I have some less than healthy clones in rapid rooters that I have just been giving water and recently liquid karma (1.25ml/litre) for 2 and a half weeks now. I'm about to transplant them into promix hp-cc with added castings and perlite. All rooted pretty well but the clones look pretty bad, small with a lot of yellow and crispy leaves. Some have minimal green growth left, I believe this is because the clones were taken from underfed mothers and/or keeping the rooters too wet initially. When I transplant into 6" pots should I start the pure blend pro nute schedule immediately at transplant? or just start them with liquid karma and aquashield to ease them in due to their condition? I really want to give them a proper start. Any help is much appreciated!
Any advice about feeding clones when tranplanting in promix..??
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slightlytoasted
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Pics man..or our help will be super limited.
But it sounds like the girls are hungry.
Foliar feed with N imo.
But it sounds like the girls are hungry.
Foliar feed with N imo.
Hope these help! The clones started out under 2foot 2bulb' t5's with heat mat and a couple days ago I moved them under 4ft 6 bulb t5's about 24" away. Temps are 24-26 degrees celcius and rh is about 55%. I figured i'd keep them under the bigger light for a few days before i transplant and put them under the 1000w in the flower room. I just increased Liquid Karma to 2.5ml/litre as well. Should I do a foliar with kelp at this point? I have organicare seaplex.
AZPsyclops
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You need to plant those poor things and start feeding right away.
How long have you had roots on them?
When you see roots grow through your medium, it's time to plant.
As was guessed before, they need food and it looks like they are starving to me.
Plant them and give a light feeding and see if you can bring them back to health.
Good Luck.
Edit: The yellowing is caused by the plant sucking the nutrients it needs to survive out of its leaves. IMO you don't have much more time.
How long have you had roots on them?
When you see roots grow through your medium, it's time to plant.
As was guessed before, they need food and it looks like they are starving to me.
Plant them and give a light feeding and see if you can bring them back to health.
Good Luck.
Edit: The yellowing is caused by the plant sucking the nutrients it needs to survive out of its leaves. IMO you don't have much more time.
I'd say I started seeing roots at about day 10. In this tray there are 3 strains, I was waiting for a slower strain to root before transplanting basically. I will transplant asap and feed even though on that strain there are few roots poking out so far. I think I was spraying them too much initially and that aided in washing out any nitrogen they did have. I was hoping the liquid karma was enough to perk them up but no luck, should've upped my dose of it maybe.
slightlytoasted
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Yo man the liquid Karma website said to feed at 15ml/liter or 3-4 tbs/gal.
you need way more food. Plant them in promix, feed them karma, and foliar. I would honestly do all 3
15-20 ml/4 liters of water (3-4 tsp. per gallon) is what the website indicates. I was starting at low dosage of 5ml/gal beacuse i usually use straight water on clones and they come out fine, but with these shitty looking clones I thought a low doasge of lk wouldn't hurt. When I transplant this is what i'm thinking of feeding:
Per 1 gallon of RO water i will add:
Pure Blend Pro Grow 4ml/gal
Pure Blend Bloom Soil 1.5 ml/gal (to promote rooting)
CalMag 3ml/gal
Liquid Karma 6ml/gal
Aquashield 7.5ml/gal
Hygrozyme 2.5ml/gal
Does this look overkill? All are pretty low doses. I would up the grow and calmag at next watering if they start to improve.
slightlytoasted
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The only thing i see that strikes me as frivolous is the Pure Blend Bloom. I dont think that it will necessarily promote root growth.
I also use aquashield, and its great, but i use it as a foliar, because you can feed when the lights are on and you use less per feeding (lasts longer).
If you have the funds and are looking for something that will kick start your roots, try Roots Excelurator by House&Garden
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=152361 <-- I am going to try to follow this guys nute schedule for pure blend pro. Thats where i got the idea of Pure Blend Bloom to promote rooting. A few other people have suggested to not give them any nutes till a few days a after transplant so i'm kinda tossed up on what to do now. I just know there is not much in promix so i thought some nutrients at transplant would benefit overly hungry clones. I'd heard great things about Roots Excelurator. Super pricey though.
slightlytoasted
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Everyone has advice based on what they know works for them. Personally what i do for clones is start them in a dome (1" rockwool) with tap water. Approx 3-4 days after they show roots i plant them in the medium and start feeding them 1/4 strength veg feed (approx 250-500ppm) for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks, i feed them only 1/2 strength (700-800ppm) veg til they go into flower.
They dont really need a whole lot in veg, but they do move fast. What i've found is best, is to find something simple and keep it consistent.
As far as feeding during transplant; its up to you. But watering after transplant will help the roots settle into their new home. So whether you decide to add nutes to that initial water is up to you. I think the reason most ppl wait to add nutes when transplanting into a new type of soil, is to make sure that the Soil+Nutes combo wont be too hot for the young girls. however, from what i know about promix, i dont think it is very "hot." that combined with the fact that your plants look really hungry, i would probably transplant and water with (out of your list) Pure Blend Grow, Liquid Karma, Hygrozyme; and foliar feed (at night) full strength with aquashield. Also i would probably water with 1/2 strength of the max concentration recommended on each bottle.
Out of everything you listed, I actually think that hygrozyme will be the most beneficial for your roots. I believe Cal/Mag should only be used if you need it (your plants arent showing signs of mag deficiency). And the less nutes you use per feeding is less money spent in the long run (so i wouldnt feed bloom til bloom).
Just my 2cents. hope it helps
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zack66
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I start mine in solo cups with straight pro mix. They take about 10 days to root. Around 10-14 days later I transplant to 1 gl pots that have a mild mix of pro mix and worm castings only. I water during transplant then wait till they dry up a bit then, I hit them with a mild organic tea. Then straight water for a week. By then they are ready for transplant into 5-7 gl buckets with my own semi- hot super soil. When transplanting I use 2-3 in. of the mild blend to buffer the roots before hitting the good shit. Once again, I water during transplant then hit them with another organic tea to get things hopping. Then feed normal nute schedule. Hope this helps. Here's a pic of my current purple kush 8 weeks in veg 7 gl pots.