Grow 1: Day 1, 4xGirl Scout Cookies, 2x240w blackstar LED, 1closet=WE WILL FIND OUT!!

natro.hydro

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Root bound is when your roots have outgrown the size of your container and you start to have more roots than soil so the plant can never take up nutes and shit like it needs to and stresses the hell out of them when they are that size and you try and stick it through to the end.Reason I believe it to be root bound is it seems to just be the one with the most vigorous growth. I am telling you bro transplant now or regret putting it off tomorrow... Idk who told you 1 gals would work aside from me saying it CAN work but isn't recommended except as a learning experience that it can be done worst case scenario, my rule of thumb is one gallon of media for every month of growth, that said next grow I am putting a plant in a 7 gal before flowering and seeing if I don't pull a little more. The only real time this rule goes right out the window is for hydro since you are not trying to really contain the roots that much.
But your best case scenario right now is that she is not to far along and the others won't follow since they are not entirely comparable in stature. Roots stop getting generated after the 4th week of flower, this is why it is bad to take cloned from a flowering plant since it will have a hard time rooting while trying to make bud...
And ya I meant the bill cuz depending on your financial tax status this might not be a great time of the year or you are rolling in it from a return lol. Idk if I would try outside case someone follows you to there then back to your place then kicks your door down, heaven forbid of course but I am never an optimist when it comes to how shitty think they can be and get away with it. What can I say though I have been robbed at gun point before so I don't try to put myself in these situations anymore....
That temp probe should be at your canopy level or you are not gettin a real idea of what your leaves are feeling, could be a 5-10 degree difference alone from bottom of the canopy to the top. I have a digi thermom I bought at Menards that sits at soil height, also has hygrometer (humidity) so that is more the reason I use that one, then I have a cheap $10 strictly canopy temp gauge, like I said the diff is atleast 5 degrees usually, not 10 I say that because of the lack of air movement in there, don't get me wrong you are doing a huge favor to thme by opening that door... Had to do the same thing when I tried to maxi-crop a harvest and stuck 35 plants from seed in a total square footage of 30 lol.... This was the same one I tried to push my transplant until the plants were starting to look wonky like your top growth. I will show you pics from my transplant this time, girls did not have another week in those containers even, the super skunk maybe but the widow and diesel had to happen...2537969d1361612283t-2013-02-21-23.03.51.jpgthe diesel
2537976d1361612331t-2013-02-22-00.00.09.jpgthe widow, and just cuz I liked her root system....2537977d1361612342t-2013-02-22-00.00.24.jpg
and last cuz it is definitely the least impressive... but still average/decent for a fucked up germ'd plant that I thought about axing weeks ago...2537972d1361612297t-2013-02-21-23.16.34.jpg
And fyi those were in one gallon containers, for a month... hope I help reassured you to transplant maybe cuz the one def needs it and with flipping the lights you will see all the rest of your plants catch up to that one, do not mistake this to mean it will yield the same as the others, because if you do not transplant and soon, your best will be your worst..
 

Ghettobird209

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Root bound is when your roots have outgrown the size of your container and you start to have more roots than soil so the plant can never take up nutes and shit like it needs to and stresses the hell out of them when they are that size and you try and stick it through to the end.Reason I believe it to be root bound is it seems to just be the one with the most vigorous growth. I am telling you bro transplant now or regret putting it off tomorrow... Idk who told you 1 gals would work aside from me saying it CAN work but isn't recommended except as a learning experience that it can be done worst case scenario, my rule of thumb is one gallon of media for every month of growth, that said next grow I am putting a plant in a 7 gal before flowering and seeing if I don't pull a little more. The only real time this rule goes right out the window is for hydro since you are not trying to really contain the roots that much.
But your best case scenario right now is that she is not to far along and the others won't follow since they are not entirely comparable in stature. Roots stop getting generated after the 4th week of flower, this is why it is bad to take cloned from a flowering plant since it will have a hard time rooting while trying to make bud...
And ya I meant the bill cuz depending on your financial tax status this might not be a great time of the year or you are rolling in it from a return lol. Idk if I would try outside case someone follows you to there then back to your place then kicks your door down, heaven forbid of course but I am never an optimist when it comes to how shitty think they can be and get away with it. What can I say though I have been robbed at gun point before so I don't try to put myself in these situations anymore....
That temp probe should be at your canopy level or you are not gettin a real idea of what your leaves are feeling, could be a 5-10 degree difference alone from bottom of the canopy to the top. I have a digi thermom I bought at Menards that sits at soil height, also has hygrometer (humidity) so that is more the reason I use that one, then I have a cheap $10 strictly canopy temp gauge, like I said the diff is atleast 5 degrees usually, not 10 I say that because of the lack of air movement in there, don't get me wrong you are doing a huge favor to thme by opening that door... Had to do the same thing when I tried to maxi-crop a harvest and stuck 35 plants from seed in a total square footage of 30 lol.... This was the same one I tried to push my transplant until the plants were starting to look wonky like your top growth. I will show you pics from my transplant this time, girls did not have another week in those containers even, the super skunk maybe but the widow and diesel had to happen...View attachment 2564845the diesel
View attachment 2564846the widow, and just cuz I liked her root system....View attachment 2564847
and last cuz it is definitely the least impressive... but still average/decent for a fucked up germ'd plant that I thought about axing weeks ago...View attachment 2564848
And fyi those were in one gallon containers, for a month... hope I help reassured you to transplant maybe cuz the one def needs it and with flipping the lights you will see all the rest of your plants catch up to that one, do not mistake this to mean it will yield the same as the others, because if you do not transplant and soon, your best will be your worst..

Ty thanks bro yah definitely going to transplant atleast the two big ones to 5gals, should I transfer over to more fox farm ocean forest?
 

Ghettobird209

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Rrrrg n yah I know I can't think that they will all pull the same weight, I'm just pissed because I wanted the biggest yield possible and now they r all different sizes :(
 

Ghettobird209

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And yah I think I'm gna wait off trying out door plants cuz that's exactly what I see happening. Damn bro that's crazy how did that happen? ( getting held up at gun point)
 

Ninjabowler

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Are you safe to grow outside? I think i remember that your in a good neck of the woods for it, if you have an outdoor garden you could just stuff the little two in there and let nature do its thing. They shouldnt get that big and youd get free light.
 

natro.hydro

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Stupid kids get a heater and act bad then when someone calls their bluff they fucking cap them cus they are hard. One of my buddies took a round to the eye cus he didnt think they would seriously shoot him over two zips...luckily by a miracle thr pricks didnt leave a lil girl without a father and hes only one eye blind. gotta love the black market... Ive been robbed for as lil as a quarter ounce of weed. never thought someone would be so willing to catch an ass whooping over a days work lol
Alas this is not part of my lifestyle anymore thank god, shit gets old quick, would much rather pay my taxes and licensing fees than deal with shady characters, not that those do not exist in the business world...
 

Ghettobird209

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So i should be fine with transplanting to the same soil again? (fox farm ocean forest?) wanting to transplant today and just needa know guys thanks.
 

Ghettobird209

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I thinking 5gal is going to be too big. Ive read a handful amount of times now that a 3gal bucket is way enough for a 6ft tall plant. Well im not getting anywhere near that. should i be fine in 3gals?
 

natro.hydro

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Do as big as you feel is necessary, just do not forget that even when u do everything right there is still a limiting factor to growth, just dint want that to be what holds it back ya know? So i always go bigger than necessary... Like i said ,Im gonna try 7 gals next time, gonna do a longer veg because of this though. Worth dropping that extra 20 on materials if i pull atleast 2 more gs a plant.

If you want more of a yield out of them and have not flipped to 12/12 try topping your biggun, if you take enough you could try your hand at cloning. I would not be worried about killing it from topping, you would have to take like half the plant and even then its a toss up... Throw them all in 5s, they are pretty much as wide as 3 gals just deeper so you wont really lose any space except vertical. Just something to think about if your yield is gonna bug you that much since those blackstars are not a cheap investmennt to not get an initial return out of them...
 

Ghettobird209

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Do as big as you feel is necessary, just do not forget that even when u do everything right there is still a limiting factor to growth, just dint want that to be what holds it back ya know? So i always go bigger than necessary... Like i said ,Im gonna try 7 gals next time, gonna do a longer veg because of this though. Worth dropping that extra 20 on materials if i pull atleast 2 more gs a plant.

If you want more of a yield out of them and have not flipped to 12/12 try topping your biggun, if you take enough you could try your hand at cloning. I would not be worried about killing it from topping, you would have to take like half the plant and even then its a toss up... Throw them all in 5s, they are pretty much as wide as 3 gals just deeper so you wont really lose any space except vertical. Just something to think about if your yield is gonna bug you that much since those blackstars are not a cheap investmennt to not get an initial return out of them...
Shit yah i feel you I just got 3 gals., although im already very limited with my vertical space left. Basically at the highest, i can have my light hanging about 5feet above ground level. And if i were to went with 5 gals i would of lost alot of that vertical space. So i'll see how 3gals do for me. This is my first ever attempt to grow a plant let alone marijuana so if i pull some smokable stuff i'll be happy :) even stoked about having trimmings to make hash/oils or what ever! gonna need your help on that. lol so heres so pics of me starting my transplant. I made holes around my new buckets(3gals) so that i can LST. hopefully i'll learn how to do that too :evil:SAM_8205.jpgSAM_8206.jpgSAM_8207.jpgSAM_8208.jpgSAM_8209.jpg
Oh and have you heard of that soil before? went to go get more ffof at my hydro store and my dude pointed me to this stuff. He said its basically ocean forest but with a little better drainage. Hopefully that wasnt a fuck up!
 

Ghettobird209

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Shit Natro, havent started transplanting yet but i just rememberd you saying i should transplant the medium sized one because its kinda weirdly positioned with how much space is between the soil and the first leaf. should i run back to the store real fast and transplant this one as well?
 

Bakatare666

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Shit yah i feel you I just got 3 gals., although im already very limited with my vertical space left. Basically at the highest, i can have my light hanging about 5feet above ground level. And if i were to went with 5 gals i would of lost alot of that vertical space. So i'll see how 3gals do for me. This is my first ever attempt to grow a plant let alone marijuana so if i pull some smokable stuff i'll be happy :) even stoked about having trimmings to make hash/oils or what ever! gonna need your help on that. lol so heres so pics of me starting my transplant. I made holes around my new buckets(3gals) so that i can LST. hopefully i'll learn how to do that too :evil:View attachment 2565839View attachment 2565840View attachment 2565841View attachment 2565842View attachment 2565843
Oh and have you heard of that soil before? went to go get more ffof at my hydro store and my dude pointed me to this stuff. He said its basically ocean forest but with a little better drainage. Hopefully that wasnt a fuck up!
What I found when I pulled my plant that just finished, was she had roots slammed to the rim of the pot, but only about half the depth of the 5 gal., so I am going to go ahead and maybe use the cut off 5 gal. pot I have if I do an indoor over the summer.
 

Ghettobird209

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And there in the 3gals, and by the way Natro..... YOU WERE RIGHT!!!! The two big ones looked worse than your pics they where forshure "root bound" i was too scared to leave them outside a pot for too long to take a pic so i didnt get a pic of them (next grow iwill :) ) Still learning here so ty ty for the push i needed to transplant!! And the medium one was also starting to get root bound so it was a good thing i transplanted it as well!!!!!

Flowering here we come!!!!! What do you guys think atleast a week to allow them to recover from the transplant?
 

natro.hydro

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Looking good bro, kinda figured thats what it was with the funky top growth. I have never used root but thinking bout giving it a try next time in a side by side cuz my store also has it. Might try pro mix or sunshine #4 first though. Only negative thing I have read about roots is some ph inconsistencies and fungus gnats but seems like every soil company has this problem at one time or another.
One week should be good, thats what I give mine before I switch and I run fem seeds so they are way more genetically probable to be hermie from too much stress. All looks good in the grow now, keep it green.
Bak quick question since you brought up the 5s, do you use any myco amendments or anything like that? Cus I noticed the same thing, then I amended with some myco last time and could not even get my roots out of the 5 gal fabric pots and had to scrap them.... Kinda sucked, they are supposed to be reusable.
EDIT: One other thing about the roots organic soil is idk what kind of charge it has but you are prob gonna wanna resume your feeding schedule pretty soon, where as with OF I would have said to wait atleast a week.
Here to help till the end man, wanna see what a first timer can do with some gsc. Should be smooth sailing pretty much from here to harvest after that lil bit of training.
 

Ghettobird209

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Looking good bro, kinda figured thats what it was with the funky top growth. I have never used root but thinking bout giving it a try next time in a side by side cuz my store also has it. Might try pro mix or sunshine #4 first though. Only negative thing I have read about roots is some ph inconsistencies and fungus gnats but seems like every soil company has this problem at one time or another.
One week should be good, thats what I give mine before I switch and I run fem seeds so they are way more genetically probable to be hermie from too much stress. All looks good in the grow now, keep it green.
Bak quick question since you brought up the 5s, do you use any myco amendments or anything like that? Cus I noticed the same thing, then I amended with some myco last time and could not even get my roots out of the 5 gal fabric pots and had to scrap them.... Kinda sucked, they are supposed to be reusable.
EDIT: One other thing about the roots organic soil is idk what kind of charge it has but you are prob gonna wanna resume your feeding schedule pretty soon, where as with OF I would have said to wait atleast a week.
Here to help till the end man, wanna see what a first timer can do with some gsc. Should be smooth sailing pretty much from here to harvest after that lil bit of training.
Thanks bro yah i'll see how this Roots soil does so far they seem to be really enjoying it, honestly i dont think there shocked cuz there all already showing more growth. Im LST one of the big ones as when i got it it seemed they club was LST it as well and it was slightly bent, so it grew into that bent way, im straightening it out now as we speak.

UPDATE: Im thinking of adding some CFL's to my grow as side lights for the lower bud sights as i know LED's are known for not great light depth, only to be good for about 18-24Inches of light. I wanted to add some CFLs so that i can continue good growth and not have to worry about it getting tall and not getting enough light to the bottom. I threw in my desk lap that has two light spots next to the back side of the big big plant is that bad? they are 2700K spectrum ive read thats for flowering....? lol
 

Ghettobird209

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Or instead of having to buy 8 or so CFL bulbs and getting lamps and what not, get 2 like 150Watt HPS or hid or what ever the real bulb is called lol (MH?) Sorry kinda forgot havent looked at lights sense jan. and just use those 2 150 watts instead? or should i be fine with the LEDS idk i just dont want these bitches to stretch out thats all!!!
 
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