizal just to make sure it's properly inoculated.

just about every type of soil has microbes in it like mycorrhyzae and they all dont die out when left on the shelf for too long but plenty of em do since they lack sugars and oxygen, you can recolonize your soil by simply letting it sit in a compost bin, adding some earth worms, and feeding it sugars for about 3-4 weeks(soda, old fruit, juice, anything that isnt dairy or meat or else breaking it down will take forever, the worms in my compost bin broke down half a watermelon in just about 2 weeks though so some things compost quicker than others), or make compost tea. the fastest growing plants in your yard are growin like that because the microbes like that type of plant so taking the roots and composting them is very effective, sometimes i tear up the roots and just add it to my top soil.

 

[foreverflyhi]

just about every type of soil has microbes in it like mycorrhyzae and they all dont die out when left on the shelf for too long but plenty of em do since they lack sugars and oxygen, you can recolonize your soil by simply letting it sit in a compost bin, adding some earth worms, and feeding it sugars for about 3-4 weeks(soda, old fruit, juice, anything that isnt dairy or meat or else breaking it down will take forever, the worms in my compost bin broke down half a watermelon in just about 2 weeks though so some things compost quicker than others), or make compost tea. the fastest growing plants in your yard are growin like that because the microbes like that type of plant so taking the roots and composting them is very effective, sometimes i tear up the roots and just add it to my top soil.

Interesting, beautiful how organics works isnt it?
Everything is connected.

 

[crazyhazey]

Interesting, beautiful how organics works isnt it?
Everything is connected.

it really is, theres so many things a plant needs that synthetics just dont deliver(sugars, microbes, etc), makes me feel dumb for ever trying a grow with all synthetics from start to finish, the best part about organics though has to be the fact that its so hard to over do it, burning a plant with bat guano/worm castings is like trying to burn water haha.

 

[Agito]

he does add them to the mix put i think adding them in a pot up is a good idea as there suppose to be in direct contact quickly

he claims the white stuff on top is the food web

 

[foreverflyhi]

Well, I think the white fuzzy stuff(mycellium) Could actually be something diffrent, not just the Mychorizzal, could be decay, or other benifical fungi.

 

[Shawns]

the base soil has the mycorrhizae in it yes? so by putting base soil in the top half of your pot your reintroducing the mycorrhizae to the super soil, not sure if this is what your looking for

 

[Rising Moon]

All the products available at my local grow shop are pretty questionable...

Products adveritized specifically to herb growers are not synonymous with high quality.

"MycoGrow" by Fungi Perfecti is an incredible line of products, for amazing prices. Fungi Perfecti is the leading medicinal mushroom product/research facility in the world. And the inoculations I get from them are FAR better than any other I have tried. My soil literally turns into a "Myco Mat" and resembles the virgin forest floor by the time I harvest.

Here is a shot of my roots after harvest. Check out that THICK, HEALTHY mycelial growth!

 

[medical/420]

so if it needs roots to live, how would be buying a can/bottle of it be any differnt than in a bag of soil????

it that was true, the only way it would survive is to crumble old roots on to your new plants. Right?

 

[foreverflyhi]

the base soil has the mycorrhizae in it yes? so by putting base soil in the top half of your pot your reintroducing the mycorrhizae to the super soil, not sure if this is what your looking for

Well yes, but, according to the rev, and teaming with microbes, Mychorizzal cant survive the cooking process with out live roots to attach to, all bags of soil go thru a cooking process, so therefore, the bags don't really have it?

Would like to mention that I'm not sure on this, what I'm saying is just what information I'm going off of. I'm really not sure

 

[foreverflyhi]

All the products available at my local grow shop are pretty questionable...

Products adveritized specifically to herb growers are not synonymous with high quality.

"MycoGrow" by Fungi Perfecti is an incredible line of products, for amazing prices. Fungi Perfecti is the leading medicinal mushroom product/research facility in the world. And the inoculations I get from them are FAR better than any other I have tried. My soil literally turns into a "Myco Mat" and resembles the virgin forest floor by the time I harvest.

Here is a shot of my roots after harvest. Check out that THICK, HEALTHY mycelial growth!

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Beautiful!! Will look into that product line, you inoculate before transplant?

 

[foreverflyhi]

so if it needs roots to live, how would be buying a can/bottle of it be any differnt than in a bag of soil????

it that was true, the only way it would survive is to crumble old roots on to your new plants. Right?

Well, the bottle of mycho is (in theory) alive, like mention early, Mychorizzal does not survive the cooking process, ALL soil companies cook their soil before being put in bags.


and that's a great idea! Adding crumbles roots may work.
And also you bring up a good point, re using soil or super soil, roots are still in the old soil, so in theory the mycho should still be In there, attached to the roots. Now another question is, does the mycho survive with "dead" roots, or does it need live roots?

 

[grownbykane]

Well, the bottle of mycho is (in theory) alive, like mention early, Mychorizzal does not survive the cooking process, ALL soil companies cook their soil before being put in bags.


and that's a great idea! Adding crumbles roots may work.
And also you bring up a good point, re using soil or super soil, roots are still in the old soil, so in theory the mycho should still be In there, attached to the roots. Now another question is, does the mycho survive with "dead" roots, or does it need live roots?

your are right about the fugus not "living" without roots to bond with, but the spores can remain dormant in soil ( or a container on a store shelf) for a very long time. this is how i understand things anyways.

 

[Endur0xX]

Hey FlyHi thanks for the infos!!!

FYI, I was doing something right without knowing hehe. My promix comes with mychorizzal, and since the top layer is always plain promix, I always had it in there to start with.

 

[Rising Moon]

The best way to introduce these organisms into the grow medium is by doing a root drench at the time of transplant.

I use "soluble" mycorrhizae powder, and make a slurry of it in a bucket to roll my transplants around before they go into their final pots or the earth.

This way you can be sure that these little guys are right where you want them, and not "lost" or wasted in the soil mix.

 

[foreverflyhi]

The best way to introduce these organisms into the grow medium is by doing a root drench at the time of transplant.

I use "soluble" mycorrhizae powder, and make a slurry of it in a bucket to roll my transplants around before they go into their final pots or the earth.

This way you can be sure that these little guys are right where you want them, and not "lost" or wasted in the soil mix.

Another thing I agree with you

 

[Shawns]

Not sure with other soils put with the promix they use mycorrhizal inoculant witch are spores that react with water, Once the spores have been activated then yes they need roots to survive, so i figure as long as your base soil doesn't get wet till you use it you should be good to go

 

[Endur0xX]

last bag I bought was damp (the bag was heavier than the usual and sure enough it felt like it was ever so slightly wet), does it mean the mychos were dead?

 

[Shawns]

I'm not really sure I just did a little research and thats what I came up with, Try bio-organics.com

 

[foreverflyhi]

last bag I bought was damp (the bag was heavier than the usual and sure enough it felt like it was ever so slightly wet), does it mean the mychos were dead?

Well I wouldn't jump to that conclusion, maybe some turned active, and some are just waiting for the roots.
shawns brought up a good point, maybe the soil is pre inoculated with spores and maybe they are just sitting in there waiting to host on to the roots?

I think, we shouldn't assume our soil is inoculated and ready to go, to b extra sure we should inoculate before transplant?