that is the problem with the gun folks - the point to solutions that are even more impossible than the ones others propose. how would you get every child with loving parents and a good upbringing? (and do you actually suppose that is all it would take to end the gun crazy violence? really?).
So removing hunks of metal created hundreds of years ago in your mind is more possible and more reasonable then raising children appropriately? Its more likely to keep people from commiting acts of violence and eliminating victims? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds now that your reading it again? Do you realize that the children are the victims that we need to protect so that there will be less violence?
I didn't come here to offer a solution - i cam here to offer reality - that your insistance on unfettered ownership of any and all firearms costs society. You are either willing to meet that cost head on as NLX did or you are lying to yourself.
My logical conistenetency and rational mindset when I see the reality of the situation in that hunks of metal from the 1800's which can be forged by a mans bare hands cannot be removed from society? That rock fire are naturual elements of the earth which cannot be disposed of? that violent force cannot be opposed by another violent force to break a cycle? That violence is a cycle which we in turn pass to our children?
Once you are actually willing to admit the cost then things can actually be done to mitigate that cost, until then there is the same stalemate until enough children have died that your right to keep and bear will be seriously in danger - and you know this to be true.
If every gun is destroyed children will continue to be murdered as long as there is violence and hardship in this world, thats the fact of the matter, inanimate objects don't create the cycle of violence, we do. We have to help ourselves, the government sure doesn't have helping us in its interest.
Again Waiting for your suggestion of "Reasonable Gun Control Measures".....
1. We can apply legal sanctions, we can collect and ban machines far easier than we can mandate the behavior of families. You are going back to the organics of firearms and that seems to be necessary to your argument when the truth is quite different. Certainly a man can create a firearm from earth wind and fire - itis highly unlikely that this man will take on such an endeavor with the express purpose of shooting up a school or church. You and I both know that.
I have reloaded my share of ammunition, I have molded my share of projectiles, I have shaved and shaped my share of stocks, resized brass, measured powder and the rest. I served as an apprentice with a master gunsmith, my grandfather since I was a small boy. My first firearm was given to me at the age of 11. My grandfather lived productively to the age of 99 (and he was genuinely pissed that he didn't make 100). Herters catalog and the gun bible were my required reading. We would rove military firing ranges for spent 50 caliber barrels in order to make wildely inaccurate rifles.
but that gives me no authority when it comes to modern firearms as my training ended some 40 years ago.
Now do I have a solution that does not violate my understanding of not only the 2nd amendment but the spirit of the constitution? it does not.
But what I am saying is that it is incumbent upon gun owners, most especially the intransigent ones who maintain that there is nothing they are willing to do, to come out and admit that their intransigence, their unwilling to admit that that intransegence is a part of the problem and costs lives. Come out and say that your right to keep and bear is born on the backs of innocents.
Oh and to this long used ploy "well children will be killed anyway" holds no truck as they will not be killed in such profusion as that is what the weapon of choice of the madman is - a tool for killing large numbers of people in short periods of time. Anything that will delay that ability might do some good.
