How many innocent lives are your guns worth?

[kelly4]

If your arms are registered - anywhere,no one will ever "come after your guns" - they will wait and you will bring them.

Registered with who?

There you go not making sense again...

I thought you said you know something about guns...

 

[canndo]

They cannot fine you if you are not on the list. I won't be made to surrender what they don't know about, bubble boy. You wish to push this impasse. Fines, then surrender unless we act reasonable, law-abiding and you get to Ratchet that defnition? There is another alternative. It is ugly and that is what you will get.

Note clearly where I said "if your gun is registered"

 

[Dr Kynes]

If your arms are registered - anywhere,no one will ever "come after your guns" - they will wait and you will bring them.

and you beat this dead horse again. "it's not siezure if they force you to turn them over" is like my little brother in the back seat of the car with a booger on his finger.

"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
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[Figong]

Canndo might be correct. The guy who comes for your gun might not be armed.

The guys who come after him because you didn't turn over your guns though...will be heavily armed.

Would expect that, but if they,in their search, find nothing.. I can not be forced to give up any evidence that is being hunted for, even if federal state of emergency were to be declared.

 

[canndo]

Registered with who?

There you go not making sense again...

I thought you said you know something about guns...

None of the guns we made were registered because.... we made them.

Now are you telling me that no firearm in the United States has any paper trail behind it? even to the vendor?

 

[Doer]

That's nice for your father in law.


I never saw one, in fact I was never visited - why? when all confiscation can be done remotely - no agent necessary. And until you have had a serous bout with child support services you have no idea what can be done to you without a weapon in evidence.

You cooperated, bone head. They didn't come after you. You were a deadbeat and you owed. You paid without violence. So what? They can still make you pay.

 

[kelly4]

None of the guns we made were registered because.... we made them.

Now are you telling me that no firearm in the United States has any paper trail behind it? even to the vendor?

The government has absolutely no idea I have any guns.

If any gun owner here has his gun registered, please raise your hand...

 

[Dr Kynes]

Doc you use the word semantics as if it were a bit filthy. It is all, as without meaning, words are pretty much nothing but letters.


My premise is a logical order for those who believe that the constitution is to be interpreted only in the view of the founders and in no other way - thus, as it';s founders are dead so to their work.

Your premise is illogical.
A document kmeans what it says, WHEN IT IS WRITTEN not in some imagined future.
contract law, common law and constitutional law work under the same premise.

under your idiotic premise internet memes are the only authority the future will know.

you are attempting to creat the dystopian nightmare of the film Idiocracy by demanding the constitution conform to your assumptions.

 

[Doer]

Note clearly where I said "if your gun is registered"

That's the background, I saw that. Address the comment about fines and surrender. It shows your colors.

You contradict yourself, lawyer. Fines and surrender, but no list? Say What?

 

[canndo]

and you beat this dead horse again. "it's not siezure if they force you to turn them over" is like my little brother in the back seat of the car with a booger on his finger.

"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"

I didn't say it was not seizure, I said that no one would physicaly come after your guns.

Consider rationaly for a moment. We see the rabid nature of most gun owners, does anyone actually believe that local police and troops would hazard a pitched house by house battle in order to grab guns? Does anyone figure that there are enough law enforcement officers or military to accomplish such a thing? Get real for once and drop the John Wayne wild west shootemup fantasy you all have about your weapons - it will never happen, it can never happen, you don't need your guns to protect your guns because no one is ever going to get them through force.


You haven't figured that out yet? I have and I'm a stupid liberal who believes in the all powerful monolithic, evil government.

 

[Doer]

and you beat this dead horse again. "it's not siezure if they force you to turn them over" is like my little brother in the back seat of the car with a booger on his finger.

"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"
"I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"

Mom!!! He won't stay on his side! He's touching me!

 

[canndo]

That's the background, I saw that. Address the comment about fines and surrender. It shows your colors.

You contradict yourself, lawyer. Fines and surrender, but no list? Say What?

Ever had a serious run in with child support Doer?

 

[Mr Neutron]

I'm a stupid liberal who believes in the all powerful monolithic, evil government.

Thanks for the sig line.

 

[PurpleBuz]

When and where have you seen me advocate for the confiscation of firearms? (here's a hint - you havn't).

Now you have the same dilema. Should you curtail the 2nd? or should you curtail most of the rest of the document by allowing our medical community to "imprison" those they deem crazy enough to kill someone? Without trial, without jury.

(by the way, I don't think much of our "great" medical community anyway, it is others who tout it wrongly as the finest on earth)

The whole premise of the thread that you started is based on YOUR assumption that surrending firearms would prevent children from being shot.
Couch it how you like but you can't weasel out of what stated in your first post.

"If you knew for certain that surrendering your firearm would keep a given number of children from being shot, what would that number be?"

and please do not put words into my mouth. I did not say imprison, thats a gross assumption. How about responsible treatment ? How about not being allowed to purchase guns if your considered potentially dangerous? Surely if we don't try to work at the heart of the problem all we will ever do is put bandaids on top of bandaids.

 

[kelly4]

I didn't say it was not seizure, I said that no one would physicaly come after your guns.

Consider rationaly for a moment. We see the rabid nature of most gun owners, does anyone actually believe that local police and troops would hazard a pitched house by house battle in order to grab guns? Does anyone figure that there are enough law enforcement officers or military to accomplish such a thing? Get real for once and drop the John Wayne wild west shootemup fantasy you all have about your weapons - it will never happen, it can never happen, you don't need your guns to protect your guns because no one is ever going to get them through force.


You haven't figured that out yet? I have and I'm a stupid liberal who believes in the all powerful monolithic, evil government.

Why do you think that gun owners will wait for the government to squeeze everything they own out of them slowly? Do you really think these people will just sit there and take it in the ass?

You are under the assumption that the government will have to fire the first shot in order to get people to fight back.

 

[canndo]

Your premise is illogical.
A document kmeans what it says, WHEN IT IS WRITTEN not in some imagined future.
contract law, common law and constitutional law work under the same premise.

under your idiotic premise internet memes are the only authority the future will know.

you are attempting to creat the dystopian nightmare of the film Idiocracy by demanding the constitution conform to your assumptions.

this is a different discussion completely - try "is the constitution dead".

 

[Doer]

They better slip a copy under the door, and it better have an exact list of what they're after, and locations within the residence where they expect to find it.. or they get nothing. Also better include address, date, judges signature, amongst other things. Worst case, they kick in the door anyway even if warrant isn't valid - just produces plenty of ammo for a defense attorney to rip them a few new assholes. They may have suspected something was there to 'take', but if not detailed.. no va.

If they say they have a warrant then they will search as you read the memo, not let you read it before hand. Clear cut cases on evidence destruction makes this settled law.

 

[Figong]

Why do you think that gun owners will wait for the government to squeeze everything they own out of them slowly? Do you really think these people will just sit there and take it in the ass?

You are under the assumption that the government will have to fire the first shot in order to get people to fight back.

Nope would only take a door ram, flash bang, or breaching charge.. no shot needed.

 

[canndo]

The whole premise of the thread that you started is based on YOUR assumption that surrending firearms would prevent children from being shot.
Couch it how you like but you can't weasel out of what stated in your first post.
"If you knew for certain that surrendering your firearm would keep a given number of children from being shot, what would that number be?"

I never said such a thing. I see that only NLX actuall sees what the hell I'm talking about. Fine. I do not ask anyone to surrender their firearms and your reading that into what I state only serves to show the shooter mentality far more than I can have.

I said "if you knew for certain that surrendering your fire arms would keep a number of children from being shot - how many would that number be"


Now, can we ever know for certain? NO. It was a hypothetical question and I believe I am allowed those.

 

[kelly4]

They better slip a copy under the door, and it better have an exact list of what they're after, and locations within the residence where they expect to find it.. or they get nothing. Also better include address, date, judges signature, amongst other things. Worst case, they kick in the door anyway even if warrant isn't valid - just produces plenty of ammo for a defense attorney to rip them a few new assholes. They may have suspected something was there to 'take', but if not detailed.. no va.

If it gets to the point that the government is coming to your house to collect your guns, defense lawyers won't be able to do shit. You've already lost your rights.