Hey Ms lahadaextranjera

[Perfextionist420]

So my friend and I were talking the other day about potential places we could retire outside the united states and one of the ones that came to mind was actually spain. I was just curious, your description says where its legal, how does one go about growing legally in spain?

 

[Stonerman Enoch]

From wikipedia on Cannabis laws by country under Spain

Buying and selling cannabis is a criminal offence punishable by law. Possession and consumption at a public place constitutes a misdemeanour and is penalized with a fine and confiscation. Growing the plant on private property for personal use, and consumption by adults in a private space is a constitutional right and hence not illegal.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Carne Seca]

A constitutional right? Seriously? WTF America?

 

[Perfextionist420]

i think i love spain

a nice house in the countryside with a vinyard and a few personal plants and a cute local girl sounds like heaven

 

[ClaytonBigsby]

The ladies of Espana are smokin hot. Sounds like a great plan. You better have some scratch and a plan, though, I believe unemployment is 27% right now.

 

[lahadaextranjera]

Basically, the Associations (the clubs that I talk about) have been licensed by the government to sell weed/hash etc to members. This costs €20 and you can join as many clubs as you like. Home grows and outdoor are no problem at all. If anything thieves are the problem. For large grows you work under licence and treat it like a normal business.

We are not supposed to be smoking all over the street but even yesterday there was a guy on a moped stinking out the street with a skunk joint.

Spannabis has been on all weekend and I went to a top after party last night. The laws here have attracted growers/breeders from all over Europe. Derry from Barneys Farm was telling me on Friday that he's moved here now. Soma's daughter Willow has been here for 15 years. The big Buddha boss lives in Ibiza. There's a huge movement happening here due to the Associaions.

Due to the financial crisis, Spain is not a lucrative destination for most. Unless you work in the weed business. Unemployment is 24% compared to 4% in Germany. I'd say Spain is a fantastic lifestyle choice and great for retirement.

 

[lahadaextranjera]

My friends (saw them last night too) have a gorgeous mountain villa. They are actually indoor growers but had a bit of fun in the garden. 300 litres watering a day !! They have a guard dog. We do what the f**k we like here.

 

[Carne Seca]

That is a lot of weed.

 

[lahadaextranjera]

Small random balcony in city centre. You find dead leaves in the street in the summer which bemuses the more senior tourists!!

 

[Perfextionist420]

in comparison to the us id imagine the living costs are relatively cheaper? id be moving there with a significant chunk if I did it, and thats pretty awesome

 

[ClaytonBigsby]

indeed, what IS going on price wise? With 24% unemplyment, how is anyone paying their mortgage/bills? Seems real estate should be on the cheap, but I have looked and it is not.

 

[lahadaextranjera]

The property bubble has burst and properties have been under repossession for a while. There's a huge buy to let market here and
most Spanish are property rich and cash poor.

 

[Total Head]

indeed, what IS going on price wise? With 24% unemplyment, how is anyone paying their mortgage/bills? Seems real estate should be on the cheap, but I have looked and it is not.

there's been a lot of stories recently about several suicides as a result of the mortgage situation. from what i understand, in spain, even if you default and they take your house, you're still responsible for a shitton of money. there's no filing for bankruptcy.

http://www.adn.com/2013/02/12/2786583/spanish-police-2-commit-suicide.html

 

[ClaytonBigsby]

So, the incentive is to sell. Is that happening, and at waht discount? It is so difficult to judge real estate on websites because most appear to be listed by investors hoping to capitalize on dumb 'Mericans with some money and a dream.

 

[Perfextionist420]

holy crap there are absolutely beautiful homes for cheap where I want to go look at this

http://www.kyero.com/property/1995637-villa-for-sale-alberic?


this is right within my price range i would be looking for and it is incredible

 

[lahadaextranjera]

So, the incentive is to sell. Is that happening, and at waht discount? It is so difficult to judge real estate on websites because most appear to be listed by investors hoping to capitalize on dumb 'Mericans with some money and a dream.

But the problem there is that if the banks aren't lending to each other then they aren't handing out mortgages either. Cash buyers delight!!! The rich get richer and the poor get poorer as one mans loss is another mans gain.

 

[lahadaextranjera]

holy crap there are absolutely beautiful homes for cheap where I want to go look at this

http://www.kyero.com/property/1995637-villa-for-sale-alberic?


this is right within my price range i would be looking for and it is incredible

Nice villa. Check out www.idealista.com it's in English too. Seems like you're on it!!

 

[lahadaextranjera]

there's been a lot of stories recently about several suicides as a result of the mortgage situation. from what i understand, in spain, even if you default and they take your house, you're still responsible for a shitton of money. there's no filing for bankruptcy.

http://www.adn.com/2013/02/12/2786583/spanish-police-2-commit-suicide.html

Not sure. Probably, we did have a huge number of suicides of farmers during the mad cow epidemic when all their livestock were slaughtered. As far as I'm aware, Scandinavia has the highest rate of suicide due to seasonal disorder and most are young males.
As for bankruptcy, I'm quite sure they can declare themselves.

 

[racerboy71]

spain is an amazing country perfextionist, at least barcelona and gerona, the two cities i've visited personally..

and like lahada said, perfectly legal to have personal grows in spain as far as i know..
people were super friendly and lots of killer stuff to view in places like barcelona if you're the city type, and tons of country if that's your thing.

 

[ClaytonBigsby]

But the problem there is that if the banks aren't lending to each other then they aren't handing out mortgages either. Cash buyers delight!!! The rich get richer and the poor get poorer as one mans loss is another mans gain.

I understand that. My question is whether or not listings like the one Perfexionist posted are accurate. To me, $285,000USD for that place seems kind of high for a country with 24% unemployment. I can find similar homes all over the world, with much better employment numbers. Would you say that listing is a fair assessment of its value?