Ou8aCracker2's 3x3x6 400w vert barebulb donut.

Ou8aCracker2

Ou8aCracker2

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Excited to say that three of the five ladies will be getting the axe tonight...light goes out in about another hour and a half and comes back on in 12 hours @ 7:30 tonight so I'll be back tonight with some harvest photos and a day 65 flower update.The three to get the axe tonight are the Indica up front & center,the plant in the front left corner,and the plant in the back left corner...we're working clockwise here,I remember when I flipped I arranged the plants from most Indica to most sativa in order lol.

On to some pre-chop porn (starting with Indica & moving clockwise) shall we...












The plant in the front left corner







Plant in the back left corner







 
TsmokeTrain

TsmokeTrain

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Im more of a Sea Of Green guy but this is looking great!
what would the benefits be of growing vertical?
Peace
 
bass1014

bass1014

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oy cracker dude.. soi have read both post of the vert pro's n con's and this one and i do believe you may have changed me a lil bit, i sent a reply to the pro's post with a few idea's and or questions let me know what you think and or if this has or is being done in a diy sort of way??kinda figured you would be trimming at this hour so good luck and happy trimmin...
 
Ou8aCracker2

Ou8aCracker2

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So I chopped the Indica,plant in front left corner,and the plant in the back left corner tonight 10 minutes before lights on and now have them hanging whole to dry.Figure I'll do the usual and hang them whole for 3-5 days and then strip down to just branches for 2-3 days...from there depending on hoe dry or wet they still are they'll get stripped to buds and jarred or stripped to buds and left on screens until ready to jar.

Some hangin' pics...







 
Ou8aCracker2

Ou8aCracker2

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Well three got the axe tonight before lights on and all that is left in the tent is two plants,one in the back right corner and one in the front right corner...figure another 8-10 days on these two.The one in the front right corner has quite a bit of purple going on,nothing dark or black but definitely some hues of purple/lavender.The one in the back right corner has no purple but she smells oh so sugary sweet!

On to some porn...







Plant in front right corner


Plant in front right corner


Plant in back right corner


Plant in back right corner
 
Ou8aCracker2

Ou8aCracker2

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Almost forgot tonight was day 70...well I got myself up from bed rest (threw my back out the other day,had to go to the hospital for steroid shots and muscle relaxers) to take these pics,can't be missing an update now can we lol.The one in the front right has purpled up some more (though not fuly/truly purple) and has a slight fruity odor...still not ready yet though IMO...we'll see what happens in the next 5-7 days...hopefully no longer though.The plant in the back right corner is getting nice and yellow,smells sugary sweet,kind of an original flavor bubblegum scent..still not ready either so like the other plant,we'll see what happens in the next 5-7 days....on to some porn!
















 
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ross grew

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you seemed to get pretty good results. Was it pretty easy to manage keeping the plants back from the light? Did you like the results better than the sog? I've actually read your vert pros and cons and it was one of the most complete entries I've seen. Did you feel that this grow was a good balance or middle of the road compromise? It seems like some styles of Vert start to bring diminished returns. Are you going to do this again or trying something else? It seems practical and effective though. Cool Beans
 
Ou8aCracker2

Ou8aCracker2

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1) Wasn't hard to keep the plants back from the bulb.I started by tying each plant to a wall,then tying/bending/manipulating branches as they grew ckoser to the bulb.

2) I haven't done a vert-sog yet,and the last time I did a horizontal sog was years ago in a smaller space.

3) I can't comment yet,I have three plants drying,and two plants are still in the tent finishing up.I should have flipped a little earlier as some plants stretched to tall for the light spread of a 400w HPS (which is 3x3 maximum),one plant damn near even 4' with three others around 3"-6" shorter,and one short broad indica.Because it was a mix of random unkown genetics,and lack of proper training,I ended up with an uneven canopy.As with any grow (with dialed environment) mono-cropping (running cuts og the same size,from the same mom) will give best results.This is my first attempt at growing vertical so things aren't as dialed as they could be...but I found a keeper or two out of these bagseed plants and have cuts of all of them.Next run I'll be mono-cropping (nothing but clones of the same size from the same mom),and doing better training....All I can visualize is a flat 3x3 scrog but on a wall instead of the floor,and there's one 3x3 area per wall.

Eventually I will either stack 2x 400w HPS's in my 3x3x6 tent to take advantage of all the vertical space I can leaving no room for larf...one bulb for the bottom half of plants and one for the top half.Or I'll be getting either a 4x4 or 5x5 tent and doing a vertical sog octagon with racks,4shelves per rack with either 2-3x stacked 400w HPS's or 600w HPS's depending on square footage within the octagon.

But there is definitely going to be at least one to two more vert donuts for sure...just waiting to here back from a trusted old head back @ ICmag to give his thoughts on 2x stacked vertical bare bulb 400w HPS's in a 3x3x6 tent...if he says it's not a good idea then It will be another single vertical bare bulb but the height of the canopy will be kept 3' or slightly less but will take up the full 3' of horizontal space per wall.Might even upgrade to just 1x vertical bare bulb 600w HPS for optimal coverage of each 3x3 section of each wall.Not sure if I'll use a screen on the inside of the donut,but I might.

Hope that answers your questions bro...if not just keep firing away.
 
R

ross grew

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Yeah you do answer a good deal of my questions all in one go which is why I appreciate people like you. I was surprised to find out your the one that wrote the pros and cons article. That's the one I sit down with graph paper and use for a reference. But before I even started I knew about grow math, ie. things are different on the ground and that's why I was surprised to run into you. I'll ask a little more if its no bother. Like you said in your article you need a lot of clones to do the double stack octagon right? This is where I was wondering about diminished returns. All the space taken by the horde of mothers needed and the space needed for the clones to root and the risk of something going wrong and losing it all or things just getting unruly and such limited access to plants, this does put it on the outside of the curve. Is it something that can run away on you fast? I mean but if you went more moderate and cut down your work load by half and your risk by half and your ability to bounce back in a crisis by half but only lost 20 percent of your yield and didn't feel like pulling your hair out all the time, is that the road to go? Heath Robinson is awesome and all but that's what he does all day while the rest of us have to work for a living. haha. but on the more moderate side youre grow looked smart overall. I was wondering if there is a way to maximize light during early flower when they haven't yet filled the gaps. It seams like a lot of light is getting lost when doing the bigger/less plants until it all fills in. Do you think it would work to do your first week or two of flower with the light horizontal and pressed in tight until they get wide enough to fill those light gaps? I have two rooms and was wondering if it might be a good idea to veg horizontal and then put enough into flower to close the gaps. then when they bush out put them in the other room with the gaps closed down. or have two lights hung vertical but don't use the upper light right away. have twice the plant count on the lower tiers to cover the light gap wait til they fill in and then move them to the upper tier and turn on the upper light? Other than the light gap vertical just seems so rational. and you cant get those top to bottom colas from horizontal right? I just tried the aggressive defoliation on some plants trying to get to the bottom and growth has almost come to a standstill for about four days. Vertical definitely seems to make sense. Also, is there an advantage to bare bulb over cool tube in the vertical scenario besides maybe the bulky air duct getting in the way? or does that fan below fill the function of cool tube so well that it doesn't matter and you save the space? ok, I"ll leave you alone now but I might just mimic you for a while because I'm new and probably slightly below average intelligence. Paint by numbers might be the way to go for a while.
 
Ou8aCracker2

Ou8aCracker2

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Thanks man.I ended up harvesting 12 zips from that grow.

Next round I'll be monocropping with 4 clones of my heaviest bitch (the back left corner plant) and believe I can get a pound from my bare bulb 400w HPS...In FFOF!

Although I may give hempy buckets a go this next round.
 
G

Growingforpeace

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Ou8aCracker2 said:
1) Wasn't hard to keep the plants back from the bulb.I started by tying each plant to a wall,then tying/bending/manipulating branches as they grew ckoser to the bulb.

2) I haven't done a vert-sog yet,and the last time I did a horizontal sog was years ago in a smaller space.

3) I can't comment yet,I have three plants drying,and two plants are still in the tent finishing up.I should have flipped a little earlier as some plants stretched to tall for the light spread of a 400w HPS (which is 3x3 maximum),one plant damn near even 4' with three others around 3"-6" shorter,and one short broad indica.Because it was a mix of random unkown genetics,and lack of proper training,I ended up with an uneven canopy.As with any grow (with dialed environment) mono-cropping (running cuts og the same size,from the same mom) will give best results.This is my first attempt at growing vertical so things aren't as dialed as they could be...but I found a keeper or two out of these bagseed plants and have cuts of all of them.Next run I'll be mono-cropping (nothing but clones of the same size from the same mom),and doing better training....All I can visualize is a flat 3x3 scrog but on a wall instead of the floor,and there's one 3x3 area per wall.

Eventually I will either stack 2x 400w HPS's in my 3x3x6 tent to take advantage of all the vertical space I can leaving no room for larf...one bulb for the bottom half of plants and one for the top half.Or I'll be getting either a 4x4 or 5x5 tent and doing a vertical sog octagon with racks,4shelves per rack with either 2-3x stacked 400w HPS's or 600w HPS's depending on square footage within the octagon.

But there is definitely going to be at least one to two more vert donuts for sure...just waiting to here back from a trusted old head back @ ICmag to give his thoughts on 2x stacked vertical bare bulb 400w HPS's in a 3x3x6 tent...if he says it's not a good idea then It will be another single vertical bare bulb but the height of the canopy will be kept 3' or slightly less but will take up the full 3' of horizontal space per wall.Might even upgrade to just 1x vertical bare bulb 600w HPS for optimal coverage of each 3x3 section of each wall.Not sure if I'll use a screen on the inside of the donut,but I might.

Hope that answers your questions bro...if not just keep firing away.
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If you stacked bulbs would you expect double the yield?
 
Ammastor

Ammastor

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Ya know I have never thought of growing vertically but have herd of it.

Seems like a fun and more productive way to grow as long as everything is set up right. Makes sense that instead of having just flow space you use the walls to create 3 walled floor spaces. This is interesting. I may start my next grow using a vertical set up. I like the results and the idea of how the light spreads to the plants. Tipical horizontal grows only hit the top half of a plant and you always lose penetration to the lower levels of the plant. Would make sense to want to get the light to all levels of the plants.

Do your plants have to be rotated and such so al sides of the plant get light from time to time or do you just leave the plants so they get the light they get?

Any good how tos on vertical that you know of. Ill take a look in the vertical growing section. I love this way of growing and it all makes sense.
 
Ou8aCracker2

Ou8aCracker2

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No I never rotated the plants.Most vert vets will tell you it is counter productive.I just take any back branches and bend/manipulate them to the front of the plant.

Think of a flat scrog...apply same principles of training,but vertically instead of horizontaly.

Anything you can't get the the front to receive direct lighting should be hacked off.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Im curious you have mentioned an indica plant but all your pictures show no plants that show not one trait of any kind of indica. All shown plants are heavy almoist 100% sativa in their characteristics. The leaves clearly show sativa. The node spaces all indicate sativa backgrounds. What gives you the thought any of these sativa heavies have any indica in them?
 
Ou8aCracker2

Ou8aCracker2

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So before I start...I kept clones of my keeper mom (they were all keepers,but this was my favorite).I started them off as cuttings and rooted in rapid rooter plugs,once rooted I placed in 2 liter Coco Hempys using bricks of GH Cocotek and was feeding 6ml/9ml Floramicro/Florabloom per gallon of water.All went well and then I ran into some serious problems.I transplanted to 3 gallon Coco Hempys with GH Cocotek and the problems continued.Figured out my pH was too high @ 6.5 and tgat the GH Cocotek.bricks were very hot so corrected with pH between 5.5 and 6.0 and 1/4 strength nute solution flushes and they started to bounce back.


Since having the issues with bricked coir,I found out my local hydro shop does a "Pepsi Challenge" where they give you free samples of Canna Coco (pre hydrated/rinsed and pre buffered/charged with Ca/Mg) and Coco A and B,so I took.seven cuts from the mom and rooted them in rapid rooter plugs under a humidity dome and once rooted I placed them in small pots of the Canna Coco and began feeding with 2ml each per gallon of water Coco A and B.

Now...

Watered/fed the three big ladies in 3 gallon GH Cocotek Coco hempys with 2ml each Coco A and B per gallon of water which gives me an EC of about 1.6/1.7 since my tap comes out @ .6/.7 EC

Trimmed the tops off and removed the reflector to go bare bulb vertical once again.Will be giving them a day or two and switching to 12/12.Hopefully temps get and stay a little cool at night because it's 72°ambient temp in the Apt. tonight.





Last two clones finally rooted out of their rapid rooter plugs and I transplanted them to some Canna Coco and fed with 2ml per gallon of water each Coco A and B pH'd between 5.5 and 6.0





The mom in FFOF
 
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