Obama nominates new Sec.Def and DCI

[lifegoesonbrah]

"The president knows there is a fight ahead, but he's willing to wage it in part because he believes now is the time for a secretary of defense who knows what combat is like up close and what the wounded experience when the war is over. Not only did Hagel volunteer for combat duty in Vietnam, he was awarded two Purple Hearts."

Hagel served as an enlisted man, not an officer. Sounds to me like the right guy for the job of Sec of Defense. Certainly much better than the last handful I can think of: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Panetta...

But we need a good politician to handle all of the "dont ask dont tell" fallout, because that is more important than people dying and stuff.

 

[desert dude]

But we need a good politician to handle all of the "dont ask dont tell" fallout, because that is more important than people dying and stuff.

Exactly. Maybe this Hormel guy who thinks "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is still in force?

Maybe Buck should start one of those presidential petitions to draft Hormel.

I wonder if this Hormel guy is from the Hormel chili family fortune? That shit is nasty. The best canned chili I have tasted is the Stater Brothers store brand!

"Spread a little Hormel chili on your dog!" - Obama/Hormel 2016

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I'm really unclear what difference it makes as to who he chooses for either position. As long as they can speak articulately and relay the administration's position (which is their ENTIRE job description), who gives a shit which automaton is installed?

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

I'm really unclear what difference it makes as to who he chooses for either position. As long as they can speak articulately and relay the administration's position (which is their ENTIRE job description), who gives a shit which automaton is installed?

sad but true.

 

[UncleBuck]

Exactly. Maybe this Hormel guy who thinks "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is still in force?

again, you're just displaying your ignorance. it's not like flipping a light switch, it's a long transition with a lot of fallout along the way.

DADT cases are still ongoing.

http://www.care2.com/causes/victory-as-pentagon-agrees-to-give-dadt-veterans-full-severance-pay.html

but you, being a senile old moron, wouldn't care to acknowledge this reality.

that's OK. racist old coots like you will die off soon enough. thank Dog.

 

[desert dude]

again, you're just displaying your ignorance. it's not like flipping a light switch, it's a long transition with a lot of fallout along the way.

DADT cases are still ongoing.

http://www.care2.com/causes/victory-as-pentagon-agrees-to-give-dadt-veterans-full-severance-pay.html

but you, being a senile old moron, wouldn't care to acknowledge this reality.

that's OK. racist old coots like you will die off soon enough. thank Dog.

I'm sure Hagel would have put a stop to this lawsuit, huh Buck?

 

[UncleBuck]

I'm sure Hagel would have put a stop to this lawsuit, huh Buck?

you're telling me he would have handled it in a neutral fashion given his history of bigoted remarks and insincere, impersonal, politically expedient non-apologies for said bigoted remarks?

let me handle this one for you: "what bigoted remarks?"

i can see the playing dumb from a mile away.

 

[desert dude]

you're telling me he would have handled it in a neutral fashion given his history of bigoted remarks and insincere, impersonal, politically expedient non-apologies for said bigoted remarks?

let me handle this one for you: "what bigoted remarks?"

i can see the playing dumb from a mile away.

I think Hagel would have handled it just fine.

Personally, I much prefer a guy who speaks his mind and fucks up occasionally to a smarmy politician who says "all the right things".

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Chuck "E-vote" Hagel.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"If You Want To Win An Election, Just Control The Voting Machines" [/FONT] ​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Thom Hartmann[/FONT] ​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Maybe Nebraska Republican Chuck Hagel honestly won two US Senate elections. Maybe it's true that the citizens of Georgia simply decided that incumbent Democratic Senator Max Cleland, a wildly popular war veteran who lost three limbs in Vietnam, was, as his successful Republican challenger suggested in his campaign ads, too unpatriotic to remain in the Senate. Maybe George W. Bush, Alabama's new Republican governor Bob Riley, and a small but congressionally decisive handful of other long-shot Republican candidates really did win those states where conventional wisdom and straw polls showed them losing in the last few election cycles. Perhaps, after a half-century of fine-tuning exit polling to such a science that it's now sometimes used to verify how clean elections are in Third World countries, it really did suddenly become inaccurate in the United States in the past six years and just won't work here anymore. Perhaps it's just a coincidence that the sudden rise of inaccurate exit polls happened around the same time corporate-programmed, computer-controlled, modem-capable voting machines began recording and tabulating ballots. But if any of this is true, there's not much of a paper trail from the voters' hand to prove it. You'd think in an open democracy that the government - answerable to all its citizens rather than a handful of corporate officers and stockholders - would program, repair, and control the voting machines. You'd think the computers that handle our cherished ballots would be open and their software and programming available for public scrutiny. You'd think there would be a paper trail of the vote, which could be followed and audited if a there was evidence of voting fraud or if exit polls disagreed with computerized vote counts. You'd be wrong. The respected Washington, DC publication The Hill (www.thehill.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx) has confirmed that former conservative radio talk-show host and now Republican U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel was the head of, and continues to own part interest in, the company that owns the company that installed, programmed, and largely ran the voting machines that were used by most of the citizens of Nebraska. Back when Hagel first ran there for the U.S. Senate in 1996, his company's computer-controlled voting machines showed he'd won stunning upsets in both the primaries and the general election. The Washington Post (1/13/1997) said Hagel's "Senate victory against an incumbent Democratic governor was the major Republican upset in the November election." According to Bev Harris of www.blackboxvoting.org, Hagel won virtually every demographic group, including many largely Black communities that had never before voted Republican. Hagel was the first Republican in 24 years to win a Senate seat in Nebraska. Six years later Hagel ran again, this time against Democrat Charlie Matulka in 2002, and won in a landslide. As his hagel.senate.gov website says, Hagel "was re-elected to his second term in the United States Senate on November 5, 2002 with 83% of the vote. That represents the biggest political victory in the history of Nebraska." What Hagel's website fails to disclose is that about 80 percent of those votes were counted by computer-controlled voting machines put in place by the company affiliated with Hagel. Built by that company. Programmed by that company. "This is a big story, bigger than Watergate ever was," said Hagel's Democratic opponent in the 2002 Senate race, Charlie Matulka (www.lancastercountydemocrats.org/matulka.htm). "They say Hagel shocked the world, but he didn't shock me." Is Matulka the sore loser the Hagel campaign paints him as, or is he democracy's proverbial canary in the mineshaft? In Georgia, Democratic incumbent and war-hero Max Cleland was defeated by Saxby Chambliss, who'd avoided service in Vietnam with a "medical deferment" but ran his campaign on the theme that he was more patriotic than Cleland. While many in Georgia expected a big win by Cleland, the computerized voting machines said that Chambliss had won. The BBC summed up Georgia voters' reaction in a 6 November 2002 headline: "GEORGIA UPSET STUNS DEMOCRATS." The BBC echoed the confusion of many Georgia voters when they wrote, "Mr. Cleland - an army veteran who lost three limbs in a grenade explosion during the Vietnam War - had long been considered 'untouchable' on questions of defense and national security." Between them, Hagel and Chambliss' victories sealed Republican control of the Senate. Odds are both won fair and square, the American way, using huge piles of corporate money to carpet-bomb voters with television advertising. But either the appearance or the possibility of impropriety in an election casts a shadow over American democracy. "The right of voting for representatives is the primary right by which all other rights are protected," wrote Thomas Paine over 200 years ago. "To take away this right is to reduce a man to slavery.." [/FONT]

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm

 

[UncleBuck]

Personally, I much prefer a guy who speaks his mind and fucks up occasionally to a smarmy politician who says "all the right things".

that must explain all the nice things you've said about joe biden then.

oh, wait. you just made an ass out of yourself again. nevermind.

 

[echelon1k1]

oh look another racist accusation by a liberal, shocking.

According to Buckwheat were all just Nigger guys... there i said it

 

[cannabineer]

Imo you are using a very ugly word to make a point I can't see. cn

 

[echelon1k1]

According to Buck everyone who doesn't agree with his OPINIONS is a racist

I'm just sick of the PC garbage... No Southpark fans here?

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

According to Buck everyone who doesn't agree with his OPINIONS is a racist

I'm just sick of the PC garbage... No Southpark fans here?

[video=youtube;eiGkapM1_MI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiGkapM1_MI[/video]


oh yeah lol.

 

[UncleBuck]

According to Buck everyone who doesn't agree with his OPINIONS is a racist

i've never called you racist, and we disagree plenty. ditto lifegoesonbrah. and many others.

there's a few obvious racists on the board, none of them as straightforward as the douche in my sig.

 

[Kite High]

Obama has nominated John Brennan to lead the company and Chuck Hagel as his next Sec/Def. - http://www.smh.com.au/world/obama-makes-controversial-picks-for-security-team-20130108-2cdd7.html

Brennan shouldn't even be a consideration considering his inept handling of information during the aftermath of Neptune Spear. I've never seen an agency "veteran" look so ignorant & uninformed during a press conference. At such a pivotal time in the agencies history, Bazza nominates this bloke? (i suppose it does make sense, as he's been a yes man unlike, McCrystal & Petraeus)

Chuck Hagel i feel is a great choice for Sec/Def. He could do alot in the way of strengthing ties with Middle east states and bringing about peace.
He's also one of the few not bought and paid for by the "Israel First Lobby". If the US decides to back aways from its close ties with Israel, as Obama's actions have indicated, that could be seen as a peace offering by Mid East states, which could go along way in repairing it's damaged image. It also makes sense as Israel offers the US no strategic, military or economic advantage, where as other mid east states can.

What's everyone else think?

I support Israel...fuck the Muslims trash...this is what them muslims need

 

[echelon1k1]

I support Israel...fuck the Muslims trash...this is what them muslims need

Nuke the Mid East... Good Call... I'm sure the already fragile US economy would love that...

 

[echelon1k1]

i've never called you racist, and we disagree plenty. ditto lifegoesonbrah. and many others.

there's a few obvious racists on the board, none of them as straightforward as the douche in my sig.

I'm sure you have and at least implied it... But that's the beauty of free speech. I wan't to hear your opinions

But please for the love of god, provide sources to back up any statements you believe to be fact

 

[UncleBuck]

I'm sure you have and at least implied it... But that's the beauty of free speech. I wan't to hear your opinions

But please for the love of god, provide sources to back up any statements you believe to be fact

not sure i've even implied it with you, i have no reason to.

 

[Kite High]

Nuke the Mid East... Good Call... I'm sure the already fragile US economy would love that...

of course...you're ignorant and anti-semitic...besides dropping a couple of nukes would be way more economical than running around half ass invading...but you wouldn't be able to understand that obviously