Experienced Electrician! Here to Answer Any and All Growroom Electrical Questions

Jimdamick

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Yup, temps will definitely be up.. hope you plan to run the lights at night and have another form of cooling in mind depending on your location on this earth.
Figong, you are way past the amps to cook your wiring. Just the flower room alone draws 33 amps which is a LOT. You need at least 2- 20 amp circuits to run your large room, and 1-15 amp circuit for your small area. What you are doing is dangerous and DON'T run 4000 watts on 1 circuit. I would run half of the lights and go make friends with an electrician quickly. Be safe and have fun.
 

Figong

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Figong, you are way past the amps to cook your wiring. Just the flower room alone draws 33 amps which is a LOT. You need at least 2- 20 amp circuits to run your large room, and 1-15 amp circuit for your small area. What you are doing is dangerous and DON'T run 4000 watts on 1 circuit. I would run half of the lights and go make friends with an electrician quickly. Be safe and have fun.
I believe you missed that I was commenting on theirs, that's not my setup and if it were mine, I'd run 3 independent lines (2 120s, and a 240) direct from the box with GFCI all the way around, as well as have multiple interrupts that are more 'tight' in terms of what amperage was allowed should I ever try to bring that amount of wattage into a single room at any given point. As an aside, I have over 20 years background in electronics.. but I do appreciate your concern - thanks for keeping an eye out for others. :)
 

legaleyes13

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Thanks guys... I appreciate the concern, but I never intended to run 4000 watts on one regular circuit... I was gonna run the 4000watts on a light controller plugged into a 240v 30A dryer outlet, and run about 550 watts (veg lights) on the continuous 120v outlets that come with the light controller. Are you saying that this is a bad idea? I was then gonna run a 1300 watts (ac/dehum/co2) connected to a environmental controller, plugged into an ordinary 120v 15A outlet... tell me where I'm going wrong here, if I am... Thanks again...
 

supchaka

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Electrically the math seems fine, I think it was stemming from my comment that it might be hard to cool a 4k watt grow with a 5k btu ac unit. It's not that it might not be able to do it but a bigger unit would do it more efficiently and save money in the long run.
 

Figong

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Electrically the math seems fine, I think it was stemming from my comment that it might be hard to cool a 4k watt grow with a 5k btu ac unit. It's not that it might not be able to do it but a bigger unit would do it more efficiently and save money in the long run.
Agreed on this, to me the math worked but was also wondering how sane it'd be with the controller in the big picture.
 

wheels619

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Electrically the math seems fine, I think it was stemming from my comment that it might be hard to cool a 4k watt grow with a 5k btu ac unit. It's not that it might not be able to do it but a bigger unit would do it more efficiently and save money in the long run.
im in cali right now with 3 lights running passive inside a 10x10 tent. my temps stay around 85 on hottest days. i think he could pull it off with just the 5k. problem being its going to be running all the time instead of taking breaks in between saving power.
 

oakley1984

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Calculating Heat Load:
Heat is measured in either BTU or Kilowatts. 1KW is equivalent to 3500BTUs.
The heat load depends on a number of factor's

1.The floor area of the room
2.The heat generated by equipment
3 the heat from lighting
4.The number of room occupants
5.The ambient temp (your room's starting temp)

1.Floor Area of Room

Room Area BTU = L x W x 40 ( H = 8foot + 5btu per foot after that)

If you have a wall that is facing the sun add in for the extra heat

Sun facing wall BTU = L x H x 40

2.Equipment
This is trickier to calculate than you might think. The wattage on equipment is the maximum power consumption rating, the actual power consumed may be less. However it is safer to overestimate the wattage than underestimate it.

Equipment BTU = Total wattage for equipment x 3.5

Ballast in room BTU = ballast wattage/2 x 3.5

3.Lighting

Lighting BTU = Total wattage for all lighting x 4

Air cooled hood BTU = wattage x 4 / 2
@
400= 200-250 cfm
600= 250-300 cfm
1k = 300-350 cfm
^ is just a guide cfm per hood will be on your ducting/SP....

4.Occupants
even being that im only there for 2 or so of the 12 hrs i like it to be able to handle the extra sweat when i smoke one.

Total Occupant BTU = Number of occupants x 400

Total Cooling Required

Add all the BTUs together.

Total Heat Load = Room Area BTU + Total Occupant BTU + Equipment BTU + Lighting BTU

If your using a portable a/c:

Total Heat Load BTU x 2

^this has been from threads if you are planning on getting one i think one that's bigger then you thought about



sample

so if we have a 3 x 3 room with 1k and 200 watt's in fan's/pump's

for room we need 360 btu
for fan we need 700 btu
1k = 4000btu
ballast in the room = 1500 btu

we would need a/c that is 6560 btu i would round up to the next size 7kbtu


air exchange
aka intake/exhaust
complete air exchange every 4-5 minutes is average for a grow room/greenhouse (co2 control)....
for heat control (no a/c) i like to use 2.5 minutes {1M is best imo}
m=air exchange in min's

l x w x h = cf / m = cfm

lets use are room from above as a sample
3 x 3 x 8 = 72 /2.5 = 28.8 (30)
highend turn over = 72cfm
lowend turn over = 30cfm
now for the light 1k = 300-350cfm

exhaust system and air-cooled hood should be separated but most ppl cant/dont ( it's spendy) so add them together if your using 1 fan for both

the fan size we need is 330-422 remember you have duct loss (SP) in the sample room i would use a 440 cfm fan

SEER & EER ratings NO they are not the same.....

EER, or the Energy Efficient Ratio, is a measure of how efficiently a cooling system will operate when the outdoor temperature is at a specific level - usually 95°F. EER is calculated as a simple ratio of BTU's to the amount of power a unit consumes in watts. Here is an example using an air conditioner with 12,000 BTU's and consuming 1500 watts of power:

EER = BTU's / Watts

12,000 / 1500 = 8

EER = 8


While it is true that the higher the EER and BTU's, the more efficient the cooling system, many make the mistake of purchasing oversized air conditioners and ignoring EER ratings. The following is an example of an air conditioner with 12,000 BTU's and 1200 watts:

12,000 / 1200 = 10

EER =10

This would mean that this second unit can produce the same amount of cooling but more energy efficiently. Therefore, to save money on your monthly electric bill, choose a cooling system by getting an appropriately sized unit with a high EER.

I'm not taking credit for all this info.

Heh.

stop being idiots and guessing... oh that sounds right!
doesnt seem proper
blah
blah
blah.


dumbasses.
 

wheels619

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I'm not taking credit for all this info.

Heh.

stop being idiots and guessing... oh that sounds right!
doesnt seem proper
blah
blah
blah.

dumbasses.
and you can still with all kindness go and fuck yourself... :) say something yes comment away but their is no reason to be an asshole about anything said in these threads.
 

legaleyes13

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I would go with a higher BTU a/c but like I said, the environmental controller can only handle 15amps and I'm already pushing the limit with the 5000 BTUs... and on top of that, I'm a little paranoid about extra electricity (not so much now that you guys say I'll actually be saving electricity because the a/c wouldn't run as often)
 

vangs

Member
you got it, but you are taking a huge risk connecting your ballast to a 40 amp breaker, you need a 2 pole 20 amp to be safe.
im doing the same thing and had 1 question, before changing the amps and changing the hot wires, how do i disconnect the power to where im safe to run the new amps and outlets?
 

Figong

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im doing the same thing and had 1 question, before changing the amps and changing the hot wires, how do i disconnect the power to where im safe to run the new amps and outlets?
As long as you don't have a dedicated circuit alongside your main, your main should kill all power to the place... if dedicated circuit, you can/will find hot, and I do mean -hot- wires as most secondary circuits are dedicated to air conditioning. Would highly recommend something to test -everything- in the box before hand goes in.. make sure you're wearing thick sole rubber shoes.. and -ONE HAND- in the box at a time....if there's hot, you do not want to complete a circuit with 2 hands - especially if it's a 240 with that amount of current - it's more than capable of inducing heart attack, or cutting limbs right off of you. What I shared isn't to scare you, it's to keep you safe should you wish to undertake this project.
 

bimple

Active Member
I am growing in a closet that already has an electric outlet, and I was wondering if a 600 watt grow light, an inline phatfilter, an intake fan and 2 small wall mount fans would be ok one an average household 2 plug outlet assuming that I make sure nothing else is plugged in to the same circuit?
 

Figong

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I am growing in a closet that already has an electric outlet, and I was wondering if a 600 watt grow light, an inline phatfilter, an intake fan and 2 small wall mount fans would be ok one an average household 2 plug outlet assuming that I make sure nothing else is plugged in to the same circuit?
That would depend on the Amperage rating.. as the average household circuit in my place is 30A, with 4 being 50A or higher - you'd have to check and see what the rating is at the circuit breaker for us to safely/accurately answer that.
 

supchaka

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I am growing in a closet that already has an electric outlet, and I was wondering if a 600 watt grow light, an inline phatfilter, an intake fan and 2 small wall mount fans would be ok one an average household 2 plug outlet assuming that I make sure nothing else is plugged in to the same circuit?
My house was built 8 years ago and has 15 amp circuits.
 

roidrage152

Active Member
I am growing in a closet that already has an electric outlet, and I was wondering if a 600 watt grow light, an inline phatfilter, an intake fan and 2 small wall mount fans would be ok one an average household 2 plug outlet assuming that I make sure nothing else is plugged in to the same circuit?
If you are confident nothing else is sharing that circuit, what you have is well within acceptable range. The 600w light will pull 5-6 amps, i believe my 8" intake fans were listed at like 2-3 amps, and amperage on smaller fans is negligible, even at an amp a piece still under 11 amps total.
 

legaleyes13

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Hey guys... I've posted on this thread a few times and with all of your help, I'm now ready to purchase the light controller that will get this new grow started... this is the one I have my eye on http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/powerbox-plugplay-7500w-light-control-240v-120v-outlets-p-2807.html but I just want to make a 100% sure that it will hook up to my dryer outlet without any problems, so if any of you experts can give it a look and let me know, I'd really appreciate it... Thanks
 

wheels619

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Hey guys... I've posted on this thread a few times and with all of your help, I'm now ready to purchase the light controller that will get this new grow started... this is the one I have my eye on http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/powerbox-plugplay-7500w-light-control-240v-120v-outlets-p-2807.html but I just want to make a 100% sure that it will hook up to my dryer outlet without any problems, so if any of you experts can give it a look and let me know, I'd really appreciate it... Thanks
in all honesty it should. its rated for 30 amps and 7500 watts. if the plugs dont match up you may have to visit home depot and spend 10 bucks on a replacement plug end that you need. but id contact the company or the people your are ordering it from to confirm that it comes with the right plug. no point ending up with a 30 amp plug that doesnt match your wall outlet. i was going to get this exact model actually. decided against it due to lack of knowledge of the product. i decided not to risk it last time and got a lighting controller that was guaranteed to work off the bat. but i will end up getting one in the near future anyways. another op. :)
 

legaleyes13

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in all honesty it should. its rated for 30 amps and 7500 watts. if the plugs dont match up you may have to visit home depot and spend 10 bucks on a replacement plug end that you need. but id contact the company or the people your are ordering it from to confirm that it comes with the right plug. no point ending up with a 30 amp plug that doesnt match your wall outlet. i was going to get this exact model actually. decided against it due to lack of knowledge of the product. i decided not to risk it last time and got a lighting controller that was guaranteed to work off the bat. but i will end up getting one in the near future anyways. another op. :)
Thanks brotha... I'm happy to hear that. If the worst that can happen is that I have to take a trip to Home Depot then I'll go ahead and grab it. Which one did you settle on?
 

wheels619

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Thanks brotha... I'm happy to hear that. If the worst that can happen is that I have to take a trip to Home Depot then I'll go ahead and grab it. Which one did you settle on?
http://www.titancontrols.net/products/lighting/helios-4.aspx this is the one i got. decided to get it becuz i didnt have to change the ballast power cords. it has universal outlets on it so that you can power your ballasts with the 110v cable on short runs. if your ballasts were placed farther say out of the room or 15+ ft away or so id go with the thicker 220v power cords. but such a short run say 6 ft or so at 5 amps for me isnt much of a problem. if you get a controller with only 220 outlets u will need to buy 220 power cords for eaach of your ballasts. they cost about 10-15 bucks each at your local hydro store.
 

Tripped circuits

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a simple rule with electric to find amperage would be for example. A 600 watt light, wired 120v would be 600/120 = 5 amps. The same light at 240v would be 600/240= 2.5 amps. You could run 15 amps on a 15 amp circuit without blowing the circuit, but you could be overheating the wire and potentially cause a fire. Always assume a 1.25 safety factor. so a 600w light at 120 volt would be 6.25 amps [(600/120)x1.25] with the safety factor. The biggest fear with electricity is not electrocution, but fire. On top of that, most people are not well equipped to deal with a fire, I recommend a fire extinguisher with an ABC rating. Be safe not sorry.

just my two cents
 
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