Lots of newbie questions, as promised! Also update on progress...

ekspain

Active Member
Hey!!!
So, for those of you who are helping me out here. y'all are awesome!
I've got a list of questions here, plus some photos of my current situation, which is considerably better than it was last week.
Question 1: How is the distance from light to plant, as seen in the photos? Should I start raising the light yet?
2: Changing containers. I'll be needing to change container within the next 1 or 2 weeks, right? I hear that autos
don't appreciate that much. Anyone have any solid techniques on switching pots without pissing of the plant or
damaging the roots?
3: When should I add extra lighting, to the sides, for example?
4: Curious about branch cutting. I understand that cutting the branches can allow for more yield. when and how
does one do this?

5: how long are the periods for autos? another words from the seedling to Veg phase, then Veg to Flowering.
I'm currently using root nutrients, to strengthen the roots, when should I switch to Veg nutes, and then flowering nutes.

6: Aprox. how much water should I be giving the plants at this point, as seen in photos? How much do you give a plant in
veg phase, and then when flowering?

7: And finally! I plan on letting these flower with 24- 7 light. But if these were normal, not auto-flowering,
the darkness period: would it be compromised by even, say, a sliver of light? I understand its total darkness, but lets
say light can come in through a tiny crack. Is the darkness compromised?

any other pertinent ideas appreciated!

Thanks a zillion friends!
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justanotherbozo

Well-Known Member
yeah man, i encourage new people to dig for answers themselves in an effort to empower them, not because it's a pain for me to help, i received a lot of help when i first came to this hobby myself so helping others is exactly why i come to these forums.

...it's just that i try to teach people HOW to fish for themselves rather than give them a daily fish, aka answer.

...keep in mind too that any one of us can be wrong, the best way to ensure that you get good advice is to find that advice directed at others in older threads, and when you are having a problem or are contemplating a change or an upgrade you should read as many older threads as you can find, that way you will read advice from MANY people over a long period of time and, because you are coming to the party late, you'll also be able to read about the results of that advice, ...then you will KNOW that what you decide to do is probably right.

...anyway, lol, some fish grasshopper.

Hey!!!
So, for those of you who are helping me out here. y'all are awesome!
I've got a list of questions here, plus some photos of my current situation, which is considerably better than it was last week.
Question 1: How is the distance from light to plant, as seen in the photos? Should I start raising the light yet?
your pics don't show the light so it's difficult to say whether or not you should raise them, ...a good rule of thumb is to put the back of your hand up to the bulbs, move it slowly and when it starts to feel uncomfortable, that's probably about as close as you'll want your plants to be, maybe just shy of that.


2: Changing containers. I'll be needing to change container within the next 1 or 2 weeks, right? I hear that autos
don't appreciate that much. Anyone have any solid techniques on switching pots without pissing of the plant or
damaging the roots?
...i've never run autos but from what i gather you are right that they don't like to be repotted. ...what are those they are in now, 1 gallon?


3: When should I add extra lighting, to the sides, for example?
right now they are still seedlings and so they don't need an assload of light but once they get a little bigger you'll want to add as much light as you can.


4: Curious about branch cutting. I understand that cutting the branches can allow for more yield. when and how
does one do this?
...i'd say don't do this with an auto, with a photoperiodic plant you can use judicious pruning to stimulate new and vigorous growth but with an auto all you'll be doing is reducing your yield, or so i surmise.

5: how long are the periods for autos? another words from the seedling to Veg phase, then Veg to Flowering.
I'm currently using root nutrients, to strengthen the roots, when should I switch to Veg nutes, and then flowering nutes.
...i think it varys, again i'm no expert, lol.

6: Aprox. how much water should I be giving the plants at this point, as seen in photos? How much do you give a plant in
veg phase, and then when flowering?
...this is one of those fundamentals you should be able to find answers for yourself, understand that while this is new to you it isn't new so most of the questions you can think to ask have already been asked at least a thousand times in the last year alone.

anyway, i'm not trying to lay any shit on you man, what you need to do is learn the weight of your plants when they are dry so all you will then need to do is lift your pots up to know if they are thirsty or not.

...i grow in hempy buckets so i water every day so there is no guess work involved.

7: And finally! I plan on letting these flower with 24- 7 light. But if these were normal, not auto-flowering,
the darkness period: would it be compromised by even, say, a sliver of light? I understand its total darkness, but lets
say light can come in through a tiny crack. Is the darkness compromised?

any other pertinent ideas appreciated!

Thanks a zillion friends!
Ekspain
...and what would happen, or i should say, what could happen if you had a small sliver of light is that the plants that get hit with that light might hermie on you and that could in turn pollinate your entire grow.

peace, bozo
 

Vindicated

Well-Known Member
Keep lighting 2 inches from top leaves. Transplanting is stressful when your tearing roots. To avoid this allow 1-2 inches of space between root tips and container walls and bottom at all times. Indoors I prefer 18/6 lighting schedule. I strongly believe dark periods are beneficial to growth. I do not recommend cutting any healthy tissue. Dead tissue however should be removed. Aim to provide as much lighting as you can during all phases of growth, but be mindful of excessive heat. I like to have 100w per plant per square foot which Imo is a good compromise between cost, wattage, and heating. Hi All purpose nutrients / fertilizers are ideal.
 

Rancho Cucamonga

Active Member
Do not repot autos. You need to start them in their final container. If you have to just make sure you prep everything so you can just drop the root ball and dirt mass right into the new container. Have a hole/area large enough for the root ball/dirt mass in the new container. I'd do the transplant now before the roots begin to really grow. Just turn container upside down and cup it with your hand, gently squeeze container with free hand and carefully shake up and down until mass falls into your cupped hand. Plop it in new container as softly and quickly as possible and cover up any exposed areas with soil.

Lights you will figure out. T5s and flors can get very close(1-3 inches) but MH and HPS need to be 8-24" away depending on wattage. Use back of hand to test how hot lights are, move lights away from tops if hand gets uncomfortably hot.

Any branch cutting do in veg. I'd do a few grows without pruning anything.

Your nute system you'll have to figure out yourself. Always start weak.

You can lightly water or soak until a half gallon comes out. What's more important is how often you water, you want to allow your pots to dry out some before you water/fed. I suggest you fed/water enough so some runoff comes out bottom. Start slow.

IDK. I do normal fems, not autos. My flower rooms are total darkness. I'd only be guess if small or short amounts of light truly hurt in flower. In outdoors there is the moon and different natural and human made lights so who knows. To be safe, if you ever decide to do regular plants make it total darkness. Easy to do with poly sheeting, 90 degree ducting, ect.
 

Sir.Ganga

New Member
When you do transfer pots let the little one dry to the point of it needing a good water then pick the container up and tap the sides gently and squeeze diagnoally lightly, place the stem between your fingers and flip the container upside down and it will completley fall into your hands for easy transplant with no added stress. I usually start my girls under floro's like you but I first start my light a few inches higher, until they start to reach up, once they have hard ons I drop the light to where you have in the pics, seems to stimulate them and they grow really fast this way for me.

Good Luck
 

MrKringle

Member
Man, I've been through a lot of threads and can't find out, how much light I need. Trying to do one at a time. Maybe two small ones. Have 2- 150mh, 270w LED and thinking of getting a 1000w dual arch. ?? Thoughts??
 

ekspain

Active Member
Hey!
Actually things are growing quite nicely. I'm going to change my grow space tomorrow. my plants are coming along. I'm thinking about vertical lighting now. But not sure where to find it. Went to grow store and they told me I had to convert an overhead set up somehow. There's gotta be another way.

I was thinking of adding and LED light, i.e. found on amazon or something. just as an additional lighting.

EK
 

justanotherbozo

Well-Known Member
...mornin' man, here's a couple pics of my vertical 600 and if you go with HID lighting you won't need to convert anything, you just buy the ballast WITHOUT the hood which should save you a couple hundred, then, instead of a hood, you just buy a cord set, which in my case is a 15foot wire that plugs into the ballast at one end and has the bulb socket at the other which i just hang, vertically, from the ceiling.

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peace, bozo

btw, here is that info on reflectivity i promised you.

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btw, here is some info on reflectivity that will help you in making your decision, ...my personal favorite is the Elastomeric paint thinned a little with flat white paint because it is highly reflective and rubberized so waterproof AND mildew resistant AND it's VERY inexpensive at approx. $15.00 per gallon.

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Foylon:

A more durable version of mylar, made of spun polyester fabric and reinforced with foil laminate. Foylon is resistant to most solutions, won't tear or fade, and can be wiped or washed clean.

A great solution for growers who are interested in long term use, and though it may be slightly more expensive than mylar, its durability will more than make up for its cost. It has the ability to reflect about 95% of the light and approximately 85% of the heat energy, so a good ventilation system should be used in conjunction with folyon.

A recommended method to attach Foylon to the walls would be using Velcro, as it makes taking it down for cleaning much easier nd reduces the risk of tearing, creasing or bending it. If this is used for your walls, making sure you get it flush with the wall with no pockets of air between it and the wall to prevent hotspots.

Mylar:

A highly reflective polyester film that comes in varying thickness, the most common being 1 and 2 mm thick. The 2mm thick mylar while not quite as durable as the foylon, is fairly rugged. The 1mm thick mylar tears fairly easily, so taking it down for cleaning is quite difficult without damaging it in the process. Both types of mylar are able to reflect approximately 92-97% reflective, giving it the potential to be more reflective than foylon, but because foylon is more easily cleaned without damaging it as well as it being harder to crease, foylon usually ends up being slightly more reflective. Important to note is that mylar reflects radiant heat energy just as well as foylon (around 85%), so proper ventilation is necessary if mylar is used in your grow room. Attaching this to walls can be done in a similar fashion as foylon, and the same caution should be used to avoid creating hotspots in your room. The 1mm thick mylar stands a fair chance of being creased or ripped in the process unfortunately, even if Velcro is used to attach to the walls.

C3 anti-detection film:

A specialized type of mylar that exhibits the same properties as the 2mm thick mylar, but in addition to reflecting approximately 92-97% of the light, it also is 90% infrared proof, making your grow room all but invisible to IR scanning. This can also be attached in the same manner as foylon or mylar, and the same caution should be used to avoid creating hotspots in your room.

Flat white paint:

Self explanatory; a great option for large grow rooms or for people who are interested in a low maintenance wall. Flat white paint has the ability to reflect between 75-85% of the light, and does not create hotspots. Adding a fungicide is recommended when painting.

Glossy and eggshell whites not reflect light as efficiently as flat white. Semi-gloss paint for example, only has the ability to reflect between 55-60% of the light. Also important to remember when using paint is that any smears or blemishes on the surface take away from how reflective the wall is so care should be taken to avoid marking or staining the walls. Titanium white paint is very reflective; however it is usually only used on reflectors due to its high cost.

Elastomeric paint (info by furun)

A rubberized roofing paint with 90% reflection. Good for growboxes. Mildew resistant. Highly reflective.

Kool Seal White Elastomeric Roof Coating ~ $15.00 (1 Gallon)

Ultra high reflectivity
Forms a rubber-like blanket that expands and contracts
Adheres to almost any surface (very good on wood and metal)
Available @ Lowe's Home Improvement: Buy Kitchen Cabinets, Paint, Appliances & Flooring (look in the roofing department)

White/Black plastic (also known as panda plastic or "poly"):

"Poly" is useful if you are setting up a temporary grow room or don’t want to damage the walls. Poly is easily cleaned.

The purpose of the black side is to not allow any light to pass through the plastic, which ensures your dark cycle remains dark. The white side is 75-90% reflective. Choose a 6 "mill" thickness of poly for maximum light blockage and duribility.

If this plastic is put too close to the light, you will obviously melt it so be careful!. Panda plastic does not create hotspots. Poly can be attached to the walls by using carpenter’s nails or using tape glue or similar means. This can be used as a cheap alternative to mylar if painting your grow room is out of the question.

Polystyrene Foam Sheeting (more commonly known as Styrofoam):

This is excellent for harsh environment growrooms (your attic for example), provided you have a good ventilation system and a way to keep the temperatures from rising too high (an a/c unit or similar) as it is an excellent insulator.

It is also a great material for use in a temporary setup or for use as a "travelling reflector" on a light mover, where weight is a concern. It is approximately 75-85% light reflective so it is comparable to using a flat white paint. Foam will not create hot spots. Rigid foam can be purchased in sheets, and can be used as a free standing wall or can be taped, glued or nailed to the wall, the last generally being the most successful method.

Emergency Blankets:

These are ultra thin polyester blankets that are sold in most camping stores and are constructed of a single layer of polyester film that is covered with a layer of vapor deposited aluminum.

It is not very effective at reflecting light because it is so thin. Holding it between you and a light source, many small holes are noticed at the intersections of creases and the entire blanket is translucent to begin with, this coupled with the many creases that are in it when you purchase it takes away a significant amount of it reflectivity. It is very easily creased as well which also detracts from its ability to reflect light. And while it is reflects nearly 90% of radiant heat energy, it is only able to reflect around 70% of the light.

The largest advantage of using this type of material is that it is very cheap and therefore easily replaced. Emergency blankets can create hotspots if not attached flush to the wall so it is important that no air gaps exist between it and your supporting wall. The easiest way to attach this is to use tape (Aluminum or metal tape is recommended), as it tears very easily once it is cut or punctured.

Aluminum Foil:
Aluminum foil is no more than 55% reflective - if used, make sure that the dull side is the one that is used to reflect the light. When it becomes creased its reflectivity is even lower (around 35%.) It is also very dangerous to use because it creates hotspots easily, is electrically conductive, and is a fire hazard when it is in close contact with HID lighting. Attaching this to walls is a pain and usually using aluminum tape or glue is the best way. This should only be used as a last resort, and even then its usefulness is questionable.
 

sworth

Well-Known Member
:confused: Mylar is 90% reflective, space blanket 70%, foil 55%..but all their reflective surfaces are aluminium :confused:
 
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