Cali vs Spain vs Amsterdam- who has the best current strains?
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Just a repost seein how this thread got a lil off topic lol
smellzlikeskunkyum
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even still spain is doing a better job with the AMERICAN strains. dinachem and ogk from dinafem for example.
im gonna start a thread on the wierd coincidence that that new boss hogg is an awful lot like dinachem, and swerve is dinachem bashing away...
Not true about American breeders at all. Apparently you don't know any breeders in Oregon, Colorado, or even Indiana. And I am sure you don't know the breeders I know in the far Eastern part of Tennessee and and Western North Carolina. They have put out stabilized fire in the those parts that will never see a mass market like Attitude or Cannazon because they are too humble to put their names out there.
It could be that all you know about American breeders is from what you read online or in a magazine about "the next big thing" coming out of California. I stopped posting here to settle personal issues with myself, but reading your comment made me temporarily break that commitment.
Unless you are well-traveled and know a lot of small time, but excellent breeders in the U.S., please don't lump most of them in the same category as the pollen chuckers you read about in High Times that pay their way to the top of the Cannabis Cup every year. A cup which is a joke in and of itself.
Spanish breeders are great, but they only refine great strains that come from the U.S. and other various countries. Heck, I read a lady's comment on this site a long time ago- her user name is lahadaextranjera and she said: "I'm in Spain and we know all about Critical as IT'S OURS".
I thought that was pretty arrogant considering that if it wasn't for Shantibaba, Spain wouldn't even have Critical+.
There is a difference between refining strains and CREATING great strains. The former is lazy, as all the hard work of searching and finding landraces, mixing them and picking out phenos has been done.
And just for the record, you say they make legends, but my experience smoking strains from Spain - Dinafem and Eva Seeds especially- is that the end product, while vigorous and more stable than the parents, is also a lot weaker in potency than the original clone they acquired from the original great breeders. But I give Eva Seeds credit, as they have original strains.
God bless
my comment was from a gerealized stand point which is the best you can do without throwing out exept except except... i know growers esp from the oregon area they have great and stable genetics but as a whole i still stand by my statement and even in your post u stake the same claim... im not sayin they are not out there in the states im saying for the most part so i should have stated my opinion a little better and i apologize to any TRUE breeders i may have offended but looking at the states as a whole i stil believe what i said to be true
oregon has surpassed cali in the stabization of new genetics IMO... but breeders from Ohio Indiana Mich just to name a few are taking cannabis way more serious now a days... i have mad love for the NorCal cats that paved the way but seems like the new gereration have inherited the pollen chuck mentality
Jogro
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Quick answer is that right now Spain is the "center of gravity" of the breeding world.
Its because of the legal situation there, where basically anyone can grow whatever they want on their own property and as long as its not being sold, its tolerated. In addition to the legal climate, the ACTUAL climate is also pretty conducive to growing too, and the poor economy makes it relatively easy to start up.
Holland used to be the place where the breeders would go for legal reasons, but right now most of the breeders have migrated to Spain, including a number of American and European breeders. In fact most of the ceeds being sold commercially are grown in Spain, and its not a coincidence that the largest facilities (like Dinafem, etc) are there.
As to the sources of the actual GENETICS. . .most of the "name" lines being worked started off in the USA.
Its because of the legal situation there, where basically anyone can grow whatever they want on their own property and as long as its not being sold, its tolerated. In addition to the legal climate, the ACTUAL climate is also pretty conducive to growing too, and the poor economy makes it relatively easy to start up.
Holland used to be the place where the breeders would go for legal reasons, but right now most of the breeders have migrated to Spain, including a number of American and European breeders. In fact most of the ceeds being sold commercially are grown in Spain, and its not a coincidence that the largest facilities (like Dinafem, etc) are there.
As to the sources of the actual GENETICS. . .most of the "name" lines being worked started off in the USA.
I actually like Dinafem, but I consider them a "solid" seed company, with "solid" strains. If you are looking for straight out fire, dank, Dinafem isnt necessarily the place to go.
You guys have left out a major contributor here
Canada
Canada used to import all of its MJ from say Jamaica or Columbia back in the 70s-80s and even from Mexico (schwagg). The risk far out weighed the rewards so Canadians started growing there own, now you NEVER hear of any imported stuff. Why? Because Canada has the best MJ around and IMHO created most of those strains with seeds they brought back from all the great landrace strains (Jamaica, Columbia, Southeast Asia). Where do you guys think most of the premo came from in US before Cali got known for great genetics and now that Washington and Colorado are legal its still going down there more then it gets distributed across Canada itself.
Canada
Canada used to import all of its MJ from say Jamaica or Columbia back in the 70s-80s and even from Mexico (schwagg). The risk far out weighed the rewards so Canadians started growing there own, now you NEVER hear of any imported stuff. Why? Because Canada has the best MJ around and IMHO created most of those strains with seeds they brought back from all the great landrace strains (Jamaica, Columbia, Southeast Asia). Where do you guys think most of the premo came from in US before Cali got known for great genetics and now that Washington and Colorado are legal its still going down there more then it gets distributed across Canada itself.
homebrewer
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Are you saying Canada was the only country to import and eventually grow herb?
jessica d
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homebrewer
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Yes, I'm familiar with beasters.
Uncle Pirate
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I'll bet anything the market for imported weed was way bigger in the US than Canada during the 70's and 80's.
Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Virginia, North Carolina, etc. were all major contributers then and still.