Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

[Bud Brewer]

No wonder you manually defoliate. You're just beating the plant to what is gonna be its final outcome - fan leaf necrosis. I'm not here to put you down, but those leaves do not look healthy. What foods are you using? Uhhhhh, let me guess. You've been using some "cannabis specific" snake oils like Advanced Shysters or Humboldt that is low in N and too damn high in K. Did I guess it right, get the prize?

This is what you should aim for - an abundance of medium to dark green, healthy fan leaves. Plants were a couple of weeks prior to harvest. This plant was crammed into my indoor garden with many others, and, guess what kiddies? Notice the bottom SHADED buds, like 20" down from the top, are FAT and DENSE! It flies right into the face of your practices and supports the botanical fact that a shaded apple is sum mightee fine eatin'!

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And just for shits and grins, here's an outdoor sativa that was topped for 4 main colas. Those colas are a foot wide, at least. The one in the foreground about 18" wide due to the weight of the buds. And yes, the 4 colas were staked the best I could do.

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As an aside, I've been noting my observations for years - noobs (and some veteran gardeners) often embrace the (dysfunctional) romance they have with the minority of gardeners who defoliate. Why? Because they have not yet learned what makes a plant tick, mastered practices required to retain healthy leaves until harvest, so, they spin their shortcomings, sour grapes style, to protect their egos. Simple Psychology 405....

UB

That bud is only 20 inches down and isn't really shaded at all but your leaves are curling bad to much nitrogen.
The sativas are airie and leafy and losing lots of leaves those aren't dense buds but I appreciate sativas my favorite smoke.

 

[Slab]

You can say far far more hurtful things without using profanity.

It's just guy talk, he doesn't complain when you cus at him.

 

[Uncle Ben]

There's a difference between calling someone delusional and a mother fucker. Does half-stepping make profane insults ok? I thought this guy was trying to get his phd. Surely he knows some more creative and less derogatory words to choose from.

Look, I usually ignore you but this spin needs to be cleared up. I'm direct, sometimes coming across as abrasive to others who wear their feelings on their sleeve, are thin skinned. You're passive-aggressive, using sideways anger to manipulate and control. I find you just a abrasive in a game playing manner.

Now, do we understand each other? If you want the real deal, I'll give it to you. If you want spin, then suggest you back out of RIU and go watch some MSNBC.

UB

 

[PJ Diaz]

Look, I usually ignore you but this spin needs to be cleared up. I'm direct, sometimes coming across as abrasive to others who wear their feelings on their sleeve, are thin skinned. You're passive-aggressive, using sideways anger to manipulate and control. I find you just a abrasive in a game playing manner.

Now, do we understand each other? If you want the real deal, I'll give it to you. If you want spin, then suggest you back out of RIU and go watch some MSNBC.

UB

I'm happy to play by either rules. I just need to know what they are. You wanna have a "fuck you fest". OK, I'm pretty good at that too. Seems silly and polarizing though.

I've never been called passive-aggressive however. If anything I'm aggressive-aggressive. The people I work with don't have to wonder what I think, because I tell them. They might not like what I say, but they respect me for being willing to say it to their faces.

 

[PJ Diaz]

You can say far far more hurtful things without using profanity.

It's just guy talk, he doesn't complain when you cus at him.

To be honest, I don't really care what he says to me. My skin is pretty tough. My problem is when he attacks others, and runs people away. It's pretty lame. I'll be the zorro on weed for those people.

 

[Slab]

Didn't know you were a mod. I wasn't being fascecious when I recommended pinning this thread. There are too damn many threads regarding defoliation practices IMO.

UB

Are you being a prick? Lol

 

[PJ Diaz]

Are you being a prick? Lol

You wouldn't expect anything less would you?

 

[Slab]

I think it is a clever way of telling me to butt out.


ah ok I got it, I said I deleted a post that was inflammatory, It was my own post that I deleted Uncle Ben.

you see how that over sensitive shite gets in the way lol

 

[Bud Brewer]

Who is the independent, non partisan, scientific community that is gonna dictate proper empirical procedures for setup and data collection and monitor and control your day to day activities? Will you be weighing flowering plant parts and exactly how will you determine where to start cutting and where to finish and at what moisture content?

If you want to see for yourself, fine, more power to you, keeping in mind the community is still left with anecdotal evidence and a predisposition to have an outcome of what we want or expect to see.

Good luck,
UB

The forum will be the independent, non partisan, scientific community that is gonna dictate proper empirical procedures for setup and data collection and monitor and control your day to day activities
They will all be around a 400 watt fed the same homemade organic foods same new soil mix its been cooking for a monththey will be treated equally the difference in grow pattern will be obvious.

 

[elkukupanda]

You are well on your way to becoming a Master Gardener. Good on ya for the research from credible sources!

BTW, another way to look at production potential and plant health as it relates to any kind of plant tissue is by measuring the amount of chlorophyll, and of course when you cut off a healthy very green leaf, you're removed valuable chlorophyll. If it's replaced 100% of leaves or more, you're fine other than stunting the plant or stressing it bit.

Now.....check this out, a frickin' chlorophyll meter which measures the health of your plants! Greener=more chlorophyll=healthier plant. This is what you call a real Bendejo tweek, hah!
http://www.agriculturesolutions.com/Chlorophyll-Meters/View-all-products.html?gclid=CIO_0aaHibUCFSmCQgodizsAEg

I bet I could send the needle right through the lens on that Trainwreck cross.

Nice toy.. i haven't get to read more about EC... I been thinking about buying a of tool or two for my next grow... ( i'm not a pro neither do it for a living )so i was thinking what are must to grow a healthy plant... I already have a ph tester (which i have found useless so far **i grow in soil**) soil moisture ( it only confirms that a light pot needs watering **useless** as well).. light meter ( i think ill pass on that ).. but i was thinking an EC meter.. yet i have to read more.. care to share a little bit more about growing tools and some info man

 

[Uncle Ben]

I think it is a clever way of telling me to butt out.


ah ok I got it, I said I deleted a post that was inflammatory, It was my own post that I deleted Uncle Ben.

you see how that over sensitive shite gets in the way lol

You lost me. I never directed anything at you other than to recommend this be pinned.

 

[Bud Brewer]

There are plenty of growers here that get plants that bushy, without defoliation. I have gotten 118 colas on one plant, what I found was there just wasn't even enough hormones to drive that much flowering. You have some beautiful plants brewer, I did delete that room dialed in comment because it was inflammatory.

Some do most don't It can be strain dependent some don't branch much without help your 118 buds was probably done on a scrog another way to create more branches but you need the roots and food to feed them dial it in there are many ways to grow these plants.

I prefer big bushes in big containers and lots of branches that i get by defoliating in veg.

 

[Uncle Ben]

The forum will be the independent, non partisan, scientific community that is gonna dictate proper empirical procedures for setup and data collection and monitor and control your day to day activities

I rest my case LOL.

Here's a defoliating mofo with a 20 post count, criticising my garden, telling me this forum is 'scientific' and will be the determining factor for his "experiment" yet to be seen ?

Hah, gotta luv this community!

 

[Slab]

You lost me. I never directed anything at you other than to recommend this be pinned.

pardon me for that, just a miscommunication.

I am not a mod.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I rest my case LOL.

Thank goodness. I assume that means you're finally done posting in this thread.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Nice toy.. i haven't get to read more about EC... I been thinking about buying a of tool or two for my next grow... ( i'm not a pro neither do it for a living )so i was thinking what are must to grow a healthy plant... I already have a ph tester (which i have found useless so far **i grow in soil**) soil moisture ( it only confirms that a light pot needs watering **useless** as well).. light meter ( i think ill pass on that ).. but i was thinking an EC meter.. yet i have to read more.. care to share a little bit more about growing tools and some info man

Don't pass on a light meter, it will make for some nice logistical tweeks. Make sure it registers to at least 10K f.c. Hold it up to within 6" of a 600HPS and tell me what you get haha. I bought a new one off ebay, cheap. That was after my 30 year old one crapped out. I ran a garden average of 4,000 - 6,500 f.c. registered near plant tops.

UB

 

[Slab]

@ bud brewer.

There is a best practice , with some tweaks yes.

it was outdoor and I super cropped, in a very large container called the earth lol.

i had no problems with losing leaf or yellowing.

 

[elkukupanda]

Don't pass on a light meter, it will make for some nice logistical tweeks. Make sure it registers to at least 10K f.c. Hold it up to within 6" of a 600HPS and tell me what you get haha. I bought a new one off ebay, cheap. That was after my 30 year old one crapped out. I ran a garden average of 4,000 - 6,500 f.c. registered near plant tops.

UB

Sounds fair. Which brand you bought? Btw what about an EC meter... or do you use any tools to confirm on fertilization output/input?

 

[Bud Brewer]

I rest my case LOL.

Here's a guy with a 20 post count, criticising my garden, telling me this forum is somehow scientific and will be the determining factor for his "experiment" yet to be seen?

Hah, gotta luv RIU.

Post count means little your post count is mostly trolling around insulting people you add little to this thread you prove yourself wrong every few page then unsub for an hour all showing your lack of integrity your plants are not as healthy as you preach I am bang on with what I said.

I have grown for many years first time in mid 80's my plants are healthier and bigger than anything you have shown.

I will do a good side by side journal for everybody's benefit good or bad I will not cheat anywhere I have Integrity I have no need to insult people I post studys with links I use full quotes not like your edit jobs I don't lie to this board every few pages saying I'm leaving unsubbed when you get proven wrong time and time again.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Don't pass on a light meter, it will make for some nice logistical tweeks. Make sure it registers to at least 10K f.c. Hold it up to within 6" of a 600HPS and tell me what you get haha. I bought a new one off ebay, cheap. That was after my 30 year old one crapped out. I ran a garden average of 4,000 - 6,500 f.c. registered near plant tops.

UB

Totally agree on the light meter. I use a cheap one from Ebay too, that measures up to 20,000 ft candle: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Digital-Lux-Meter-200-000-LUX-LCD-LAB-PHOTO-LX1330B-/170645283637?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bb406335