ONLY GOT A HALF OZ OF EARWAX OUT OF A HALF LB.? please help

[yeti5508]

also how hot can i purge the wax before i start to burn thc?

and can anyone second it being that im not building enough pressure through my glass tube?!?

like i said im gonna pack the shit out of it and get some more coffee filters and hoseclamps on there and try it again

 

[Guzias1]

its hard to get a good judgement on your pressure.. Pressure isnt your biggest concern though, i mdean, the tane is supposed to have enough pressure to flow through the tube, its not like extreme pressure, helps... Depending on my mood, my tube hold 1.5 -3 oz.. depending on how hard i pack..

the harder i pack, the more butane needed...

you want snug fittings as well, where the can touches the tube, and where you will soon put your hose clamp..

i did a pull tonight, 4-5 oz in. (2 tubes) 18g out.. :]]

i call that an excellent pull in my book..

i also blew the tube straight onto parchment paper, it was lovely.. and clean :]

with the good stuff, i like to accumulate all my first runs into one batch.. and i'll do that rerun later.. but reruns are worth it. unless this is your everyday job, where you have to pull lbs a day.. Rerun your stuff..


i bought those pink things some time ago, because i wanted to make wax pucks with them,.. i did, and i wasnt too thrilled. they are soo tiny, and bho likes to expand wayyy tooo much in vac chamber.

butttttt, i saw a dude using a meatloaf sized bakeware rubber dish thingy.. i thought maybe i could use my little pink shits.. well, never gave thought to the extreme temperature differences...

its a little painful, but its also fun to watch the part where the pink thing inverts all quick like, and you see the yellow flood the dish, and then alll the bubbles quickly evap.

fun

 

[Guzias1]

you talking about vacuum purge correct?

what ever you are doing, dont exceed 150... that doesnt mean test 150 out right away.. 150 is max! test 90 -150 degrees on your product, with what ever method you are using, and see what happens..

 

[ginjawarrior]

here is the worst way i have ever sprayed in my life :]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqGS50k6z0&feature=youtube_gdata

your using butane indoors?

if thats how your doing it every time thats MUCH worse than your cupcake experiment

 

[Fadedawg]

THC burns somewhere above its boiling point of 200C/392F but you can change it to CBN at lower temperatures. We like a 115F purge under -29.9" Hg vacuum, or 140F at atmospheric pressure. We use 250F, if we also are decarboxylating.

You don't have to build much pressure for your glass tube to work, only for the butane to soak through and drip into the collection container while still liquid.

 

[yeti5508]

The trim I used was all sugar leaf and tasted great if smoked by itself.

There is still crystals on the trim I ran already. So im gonna run again


before I ran a lb of sugar leaf and a got about a qp out of a PVC pipe and end caps. Wtf is going on?!"

If pressure isn't the issues what do you think I should do?

 

[biglungs]

it has nothing to do with pressure i use a glass tube with a silk screen thats it maybe a coffee filter if the trim looks like its been manhandled and broken a bit i usually get 8-12% return off of trim. the cost of it is low so that amount is fine for me

 

[Fadedawg]

Have you examined the material with a microscope after extraction to determine how many trichome heads remain?

What size tube are you using and how much butane?

 

[Guzias1]

your using butane indoors?

if thats how your doing it every time thats MUCH worse than your cupcake experiment

yes, i dont not recommend butane indoors, I first started off blowing outside...

ALSO, i first started blowing outside with a metal tube, with my friends around smoking.. etc, bad things all around..
I did a lot of first things i will not do again..

I started pulling inside though, due to security purposes. I dont pull more than 3/4 of a lb at once.. no more than a case of 12 cans..

It is not my favorite way. but it is my most efficient. Nobody knows im growing/ extracting, and i like it that way..

I always try to take the most in preventive steps of a future dangerous failure.

I turn all fire sources off in my room, i have an oscillating fan always moving my air around, especially by the butane, i dont want any pockets of butane gas hanging around obviously.. I blow right onto a heat pad, so my tane evaps as soon as possible.

I have lots of ventilation..
Like i says though, i do not prefer this way, but im living with it..

Pretty soon here, im going to have a muchhhhhh bigger tube.. And the people who need this tubes capabilities will let me blow on there property, deep in the woods, yey!

BTW, i always clean the shit out of my room before blowing, and i have every single thing organized, and ready to grab. If i skip this step, i feel i am blowing in a dangerous environment .. Clean organization, makes for a quick, safe extract :]

a really nice plus about inside, is the lack of debris flying in the air = really clean product , also, its like 40 deg over here outside

 

[Guzias1]

Have you examined the material with a microscope after extraction to determine how many trichome heads remain?

What size tube are you using and how much butane?

i have!!! i do it allllll the time. the congestion of trichs is sooooooo sexy :]

 

[Guzias1]

! im stoked about this, started last night, slowly got it to wax over night !! yaaa

the idea: (this is how i did it with Green Crack trim, and came out with about 18grams of extract)

16inch Long tube, 1.5in ID
4-5 oz of quality trim in (SMOKEABLE)
4 cans o butane
2 evenly packed tubes
sprayed straight onto parchment, lining my dish (saves sooooo much time and mess! and product!!!) -recently discovered this.. (last night)




evapped on heat pad til most liquid was gone, then evapped in my veg area where the temps are in upper 70s
(finally smoked)
once at room temp, and stable, i was able to put my parchment straight into the vacuum chamber! (i made one out of a huge cookie jar, this jar is made just for this expansion process)
Purged full vac till i got my foamy stable puff ball.






transferred product to a smaller final jar,
from here on out I:
Melt down product from foamy ball to oil at 10-15 HG, and @ 140 deg (heat is in hot water bath always).
once it reaches liquid form, i turn off heat completely, then-
i vac and de vac the product over and over till no more expansion happens..
at this point, the product looks like amber glass, this is the stage i want it to be at before wax..

while at this stage, i purged at 26 HG for 4 hours @110 degrees..
after that, i bumped up the temp to 130, and purged at full vac (29 HG) for the remainder of the time, 4 more hours or so.

and i woke up to this waxy Green Crack

Picture shows 14.9 g, but i shaved off a few g for a try

 

[vacpurge]

damn man. that looks very nice. I am having a hell of a time getting a seller online to ship me a nice SS desiccator

how do you keep it at an exact 130F for 4 hours straight?

how long does that normally last you?? 3g off as a try damn, thats a lot!!! 1 gram gets me about 10 blasts... lasts a day or two.

very nice looking stuff. I am going to look locally if I can find a electric vacuum pump over 5cfm at princess auto. the desiccator I am planning on buying is 3 gallons so its going to require quite the pump. I am thinking its a little too big for the batches I make.. 30-100g of weed... 5-20g of oil at at time I imagine.

so you used over a qp? more like 150 grams?? and you got 18 grams return? thats like 12% return... seems kinda low, but that does look like quality over quantity stuff thats for sure.

 

[vacpurge]

now what happens if that puck is exposed to heat for a day or so... so around 30 or 40C, maybe a hot summer day? would it turn back into a sticky oil? or does it stay solid, even when heated with a lighter/right before smoking?

 

[Guzias1]

ya bro, if you aint dabbing at least a g at a time, you a pussy..



JKK

this batch was made for a friend, my tester 3g is my little stash i took off this nice chunk, itll last me a good while. lolll, who the fuck on this planet can do a 3 g tester dab,, like all straight to the dome.. amazing to think about though

to control my water temps:

i use an electric griddle, (heat is adjustable from 80-400 deg Fahrenheit) its not too accurate with the heat, so on it, i add a baking dish full of water. EXAMPLE: i set the griddle to about 160 deg F, and my water in the baking dish stays at about 110.

i then put my vacuum chamber (mason jar) into hot bath water in the baking dish, on the griddle

the water temps will stay within 3 degrees of the temperature i set it at, if done corrrectly.. its a bit time consuming, and hard, but, ya, its work..

and edit on my weight, i was given a half lb total, i practice with 2 tubes, (4 oz in that run) got the gooey stuff you see in the bottom right of my concentrates picture.

SO on the wax run, i probably used right around 4 oz ( 2 tubes again)

112 g in
18g out
1 run, no rerun
about %16

with my method, and the end product i get, im stoked with that percentage!

am i right? at that ratio, its about 2.5 oz a lb?

thats epic,

over here, a lb of this ranges 3-5 bills..

over here, an oz of nice wax can go for 6 bills
2.5 x 6 = 1500

i dont sell, but dayum! that seems nice

btw, i dont pay for my trim :] i trade work..

and that is an excellent question you have about the puck, you are fine, the only way this thing will melt down is if i put it over 60C, its wayyyy stable, its like a rock..

itll just flat out melt onto a bowl with a lighter..

 

[vacpurge]

ahh. so it does melt back down into an oil. interesting.

if youre getting 18 grams out of a qp... I would say you could pull around 70-75g from a full lb which isnt even 3oz. so yeah youre right. thats a lot of oil!! and about 200$ in butane lol

so if the water is 110F, and you put your desiccator in, what temp is the desiccator and oil? surely not the exact same temp as the water? how long do you leave it in the water? and vacuum to 30" while its in near boiling water??

interesting numbers on your prices.. around here, a lb of the very nice trim I get off buds... no fan leaves and stuff. goes for 800 an lb and I got a decent connection I guess. its smokeable. a g of honey oil is 50. sometimes 40.. or 10g for 350. which means an oz is like 1000$ up here!!! everything is more expensive in canada though... but our wages are a lot higher too.

I notice the 18g of oil I got sitting at only around 21c (room temp) is kinda soft and liquidy. I gotta fold it in half every few day or else it sssllllooowwwwllllyyyyy wants to run off the parchment paper. takes about 5 days though.

how big of dabs do you normally take?

 

[Guzias1]

wowww, well, im not really an active buyer, my prices could be off, but dayum! i like your prices! shit is gollddddd

i know the clubs sell g for over 30 bucks around here..

i know this price though! i pay 240 flat for 96 cans o butane (8 cases)


and 1 run on a lb take about 16 cans = about $40 of tane, 70-75 g out first run, and i bet about 10-20 out of another run if wanted to.. so, potentially $80 of tane, 1lb of trim, 90-100 g out..

if i could get a qp out of a lb, thats some efficiency, %25 dangg, dreamy

its primo



my vac mason jar floats in hot water, so lets say the water is at 120 deg, my material inside is usually around 10 deg cooler..

its in the water for a LONG TIME, hours and hours +

wher is your pump? 5cfm sounds champ

you need a vacuum my friend, oil sitting out and slowly get thicker, even after a month or so, you still see sparks come off the product, mehhhhhh

i rarelyyyy dont take dabs, but when i do, realistically i take .05 to .1 dabs pp

sometimes when im really on one, ill do a .2+ dab.


i normally smoke a lot of wax on top of a bowl, like half a g or so coating a fine flowered bowl,. tastes soooooo good, and very very heavy hits..

aint no dab though..

what about you? what kind of weight do you dab?

 

[vacpurge]

I really dont like smoking the oil on a bowl full of weed. I find the oil doesnt burn properly and it ends up wasting a lot.. I usually can get around 20-30 hoots from a 1g vial that I weigh out. I smoke a big bowl of weed and leave the nice clean white ash in there. then drop the oil on top of that and smoke it up... works awesome. smoking only oil.. no weed smoke in there ruining it. can use that same ash for weeks.

I do need a vacuum... and a better source of butane. I pay 6$ a can and a dozen is no deal.. a dozen is like 72$ of colibri/london butane. priceyy!! I cant believe you get it so cheap. i wish.

I would be surprised if you could get a 25% return.. thats damn good. I am near the 20% range.

 

[Guzias1]

i do believe its probably one of the worst ways to efficiently get the most out of expensive essential oils, BUT, i enjoy the flavor.. I prefer high grade weed, i dont grind up my tree, but i nicely break it up with fingers, evenly pack bowl not too full. Then i crumble the wax over the center, i then proceed to melt the wax down, not hitting or burning the wax, but melt it straight into the center of the bud bowl as best i can. once ive done that, i need to prepare the bowl by lighlt taking some hits out of it, to get the wax really into the bud..

from here on out, the bowl is ready to smoke for the rest of the day.. Like i says, i love the taste of good weed amplified by the taste of the wax.. smoking this way really gets my a nice long heavy high.. taking a dab crushes me, and gets me super stoned, but for a bit shorter time.. both ways give me such an amazing high.. i figure some day i'll get an oil rig, but, i just really enjoy the bowls so much, i cant give them up... OOOOO another reason i love hash bowls, they are wayyyyy easier to party with over a dab rig/torch high ass friends.... but i respect people with them.. its like cocain to me, i'll use when its around

wait.. so you smoke a bowl of weed, leave all the ash in there, then coat with oil?? that works out eh? so your saying i should try the ash of the weed, rather than the weed? lol.. hmm, maybe i'll try that out..

i'd be surprised as well with a %25 return. hell. im happy with %16 right now :]

 

[vacpurge]

yes. im surprised not many more people do that.

smoke a big bowl of weed, or whatever you gotta do to fill your bowl with ash... lots. at least a joints worth of ash .5-1g of bud worth of ash. the ash from a bowl of kief/crystal is the best!!! cigarette ash sucks and doesnt last long.

if there isnt enough ash.. the oil drips through and wastes it, or all the ash sucks through the bowl.

dont really coat it, just put 1 tiny droplet into the center... and light it up! either flash it once with the flame and it lights it self with the cherry of the oil. or keep it torched either with the lighter or the hemp wick and it burns faster resulting in a short, but very thick hoot. doesnt look/feel like much until you exhale... and then its just like "oh fuck why did I make that hoot so big"...

 

[vacpurge]

some close ups... im fuckin bored lol: also, just now notice that imageshack has been resizing my pics which fucks them up... my pics are now going to be better and not resized/made smaller!