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spzd

Member
Hey Al or anyone who knows the answer

A question about nute strength. From your Al B FAQt

Nutrient strength is measured by electrical conductivity (EC) of the soln, usually specified in ppm. I run my flowering tanks at 1400, my mums get 1600-1800.
And from this thread you say

1100-1200 is fine, if a bit toward the strong end of the spectrum. Flushing is optional. I don't bother, all my tanks run the same mix, 1000-1100ppm @ 5.8. The best strains for SoG are predominantly indica hybrids- and there's lots of those around.
So what is the best nute strength?? I have read all the way through your 3 threads and have put together and tested a room. Everything is working beautifully. Before I crack these beans I want to be sure of this nute strength.
 

tyler.durden

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Hey Al or anyone who knows the answer

A question about nute strength. From your Al B FAQt



So what is the best nute strength?? I have read all the way through your 3 threads and have put together and tested a room. Everything is working beautifully. Before I crack these beans I want to be sure of this nute strength.
Al used to run his nutes hotter at about 1400, he scaled it back to 1000-1100 as I'm guessing the 1400pm was a little too hot. I run mine at 1000 (not counting the 170ppm tap water I start with). Al uses Canna nutes, I run Dutchmaster Gold line, both are two part nutes. I used to run GH 3 part, but almost always saw some deficiency. I'd say start out safe with 800-900ppm to see how your girls like it, then tweak up a little if needed. Underfed is easy to fix, overfed sucks. Of course, if you're starting from seed, wait until you have 3 sets of leaves before you add nutes, seedlings are easy to burn and kill. Good luck...
 

spzd

Member
Thanks td. I am going to use Canna as there is a distributor close by. I am going to attempt to duplicate Al's system as closely as I can, albeit on a smaller scale. Also thanks for the reminder when starting from seed. Cheers...
 

joe macclennan

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Hey Al, a few questions regarding sulfur burners. Sealed CO2 enriched Flower room 240 sq.ft. Six 18 inch wall mount fans and two 12 inch floor fans all oscillating on low speed most of the time. RH runs 40-60%. Two propane ventless wall heaters. My first question. Do I have to turn my wall heaters off when running sulfur burner?.Wouldnt vaporized sulfur be explosive? Especially when in contact with an open flame. Second question. How long and how frequent should I run sulfur burner.I do not have a tremendous problem with PM there is some here and there on top of the hydroton. I have a problem with mold growing on the ceiling I am in a building with a steel roof that is not vented properly and condensation builds up in the ceiling in cold weather. I hope to be in a different location next winter so just have to get thru till then. I am hoping the burner will help keep the mold down. Thanks for any advice, Joe
 

NewguyNL

Member
Hi Al, Have you ever thought about semi-automatic clones watering system? I have an idea of making it, but would like to ask you - what do you think about it? I'm thinking to put a absorbent mat under the clones and put under this mat few laces. Other end of laces will be submerged in reseroir. I am worried only about over watering of the cubes? have you tried it out? Regards
 

C. Duke

Member
Come back Al B Fuct!

You can't go on telling a good story for years, while putting up with and replying to continuous repeated questions from people who have not bothered to read the thread, and then stop posting without telling us the ending! Specifically how the 'Sure To Grow' is working for you.

I've read every post on all your threads.
I've sat threw all the talk about using Unobtanium (flytocel).
You've got me convinced about H202 instead of organic (not a small task).
You've convinced me to drop the bucket idea for F&D tables only.
You've probably saved me a bunch of money on Floro tubes.
You've probably saved me a bunch of headaches in regards to a bunch of stuff. (rising ph = pathogens, ph down, cloning, hps in mother room, size pots, 1000w better than multiple 600w, Canna nutes, etc.)

Questions:
1. Are you still using STG 1" cubes?
2. Have you tried the STG Loose Fill?
3. Have you tried their rooting clone blocks instead of Rockwool?
4. STG watering schedule for above products? 2x day flower, ??? for clones?
5. Does STG flow well threw your chipper? :grin:

I'll assume that STG requires more watering of clones (if using their clone cubes) due to the bigger air pockets, and that it is not a wicking medium that holds water like Rockwool.

And I also want to thank you for forcing me to get acquainted with the metric system! After about 50 years, it's about time someone provided me with enough reason to do that beside Suzuki Motorcycles!

P.S. And THANKS for all the years you have put into writing this all down so others may learn!
 
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C. Duke

Member
I guess Al B. Gone.

Anyway, I finally got 6 plants going. [Ca Legal grow with MMJ card].

I was going to replicate Al's setup, and had it all built & was about to go and get a selection of clones from some dispensaries when all hell broke loose. I have a crazy neighbor lady who must think I'm stealing her gas [LP] and called the gas co out to inspect my garage. I'm a plumber of 30 years experience and qualified to build nuclear power plants, and told the gas co idiot to go F-OFF and that there was no leak. "Come back tomorrow if you must look at it, but you get no admittance without 24 hour notice unless there is a REAL emergency." The little douche threatened to call the police, etc. He wound up F-ing off as I requested, and I wound up tearing down the setup before the cops came the next day. No cops ever showed up, and the gas co A-Hole never came back. I figure I destroyed about 100 hours of work setting up the op. Real pissed off at this point.

I let everything calm down and went about my business as usual. Then a neighbor gave my GF a plant he was growing in his back yard, and it all started again. This time, I only set up one 3x3 table. Won't be a perpetual AL B. grow so long as I'm living here, but I will be using everything I learned from Al to do the small op. That's why I'm posting it here instead of starting my own thread. Thanks AL, wherever you are!

I'm using expanded clay because I have 6 bags of it laying around. I want to try the STG cubes and or loose fill when it all runs out. I won't be shaking the plants to get as much clay balls back to be reused as I can. If it's stuck to the roots, it goes in the trash. I hope this will reduce the amount of cleaning I need to do to reuse some of the clay.

I took 9 clones off of the donated plant [strain unknown] with nice thick stems, and propagated them in a makeshift clone box I set up using some of the torn down panda film from the original op setup and a floro light. I followed Al's advice to the letter, and they began popping on day 7, and all but one popped by day 10. I cut them at 8" tall, and trimmed off all the lower stuff. I used rooting powder, and Growdan 1.5" rockwool cubes. None of the local shops had the ones Al uses that come with the wrapping. I think the ones I got are for seeds? Anyway, they take a little more watering than the others. Instead of just touching the corner to the water for a second, I had to touch the whole bottom for a second to last the whole 12 hours between watering. I used just plain water for the first 8 days, then added a weak mixture of CANNA Aqua [veg] nuts because they were turning yellow a little, and I figured it couldn't hurt since the roots had popped already.

My Mistake #1.
I didn't have a PH tester when doing the clones. They wound up for two weeks being watered with alkaline solution so high, that it was above the color chart on the test strips I eventually got from Home Dp. I have a real PH tester ordered and on the way now.

My Mistake #2.
After potting the plants, and filling the rez, I adjusted down the PH without checking first, and after putting in the CANNA Flora nutes. I forgot that the Canna nutes had stabilizers in them, and would bring down the PH by themselves a little. I used 1/4 cup of GH PH Down solution in 25-30 gallons of water with a PPM of 1100-1200. My water is 500 PPM out of the tap, so 11-1200 is a low #. Should be 1500 PPM. The PH soured down to below where the stupid little bottles color chart goes. It starts at 6.1, and I'm going for 5.8. TIP: You can go on line to find a better test strip PH chart than the one that comes on the little bottles. I figure I'm somewhere around 5.5 with what I wound up with. No big deal.

I also dumped about one gallon of the Aqua enriched water I was using with the clones into the rez. It brought up the PPM to where it floats between 1100 & 1200 PPM on my Bluelab Truncheon. Waste not, want not.

My Mistake #3.
I spent some time hooking up the overflow and drains for my 3x3 table under 400w HPS. I had the overflow set exactly at 1/2" below the Rockwool cubes in the 1 gal pots filled with expanded clay. Oooops! When I put the overflow tube back in the last time after cutting off another 1/4", I must not of stuck it in the bulkhead fitting far enough. The RW cubes got wet for 48 hours. Last night I corrected the overflow problem and broke out the tape measure and a unused cube. I also dug down to see how the roots were doing in one pot, and they are going crazy! Yippieeee!!!

The potted clones are STOUT! Leaves are sticking straight out to the sides, no wilting, roots taking off like a rocket. In the next couple days I'm anticipating seeing some good growth out of them.

This is where I should be adding some laughing gif's, but it cost me $10 USD so it ain't that funny. I took my GF to the local dispensary the other day, and had her pick up their "best" clone. Hahaha, sooo sad looking. I've seen happier sprigs of parsley next to my burger at Denny's. It's in one of the cubes Al uses, and it was SOAKING wet! The stem is as small as a # 14 wire, and the roots are so small that they are almost invisible. Only way I could even see them is because they propagated it on a flat surface, and they were all matted down up on the bottom of the dripping wet cube. It may survive, or it may be added to the compost bin? After 48 hours, at least it don't look any worse than when we got it.

This is my first Hydro grow. Thanks to Al's no nonsense threads, I can at least figure out when I screwed up before it causes damage to the plants. At least I have so far. It's really pretty simple this way. Follow the rules as listed by Al, and bad shart shouldn't happen. I will have to deal with heat issues since I'm only using my mother light 400w, and not my cook tube 100's due to the decreased space. I picked up a nice little portable AC unit, and redesigned it to act as a dual tube unit, but I never got the 240 run down to the grow area so I can use it. The crazy paranoid hunt neighbor lady makes that task impossible. It would involve construction noises like drilling joists, etc, to run the #10 wire, and I can't risk that after what's already happened, even though it's 100% legal now. I'll have to work around it with improved ventilation.

I'm running a 4" fan in the 3x4x9 area. I also have a couple 100mm pie fan [computer fans] running 24/7 to keep a negative pressure in the small space. The pie fans are connected to the duct with a y before going into the 10" carbon filter. At the top, I have two dryer vent dampener [draft blockers] set up so that when the thermostat starts the 4" fan, the pie fan one closes. When only the pie fan is on, the 4" fan dampener closes, and all the air is sent threw the over sized carbon filter. The 4" fan is wrapped up in an old sleeping bag, and insulation to quiet it down, and it runs threw a fan speed controller at about 1/2 power so the woosh sound is not so loud. The filter is enclosed in a 3x3x9 plastic air dumping enclosure I made out of panda film plastic. This then goes into a false wall I made that carries the used hot air up to the front of the space where it can leave the garage. I turned my work bench in the front of the garage [where people can see when door is open] into a air intake duct. I blocked up the front of the bottom bench with cardboard boxes. I just the face of the boxes stapled together so they still look like regular boxes being stored under the bench. The bench is right next to the door, and should get enough fresh air from down low. I hope. It's not ideal, but it's all I got. The front of the garage will mix some intake with exhaust, but I can't help that without causing obvious problems.

I'll update from time to time.
 

C. Duke

Member
^^^^ Edit

Not "cook tube 100's" I meant to write "Cool Tube 1000's. The 1000w cool tubes I can't use because I don't have enough power to run even one in the garage with the other stuff going on the 15 amp breaker.
 

2Hearts

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Al B Fuct is still alive...wow!

If i may ask of your hounorablness a question and beg of your pardon for its triviality or if it is in one of your previous posts and i missed it.

I tried to order up H2O2 from hydro store and due to some new terroist law or somthing it wasnt available. I seen in my local pharmacy they had 6% H202 but with two added ingredients - some type of Potassium which i fathomed was for ph buffering and Phenacetin which seemed to act as a stabalizer/preservative.

This was through a lot of reading and being a noob what do i know, but most threads seemed to condone the use of this carcinogenic chemical that kills rats in large doses . Until i hit on one thread where some science dude was saying its safe and only miniscule amounts are actually used and totally plant safe.

This was like one thread saying yes and a thousond saying no but being the internet im inclined to believe that one guy with dubious credentials over the everyone else.

I will source some decent marijuana grade H202 but it did make me scratch my head once or twice over wether this stuff is kosher or a indiscriminate plant killer.

As always your imparted wisdom shall lead to my heart felt thanks, potential gains and finally world domination (which i think is a fair trade). :-)
 

C. Duke

Member
"Al B Fuct is still alive...wow!"

The last post I could find by Al, was back on Dec 7, 2012. I hope he's still alive and kicking!

You can get good [not the Chinese crap] H202 at 35% food grade here in the US. Can't get 50%. I don't know about the UK. I wound up with a couple gallons of some stuff from my local hydro store [Mad Farmer Oxygenator http://www.madfarmerproducts.com/2015_site/product-labels/oxygenator-label.jpg ] that claims to be 35%, and comes with no mixing instructions. When that's gone, I'll order the real stuff without the fancy label and just pay for shipping.
 

potroastV2

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Thank you C. Duke for answering 2hearts question. Welcome to Rollitup, you'll fit in well around here. You should use your previous post as a first post in your Grow Journal, and then you can add updates to it.

Yes, unfortunately our good friend Al B. Fuct has not been active here recently. He is one of our most prolific teachers, and his content here is invaluable. I talk to him occasionally, he is busy teaching the hyenas how to laugh.

:mrgreen:
 

C. Duke

Member
Yes, unfortunately our good friend Al B. Fuct has not been active here recently. He is one of our most prolific teachers, and his content here is invaluable. I talk to him occasionally, he is busy teaching the hyenas how to laugh.

:mrgreen:

Good to hear he's still alive, and I hope the "Hyenas" aren't prison guards! Haha.
Do you know if he's still using the 1" STG Hail cubes, or if he's tried using the STG loose fill?
 

2Hearts

Well-Known Member
Thank you C. Duke for answering 2hearts question. Welcome to Rollitup, you'll fit in well around here. You should use your previous post as a first post in your Grow Journal, and then you can add updates to it.

Yes, unfortunately our good friend Al B. Fuct has not been active here recently. He is one of our most prolific teachers, and his content here is invaluable. I talk to him occasionally, he is busy teaching the hyenas how to laugh.

:mrgreen:
My bad Potroast, i just was like wow Als back when i saw this thread open and after scrolling back two pages there he was making a post. I never checked the dates and now am wondering why this dude has posted on such an old thread.

Not to be a douche but he didnt answer my question as it was about 'Phenacetin' not just obtaining suitable Mary J grade H2O2 which i will obtain soon.

Its kind of a redundant question and Phenacetin is less used in the US thanks to FDA laws etc but popular here. Just wondering if my drug store H2O2 is safe as way cheaper and hey its like five steps away from my house.

But hey its cool ill try some against one without.

Thanks guys
 

C. Duke

Member
I never checked the dates and now am wondering why this dude has posted on such an old thread.
Cuz I would like to know how it went for Al with the STG products he just started using about the time he stopped posting, and it's as valid of a post today as the original thread about harvesting every two weeks.

I can't comment on "Phenacetin" as I have never even heard of the stuff. Personally, I'll just stick to what we all know works, H202, so long as it's available. I'm interested to hear what you come up with in a side by side comparison.
 

Alby Fuct

Member
"Al B Fuct is still alive...wow!"

The last post I could find by Al, was back on Dec 7, 2012. I hope he's still alive and kicking!

You can get good [not the Chinese crap] H202 at 35% food grade here in the US. Can't get 50%. I don't know about the UK. I wound up with a couple gallons of some stuff from my local hydro store [Mad Farmer Oxygenator http://www.madfarmerproducts.com/2015_site/product-labels/oxygenator-label.jpg ] that claims to be 35%, and comes with no mixing instructions. When that's gone, I'll order the real stuff without the fancy label and just pay for shipping.
Alive, kicking, but no longer growing. Dec 2012 was not the best month in my life, but not a big deal in the end..
 

LostInSpace...

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Mr Fuct inspired a generation of growers. His knowledge and experience, journaled and detailed for those hungry for good growing information.

His bullshit detector is among the worlds best, his wit sharper than your cloning scapel and his use of h2o2 will be told for eons to come.

Here's to Al B, thanks for your time mate. I would't know half of what I do without you putting in the effort you do.

Shame you're no longer growing, I really hope you didn't get busted.
 

Alby Fuct

Member
er... wow, thanks!

As a matter of fact, I did get busted. I had always made it a rule not to have anything to do with people who did drugs other then weed, but a person who was weed-total when we met got sucked into meth a few years later. Shit does awful things to you, not the least of which is utterly fucking your judgement. Clown got busted dealing meth and gave me up to save his own scrawny ass. In the end I got a 2 year good behaviour bond. No fine, no jail if no legal trouble for 2 years. Naturally, the op went to the tip & the cops got all my weed. Bond ended 5 years ago. But I still really would like a joint. #sigh
 

LostInSpace...

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Thats fucked up brother! What the fuck is with all the weak cunts around these days?!?!?! Rule #1 DONT FUCKING TALK TO POLICE!

Keep your head up mate, it'll be legal here soon enough. Then you can take on some coushy consoltant type role overseeing a warehouse size grow....or go back to bedroom op?
 
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