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[biochem1l]

what would be the idealized setup for a small area 400 watt light?


what about a 150 watt light

is it true that you want 50 watts per square foot? that would mean around 1.5foot by 1.5 foot for the 150watt light, thinking of scrogging a plant and flowering under the 150 watt light. Would this be the best way to achieve a high quantity of high quality smoke? Want to dial in big paramters that would lead to getting 1 gram per watt.

 

[Slipon]

your right 400W would be best, a 400W roughly cover 3x3 feet depending on hood/reflector

if its only one plant you might get away with less, but in the end you probably end up getting the 400W so might aswell start with that, alternative is to get a nice 250W that both can run MH and HPS that would for sure cover one plant in a scorg

 

[spandy]

what would be the idealized setup for a small area 400 watt light?


what about a 150 watt light

is it true that you want 50 watts per square foot? that would mean around 1.5foot by 1.5 foot for the 150watt light, thinking of scrogging a plant and flowering under the 150 watt light. Would this be the best way to achieve a high quantity of high quality smoke? Want to dial in big paramters that would lead to getting 1 gram per watt.

If you do everything else right, then yes that would achieve a good amount of smoke.

But dude, it's obvious you haven't grown before. Dont over think everything, it's a plant, it will fight to survive. Stop trying to be a pro grower right out of the box, and just concentrate on the basics and getting your plant to stay in the healthy zone for as much of the grow as possible.

This 1 gram a watt crap needs to be taken out of your brain. You want your plants to survive and produce usable bud, that should be your goal for your first grow. Anything more is a pipe dream.

HTGSUPPLY is a good hookup for decent gear at a hard to beat price. You could snag a 150 hps for 70 bucks, or spend a little more and get a switchable 250 that can do the metal halide for your vegging and then switch to hps for flower, and those run about 170. T5's are great for vegging as well.

Read all the stickies and watch a few vids and you should easily get through your first grow. From there you can fine tune, but to just sit her and tell you how to grow, no, you gotta learn this if you really want high yields and quality bud, it's not something that can be learned by telling. Keep records of what you are doing and how th eplants react to changes made, nutes fed, etc.

Good luck bro.

 

[biochem1l]

If you do everything else right, then yes that would achieve a good amount of smoke.

But dude, it's obvious you haven't grown before. Dont over think everything, it's a plant, it will fight to survive. Stop trying to be a pro grower right out of the box, and just concentrate on the basics and getting your plant to stay in the healthy zone for as much of the grow as possible.

This 1 gram a watt crap needs to be taken out of your brain. You want your plants to survive and produce usable bud, that should be your goal for your first grow. Anything more is a pipe dream.

HTGSUPPLY is a good hookup for decent gear at a hard to beat price. You could snag a 150 hps for 70 bucks, or spend a little more and get a switchable 250 that can do the metal halide for your vegging and then switch to hps for flower, and those run about 170. T5's are great for vegging as well.

Read all the stickies and watch a few vids and you should easily get through your first grow. From there you can fine tune, but to just sit her and tell you how to grow, no, you gotta learn this if you really want high yields and quality bud, it's not something that can be learned by telling. Keep records of what you are doing and how th eplants react to changes made, nutes fed, etc.

Good luck bro.

I'm not trying to be a grow proer right out of the box. My goals and experience is arbitrary, what happens in holland stays in holland.

you are saying that 1 gram per watt is a pipe dream? Can I get you to verify that for the records?

have you seen the user named pipe dreams setup? he got a decent yeild off of a 150w hps, it inspired a lot of people. IT seems his space was bigger than 50watts per square meter though.


Why did you post this garbage in my thread?

 

[Coho]

3 x 3 x 6 tent, 400 watt mh/hps and the goodies for it. 4 nice plants.

 

[mr2shim]

1g per watt is basically a pipe dream. To date, I've seen probably 2 people hit that mark. .5g per watt is hardly realistic. A 400w in a 3x3x6 is a great place to start growing.

I'm sure it's possible with an extremely long veg and using just about every training technique under the sun. Plus an absolutely perfect grow with not one sign of under or over feeding.

I grow one plant at a time under a 400w in a waterfarm. Last grow I pulled 6.5oz dry from it.

 

[biochem1l]

If you've seen 2 people do it, than how is half that amount hardly realistic? That just doesn't make logical sense. I thought many people had done 1 gram per watt and were consistently doing 1 gram per watt.

Is anyone willing to argue the 4 plants in a 3x3 for a 400 watt hps? = Are these plants just regular like a SOG or what? that would produce a harvest every 2 weeks. What about more plants in there? Would that be beneficial? What about less plants? Would that be beneficial? Or is this ideal?

What sized containers would they be?

 

[hydrosoil78]

you can talk about 1 gram per watt but it should be also per month or per couple months (over time). With each light you have a certain amount of floor space and a certain amount of canopy space. If you have more plants then each one gets less light . my sun system 150 has a nice zone of light but the 400 watt can cover more canopy space . You really just have to do the best you can with the plant materials you wind up with. If you are starting out the 150 hps might be better but your planting medium and watering is important also.

 

[thatboyis1uvakind]

Step 1. Germinate seed....step 2. Place seed in growing medium in 24 to 72 hours a seedling should sprout..... it takes roughly 3 weeks for the plant to reach sexual maturity....this is when a flowering cycle can begin.....etc. etc.....who cares how many grams per watt u get....I don't even weigh my harvests ....I grow...I get plenty of smoke....I guess if I was about to run out I'd worry bout weight.....

 

[spandy]

I'm not trying to be a grow proer right out of the box. My goals and experience is arbitrary, what happens in holland stays in holland.

you are saying that 1 gram per watt is a pipe dream? Can I get you to verify that for the records?

have you seen the user named pipe dreams setup? he got a decent yeild off of a 150w hps, it inspired a lot of people. IT seems his space was bigger than 50watts per square meter though.


Why did you post this garbage in my thread?

I meant for YOU it was a pipe dream seeing as all you know about it is what you read on some internet page.

But since you got it all figured and you don't want to listen and only want to argue with those who are giving you advice, why are you even asking questions?

Good luck with your grow.

 

[biochem1l]

When speaking of a gram per watt, the time period is over the course from beginning of flowering to end of harvest.. So 1 person grows 1 big plant in a scrog, but another can be doing sog and getting a small plant out every couple weeks but it will take a couple weeks for all 4 small plants to finish by the time they all add up you can maybe have harvested a single decent sized plant

what are some thoughts on the most viable venture?

 

[biochem1l]

people who argue must be dumb eh?

 

[thatboyis1uvakind]

One big plant is cool cause big plants are just cool...w a sog u can have multiple strains which I like cause I get burnt out smoking the same weed all the time.....you'll harvest more at one time w a scrog...but have a steady flow of smoke w sog.....so both have pros and cons......my biggest con w a scrog is the plants stuck in that screen....or net...I don't like nit being able to pull my plant out of the set up if I need to for trimming n what not....

 

[mr2shim]

Is it even possible for you to grow or are you another 18 year old looking to do something you don't have the ability to, ask millions of questions then argue your idiotic logic against people who have done it time and time again? My guess is the latter.

 

[biochem1l]

well, its possible. both my parents have become afflicted with terminal cancer

Is it possible for you to grow?

I've been around grows A LOT! But I think there is room for improvement, hence I come to you experts who have been doing it for eons and eons and eons and eons and eons.....

Was curious to see if there have been any radical new developments in techniques, as I am trying to save myself from reading through thousands upon thousands of posts from various threads. If I could get a summary on any thing new, I'd appreciate it.

my dad runs with 2 600 watt lights, and does 8 large coco pots and then we have 2 separate areas with one 400w hps in them. And then we have a corrugated piece of plastic outside for the summer months the pots sit on this, its a drip setup, the drip runs down the corrugated plastic down into a gutter that distributes via gravity the nutrients back into the reservoir

I'm wanting to get experimental with various techniques utilizing the 150w hps and LST / scrogging as I feel these are the most beneficial techniques as opposed to fiming and supercropping,. My goal is to collect data before implementing the changes in the larger setups, If I can carefully document the parameters and variables of my experiment I should hopefully be able to recreate the conditions in the larger grows.

I definitely see how adding in too many plants will make each one get less light versus bushing out 1 plant to grow into a scrog/LST from day 1 and working on focusing the light on the nodes, instead of just hitting the canopy in sog style and getting diminishing returns and more and more popcorn buds the further down the stalk you go. With scrog, the bug grows horizontally and all of the nodes are exposed (ideally) to unobstructed light

 

[biochem1l]

I meant for YOU it was a pipe dream seeing as all you know about it is what you read on some internet page.

But since you got it all figured and you don't want to listen and only want to argue with those who are giving you advice, why are you even asking questions?

Good luck with your grow.

Your making the grandiose assumption that you know what I know, or through which medium I acquired my knowledge and experience. And people are backing you. Fucking Nazis

 

[althor]

Only way to get the 1 gram per watt is through a lot of training. There are pros and cons to any way you decide to go.
In a small area (3x3) you are going to be hardpressed to get 400 grams but it is possible if you scrog with some lst and supercropping.
The most I have harvested (dried/cured) from a 3x3 400 watt was a little over 8 ounces. I dont scrog/lst/or supercrop.
I veg for 2 weeks, top, veg for 2 more weeks then flip to 12/12 to finish them.

 

[cobra28widow]

wow you guys all need to smoke some weed and relax a little. This guy barely said anything and a few ppl are jumping down his throat.. Just buy a 250w or 400w hps and grow some weed lol... If I were you I would buy a 600 hps or atleast 400 for a 3x3 area..and buy some real seeds... I personally like white widow from dutch passion since its easy for me to grow and clone...

 

[herbbilly]

Go 400 anything less is usually a disapointment and its a good foundation for your growing needs. As for a g a watt good luck. Got my first harvest almost 20 years ago now avg +.5 with min. veg time. I might try next round for a lb and veg. Look at lst helps with lower watts.

 

[Guzias1]

I'm not trying to be a grow proer right out of the box. My goals and experience is arbitrary, what happens in holland stays in holland.

you are saying that 1 gram per watt is a pipe dream? Can I get you to verify that for the records?

have you seen the user named pipe dreams setup? he got a decent yeild off of a 150w hps, it inspired a lot of people. IT seems his space was bigger than 50watts per square meter though.


Why did you post this garbage in my thread?

the dude was trying to help.. You along with me, along with many other growers have many questions, and the basic ones were already answered by spandy.. dont over think.



"what would be the idealized setup for a small area 400 watt light?


what about a 150 watt light

is it true that you want 50 watts per square foot? that would mean around 1.5foot by 1.5 foot for the 150watt light, thinking of scrogging a plant and flowering under the 150 watt light. Would this be the best way to achieve a high quantity of high quality smoke? Want to dial in big paramters that would lead to getting 1 gram per watt. "


it seems like your objectives are mixed, if this is going to be your only grow EVER, sure, i hope you get 2+ grams per watt good for you! smoke it while its nice and fresh, straight off the plant..

OR, focus on growing a proper plant, with your limited space.. figure out how to harvest a healthy plant, then you'll figure out how much space and light you need for some yields..

take what you can out of advice, you dont need to follow anyone to a T. but use our input.. appreciative responses will get you further than snoby remarks, good luck to your lifestyle..