C99 - Chemdog using Useless formula for cheap grows.

[BigBuddahCheese]

Here is the GH Nutes Chemdog that came in little over 9oz dry weight. Not bad but could have been better with the slight Mg deficiencies.




Nug shots..



Lets fire some up.. happy new year!

 

[solid$nake]

Looking good, what was your conclusion on the Supernatural line up growing in hydro ? I'm currently running the line up. Nice nugs.

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

Looking good, what was your conclusion on the Supernatural line up growing in hydro ? I'm currently running the line up. Nice nugs.

They were great... Just needed a touch of mg in flower to stop the spotting but that's because my RO is near zero. The powder was a bit messy but other then that a great line. Probably my second choice in all in one nute.

Cheap, complete and easy so ya good choice.

 

[johnnymcpotts]

looks great

did you follow the standard feeding with GH or go Lucas?

I checked out those OG Hoods and they do look pretty sweet, that might have to be my next investment

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

I used the "useless formula" that is a slightly lowered modified GH schedule he states, seem to work great. Just the transition needed more Mg but I think its because my RO unit is near ZERO.

Yes OG hoods are awesome, bit pricey and little smaller but trust me they rock as far as penetration and light spread at least at 6-7 foot above the floor. I am going to buy two more here soon, because again I am opening a new room for a bit more space.

 

[Evo8Emperor]

Hey buddah what's up man ?

So I read through the thread till you got po'd at the troll dude. lol.

So I seen your still using Dyna-grow over supernatural now ? Ive been experimenting and I recently bought some Dyna-grow. Wasn't sure if I should of added some cal-mag to the mix seeing it says its in there but it looks like you did. I'm seeing the claw on my bigger mom so I'm guessing now she's a little deficient still i guess. My RH is at like 49%. A/c is running in the room and I just opened up the tent to get it lower. All of a sudden it jumped and I haven't changed anything...has me stumped.

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

Hey buddah what's up man ?

So I read through the thread till you got po'd at the troll dude. lol.

So I seen your still using Dyna-grow over supernatural now ? Ive been experimenting and I recently bought some Dyna-grow. Wasn't sure if I should of added some cal-mag to the mix seeing it says its in there but it looks like you did. I'm seeing the claw on my bigger mom so I'm guessing now she's a little deficient still i guess. My RH is at like 49%. A/c is running in the room and I just opened up the tent to get it lower. All of a sudden it jumped and I haven't changed anything...has me stumped.

If you are using RO water then yes definitely, I would recommend just Epsom salt instead at .5 to 1 tsp per gallon that's what I do now and all my slight deficiencies are now gone. So much that I am going to try supernatural one more run to give I a fair shake, as it was easy and did a nice job until the mg signs showed up, but I could been running it too low on EC as well so, I have another chemdog now running on just supernatural and Epsom and no tip burn or mg deficiencies so far, less lime green too which I always thought was nitrogen, but mg has big play in chlorophyll and other catalysts which never had me thinking in the mg deficiencies.

You know what else now my ph use to always go down, meaning over feeding to most but when the plant is chomping on all the mg it can get it releases cations to the water that causes it to negative the ph electric balance. I never had issues so I lived with the dropping but never made the connection till I did research. Since Epsom salts are now added to my RO it is rock solid ph all week long, doh. Seems like everything is growing at a faster rate now too, sinc the plants are not always searching for mg or getting "just enough" to stay healthy and show signs of mg later on three to four weeks into flower. Now they are nothing but living life green like never before, so that is why I want to run supernatural one more time with it like I am with dynagrow.

I was upping the EC as the plants needed it but just for the mg not the other elements which where probably causing issues I did not know about. Now I give them what they need in base nutes as the mg is covered with the Epsom.

Live and learn.


Oh when you induce cold to warm air or vise versa you will have condensation or humidity rise, so if your tent needs cool air and it had it with ac you opened the tent let warm air in rise in RH. You'll need to figure out a optimal procedure to regulate the RH. 49 is not that bad in my opinion mine is in 30-45 range.

 

[Evo8Emperor]

Do you add the epsom salts to your RO res ? I run a 100gpd RO machine into a 40gal trash barrel res. I have a air stone in it to keep it aerated but that's all I do.

So do you get just regular epsom salts found at like walmart ? Not sure if you covered that some where in here if so I missed it. lol.

I am guessing that you were dead on about the tent deal. It was have been a pretty significant difference from in the tent to in the room and from me opening and shutting the tent it must have made the RH fluctuate. I decided to just keep the back door open halfway and the humidity is down to the 40's now in that tent, 30's in the other tent. Also put the a/c on a dry cool instead.

I'm going to re-route my fan as well. I have it pulling through the scrubber in the tent and I think I am going to switch it so that its pushing the air through the carbon filter upon exit instead. So I can get the air out faster. I have the digital 1k hps in there and a 450cfm 4" can fan for the exhaust. temps with the a/c are nice and pretty much what ever I want. Even still I am going to be upgrading the exhaust to a big 10 or 12in exhaust to exhaust the whole room and Im going to kill the a/c for the winter. That's how I had it before just haven't bought another big exhaust yet. From there I plan on using the 4in for an intake.

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

Yes Epsom salt in the pharmacy in most stores, big ole box is like 3 bucks. It's night and day between running RO with and with out it, I add tsp per gallon right to res. I was foliar feeding it but it's just as easy to add it. Just warm a cup water in microwave till its warm then I add all my Epsom to that dissolve then add it to res, seems to mix better in warming water then cold water I add.

Ya I'm adding a 800cfm fan to my second flower today as I replaced my eBay carbon scrubber with one from local store, it's sad that the one I was using was about 20 lbs and the new on is close to sixty and same diameter length but more carbon, so I assume better scrubbing.

 

[johnnymcpotts]

I picked up an RO unit and installed it a few days ago. It sure puts off a lot of waste water! Do you do anything with your waste water or just dump it down the drain?

I would like to find a good use for it, I really hate waste. It looks like the PPM goes up by 10-15 over tap water and the PH goes up a bit.

Any thoughts? Would a whole house filter help reduce the amount of waste water? Im thinking cleaner water before it hits the RO unit might make for less waste?

 

[onthedl0008]

Great info and convo going on in here buddah i think im gonna give the dynagrow a try i been useing an grow micro and bloom but need to find somethinggood in the bloom department im really likeing the an micro man if u got any yellowing whatsoever just a shot of micro n ur shyts green like overnight so im gonna keep it around but the bloom just aint cutting it either that or its just some really weak stuff man..
How strong would u say the dynagrow nutes are is it pretty potent stuff im saying does a little go a long way?

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

Here is a day 58 pic of the Chemdog on DynaGro.. was pushing it a bit harder then normal for awhile, got touch of tip burns but buds look stronger then ever. I have about 18-20 colas like these two on ONE plant.. plus big secondary nugs that rival many main colas on other strains.. this strain is a giver.



but... the testing is not over!

I just ordered two 5lb bags of Jack's Pro Hydro mix, that is SUPER cheap and has a cult following. That might be my next experiment on here.

Probably last me 10 years on even a weekly changing nute schedule for 50 bucks!! If this stuff delivers like many claim, I am down for it.

 

[onthedl0008]

Good luck on the jacks buddah i had a problem with the calcium nitrate not chelateing in my water.. I didnt have any problems persay just ended up with a thick waxxy like film on top of my water so i had to discontinue i really wanted it to work ive seen some excellent results especially roots made with those nutes are outta this world. Also i was useing a quarter pound of nutes on my 80 gallon res to get it at 1300ppm so they dont really go quite as far as ur thinkin. Hope they work for u tho lol ima try the dyna flower nutes next.

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

Good luck on the jacks buddah i had a problem with the calcium nitrate not chelateing in my water.. I didnt have any problems persay just ended up with a thick waxxy like film on top of my water so i had to discontinue i really wanted it to work ive seen some excellent results especially roots made with those nutes are outta this world. Also i was useing a quarter pound of nutes on my 80 gallon res to get it at 1300ppm so they dont really go quite as far as ur thinkin. Hope they work for u tho lol ima try the dyna flower nutes next.

Ya just another one of my "experiments" my main flower is still dyna line/supernatural until I see something that can compete. I run nowhere near 2.6EC or your 1300ppm. I am in the 1.6-1.8 range, so right there is almost half and I use 3.5/5 gallons. With JP charts 1tsp should be 400 or so, so as you see that 5lb will last me forever.

Also I noticed this :

These products must be dissolved either in a two-tank system or in dilute (or Ready-to-Use) quantities. Following these specific stepwise directions is vital, along with the knowledge that these items should NEVER be mixed in a concentrate tank together.

Maybe you did not do that? Not sure but we will see, I am all about the money staying in my pocket and not on my plants.

 

[onthedl0008]

No buddah in fact i did not mix them accordingly to those specific directions perhaps the fuck up was entirely on my part now after seeing that post. I still have some left honestly ill keep it real i wanted the jacks solution to work for me ive never see such a healthy root zone.. Maybe ill have to give them a proper shot afterall!

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

No buddah in fact i did not mix them accordingly to those specific directions perhaps the fuck up was entirely on my part now after seeing that post. I still have some left honestly ill keep it real i wanted the jacks solution to work for me ive never see such a healthy root zone.. Maybe ill have to give them a proper shot afterall!

Sweet give it another try then.. I really have not heard one bad thing about these Jack's nutrients.. other then the "big guy" nutrient suppliers do not want you using or reading about them. I know there is little tweaks to get a bit more out of your crop, but a plant is a plant and it needs just basic needs to provide you with exceptional buds. All the hype, marketing gimmicks are just that gimmics, to open your wallet wide while your eyes are red!

 

[johnnymcpotts]

I look forward to seeing how Jacks does for you. The osmocote plus hempys are doing just as well as my DWCs so far. Will be moving to flower in a few weeks so item will tell

 

[hotrodharley]

"

SPECIAL MIXING DIRECTIONS FOR TRADITIONAL NUTRIENTS

Jack’s Hydroponic formulation and Jack’s Calcium Nitrate are packaged separately, and require a little special attention when mixing - in order to avoid forming a precipitant in the tank. These products must be dissolved either in a two-tank system or in dilute (or Ready-to-Use) quantities. Following these specific stepwise directions is vital, along with the knowledge that these items should NEVER be mixed in a concentrate tank together." Right from their web page. Read the instructions. All of them. Just a suggestion.

 

[Malevolence]

Add 0ppm RO water in my bucket, with PH of 7ish I PH down to about 5.5ph (as the nutes will rise slightly over 24 hour period I have found).

Add 5ml of GH FloraMicro. I let it circulate with the airstone for a couple minutes before adding anything else.

Add 3ml of GH FloraBloom. Again letting it circulate a few mins before adding the rest.

Add 10ml of GH FloraGrow.

Add the Aqua-shield at 20ml and 2ml of voodoo juice, with 1ml of sweet/sugar daddy for food.

No silica this time?

How long did you veg the C99 to grow that rootball?

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

No silica this time?

How long did you veg the C99 to grow that rootball?

Two-three weeks in veg, but mostly the roots grow in flower, probably 6 times the size at the end or more. I cut back the silica at the mid/end of flower I might add it, or might not it depends on the overall branching structure. If I do add it it is at 1ml per gallon.