Looking for best combination of Yield & Potency.

Redeye Bri

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No clone-only strains please. Need it available in seed form.

One of my buddies loves the instant knock-out affect, and I want a good yielder to make it worthwile. I grow Skywalker Kush and it's the closest, but we're looking for something new.

I was looking at Extrema from Sannie, but it is sold out.

Any recommendations? Cheers.
 

SeeRockCity

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Sea of Seeds has Skywalker OG Kush....

White OG Kush is a freebie they give out too...may be fun to try.

I just sprouted a White Widow x Big Bud... also looking for the high yield w/ good potency...
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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blue cheese from big buddah seeds was a good knock out high and a reasonably decent yeilder.

also i dont have experience growing it (yet i have some beans) but trainwreck from hubolt seeds seems to be a heavy yeilder. i ordered a 3 pack of them and will be trying em out shortly.
 

Jogro

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Williams Wonder is a heavy yielder for sure, and fairly potent too, though at 20% THC (+ other cannabinoids) probably not *quite* as potent as the best of the CA "OG" kushes.

Here is a plant grown from ceed under 1/2 of a 250W HPS; see the report in my sig for more details. For scale, the plant is about 27" tall and in a 3 gallon bucket.

 

Jogro

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FWIW cannabinoid numbers for Williams wonder are here. Its up to you to decide if this is "potent enough" for you:




Some harvest and bud shots.


 

M Dogg

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Williams Wonder is a heavy yielder for sure, and fairly potent too, though at 20% THC (+ other cannabinoids) probably not *quite* as potent as the best of the CA "OG" kushes.

Here is a plant grown from ceed under 1/2 of a 250W HPS; see the report in my sig for more details. For scale, the plant is about 27" tall and in a 3 gallon bucket.

That's a beautiful lady Jogro! Can't wait to get my WW cloned and try some outdoors this summer, they will be beasts!
 

Redeye Bri

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Williams Wonder is a heavy yielder for sure, and fairly potent too, though at 20% THC (+ other cannabinoids) probably not *quite* as potent as the best of the CA "OG" kushes.

Here is a plant grown from ceed under 1/2 of a 250W HPS; see the report in my sig for more details. For scale, the plant is about 27" tall and in a 3 gallon bucket.
That looks great Jogro. I clicked your grow journal and saw your soil mix (nice!) and was wondering what nutes you used and how often. Did you just let the extended release do their thing, or add additional? Cheers!
 

jimdandy

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Jogro your plant rocks. I use a 250 myself and have had some good results since I learned how to train and be patient. As far as potency and yield. I grew a kandy Kush under my 250 in a 3.5 gallon pot. Did just a little LST and yielded 4+ oz's of some serious potent weed. I plan on scrogging my last Kandy Kush seed. Im sure I can hit 6-8 oz's with her. The few people I did share with are still talking about it 2 years later.
 

Jogro

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That looks great Jogro. I clicked your grow journal and saw your soil mix (nice!) and was wondering what nutes you used and how often. Did you just let the extended release do their thing, or add additional? Cheers!
Thank you.

Nutes for this grow were what was already in the soil (which is some extended release nutes plus whatever organic material was in there). Early in flowering I added a shot of epsom salts for extra magnesium, and did so again about 4 weeks in. Lastly, I also added a few sticks of the Miracle grow "spikes" potted plant food right after the first week of flowering, and one shot of soluble Miracle Gro about 5 weeks in, with a flush the last week. That's pretty much it. To be clear, I'm talking about these things:

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On the Miracle Gro spikes, I deliberately didn't mention these in my thread because I didn't want the usual chorus of shrieking nannies clucking about how Miracle-Gro sucks, and how I'm ruining my plants with it, etc.

As you can see, empirically, the spikes work just fine. . .so long as you use the product in limited amounts, are careful about not over or under-watering, and flush thoroughly at the end of your grow (all of which I did). As it happens, I used these mainly because I had them lying around, and I knew from prior experience that they'd work pretty well. Also, with slow-release nutes already in the soil, I knew nutes really probably wouldn't be a limiting factor at all until maybe the very end of the grow.

I'm not in any way claiming that this are the "best" fertilizer around, and for sure there are better formulations out there designed for cannabis with more appropriate trace element content and better ratios. But ultimately it all comes down to meeting the plant's needs in terms of providing appropriate NPK and trace elements, and meeting YOUR needs with respect to cost, access, and convenience.

If you disregard the hysterical shrieking (mostly by those who haven't used it or don't understand what's going on) and actually check the label, this is a complete fertilizer product with good trace element content and a flowering-friendly 6-12-6 NPK ratio. Bluntly, you could do a lot worse. In this case, incremental cost to me was zero (since I already had the product handy) and I saw zero issues with nutes during the grow. So I'd say this worked fine.

Jogro your plant rocks. I use a 250 myself and have had some good results since I learned how to train and be patient. As far as potency and yield. I grew a kandy Kush under my 250 in a 3.5 gallon pot. Did just a little LST and yielded 4+ oz's of some serious potent weed. I plan on scrogging my last Kandy Kush seed. Im sure I can hit 6-8 oz's with her. The few people I did share with are still talking about it 2 years later.
Thank you.

8 ounces out of a 250W HPS is fairly tough with most strains.

To be clear, final yield on this plant was about 2.25 ounces dried and absolutely trimmed to the bone. That's not much in absolute terms, but again it was only a 27" plant grown under half of the 250W HPS. The only things I did in terms of yield/training was top the plant once, spread out the tops a little by bending (ie "supercropping") to let more light in, and prune off the lowest branches right before flowering. After that there was negligible maintenance other than watering. My overall setup also sacrifices some efficiency for stealth, so I'm not quite using the full potential of the light, either.

Despite all that, I think the picture basically tells the tale of what you can expect with this strain in terms of plant/bud structure and potential yield. Williams' Wonder used to be known as a "cash-cropper" strain of high potency, and I think its easy to see why. . .this is just a high yielding strain.

I'm sure a good grower with a high efficiency setup and proper training/organizing should be able to reach the benchmark 1g/w that everyone talks about with this line.
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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just remember what a good yeilder for one person may not be so much for the next, same with the high. really the best advice would be to go pheno hunting. take the suggestions here and when you buy your beans buy 5 packs and plant them all. pick the best one and go from there. i have seen fiorst hand how much different the same strain can be
 

Jogro

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just remember what a good yeilder for one person may not be so much for the next, same with the high. really the best advice would be to go pheno hunting. take the suggestions here and when you buy your beans buy 5 packs and plant them all. pick the best one and go from there. i have seen fiorst hand how much different the same strain can be
Well, the limiting factor in yield and potency is really the genetics. No matter how good the grower or conditions, poor genetics will yield poorly and/or give low potency. So I think the question presumes that the grower is going to do their part and optimize the performance of the strain in question.

On variability, this depends on what you're buying. If you're getting a good inbred line, plant to plant variability should be pretty low. EG, the Williams Wonders I've grown now not only have looked like each other, but also exactly like the breeders pictures. This should also be true of most of the famous inbred lines.

On pheno hunting, obviously you can find a gem that way, but I think the point of a question like this is so that the OP doesn't have to grow out 40-50 plants to find a good one. That's simply not practical for many growers.

Going back to the original question, two of the best cash cropping strains in the west coast medical scene are Blue Dream and Green Crack, and there are reasons why they're so common and popular there. Both are easy to grow, tasty, potent, and relatively high yielding. Yes, both are "clone only" but despite that its still probably easier to source a clone of either or both than have to spend months pheno-hunting through 50 plants, sexing them, testing them, cloning them, etc.
 

Jogro

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Not everyone can get clones. From seed ONLY
I "get" that the question was about seeds, and also that clones are not readily available in most of the USA right now.

But despite that, I don't believe its "impossible" for most people to get them, if they really want to.

Consider that right now in Colorado, clones are perfectly legal for anyone to buy or own, and top notch "clone only" strain are not only readily available, but are fairly inexpensive at about $20 or less per cut. You can buy Green Crack, Blue Dream, a variety of CA kushes (including "Girl Scout Cookies"), and any number of well-known and less known others for just a few bucks, no ID or even medical card required. You'll probably have to do some legwork before you go there to identify the best sources of clones, but you could do that from your home.

Meanwhile, round trip flights to Denver CO are available from most of the country for $500 or less. If you're in or near a major metro area, (eg Boston or Atlanta) round trip flights to Denver can be had for under $250. And of course you can always drive there. It about a 15 hour drive from Chicago, for example. Once there you can even sample the actual product LEGALLY if you like, too.

If you're really serious about "cash cropping", then I don't think dropping a few hundred bucks to source a variety of good clone only strains should be a big deal. If you're reluctant to carry them back on your person, you can always have them shipped back to you via private carrier, or even US postal mail.

Compared to say, a "pheno hunt" involving spending $400 on 5 packs of ceeds; waiting 2 weeks for them to clear customs and arrive from Europe; then spending 12(+) more weeks germinating them, sexing them, and doing the selection; plus additional dollar cost in energy, nutes, and the dollar value of your time, plus opportunity cost in growing "tester" strains of questionable quality while you could be growing something more profitable in that time; you'll probably save time AND money just picking up good clones in person to start with.

Further, you don't even necessarily have to get them in person. People have been trading clones across the USA for a long time. If you develop the right connections, I think its quite possible to find someone willing to send you clones for money, trade, or even for free.

Edit: Silly me. . .I was thinking this was in reference to a "cash cropping" question. No, it probably doesn't make sense to fly out to another State just to get clones for a small personal grow, so you can disregard this suggestion. (But hey, if you're planning a vacation, or are close enough to CO to do a road trip. . .why not?).

Back on the original question, the issue is that the most potent strains typically aren't good yielders, and the highest yielding strains typically aren't all that potent. I mentioned Williams Wonder as one with high yield and good potency. C99 is another one known for that, though you'll have to do some homework to find out who has the best version from ceed. AK-47 and Chronic are also both known for good potency and yield. I think Mr. Nice White Rhino is probably another good choice.

If you're considering Sannies, I'd say don't overlook his Jack. The flower time is relatively long, but you should end up with good overall quality.

 

calicat

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No clone-only strains please. Need it available in seed form.

One of my buddies loves the instant knock-out affect, and I want a good yielder to make it worthwile. I grow Skywalker Kush and it's the closest, but we're looking for something new.

I was looking at Extrema from Sannie, but it is sold out.

Any recommendations? Cheers.
I just got done with Extrema. Small yielder but damn some awesome smoke. If your really interested in Sannie's for a potent yielder try getting sugar punch ( still sold out though). I am going to flip some Kolossus' in several weeks and I heard that is a potent smoke too and yields alot they have both regular and feminized versions. Another one from Sannie's still havent grown yet but have smoked is Anesthesia.
 

goodro wilson

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I "get" that the question was about seeds, and also that clones are not readily available in most of the USA right now.

But despite that, I don't believe its "impossible" for most people to get them, if they really want to.

Consider that right now in Colorado, clones are perfectly legal for anyone to buy or own, and top notch "clone only" strain are not only readily available, but are fairly inexpensive at about $20 or less per cut. You can buy Green Crack, Blue Dream, a variety of CA kushes (including "Girl Scout Cookies"),

Edit: Silly me. . .I was thinking this was in reference to a "cash cropping" question. No, it probably doesn't make sense to fly out to another State just to get clones for a small personal grow, so you can disregard this suggestion. (But hey, if you're planning a vacation, or are close enough to CO to do a road trip. . .why not?).

Back on the original question, the issue is that the most potent strains typically aren't good yielders, and the highest yielding strains typically aren't all that potent. I mentioned Williams Wonder as one with high yield and good potency. C99 is another one known for that, though you'll have to do some homework to find out who has the best version from ceed. AK-47 and Chronic are also both known for good potency and yield. I think Mr. Nice White Rhino is probably another good choice.

If you're considering Sannies, I'd say don't overlook his Jack. The flower time is relatively long, but you should end up with good overall quality.

Actually yeah I'm not I to cashcropping but only wanna run one plant maybe two strains and clone perpetually but I actually think that it would be worth the trip to get a legit cut of a variety u really like and not have to pheno hunt buy seeds etc that u mentioned
At least worth it for me I live in tx so a drive is doable
Just a matter of having the connections and I know nobody in co. Or if I can actually buy them myself with no card I guess I wouldn't need anyone just find a source for good clones.. I have kind of thought about it before but u really helped me wen u broke down the numbers bc I know it would take about 200 in seeds to find something special I think but also would take about 4 months when I could actually just make a weekend of it gas money and like u said clones r cheap.. Anyways ur right I just kinda took it personal c I get pissed there's no clone market in my area even tho there are lots of growers it's simply not legal here and Im Jealous... And the first sentence was not clones.. anyways I'm seriously considering moving bc I know I can get a card for PTSD and think it will help me be happier in life anyways tmi I know I'd go with ak47 chronic black widow or medicine man for sure fire yield and keeping potency even though they are old school seems like most new dank strains are low yielders
 

Redeye Bri

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I just got done with Extrema. Small yielder but damn some awesome smoke. If your really interested in Sannie's for a potent yielder try getting sugar punch ( still sold out though). I am going to flip some Kolossus' in several weeks and I heard that is a potent smoke too and yields alot they have both regular and feminized versions. Another one from Sannie's still havent grown yet but have smoked is Anesthesia.
Good info. Yeah, the Sugar Punch has been on my wishlist for some time now. Hopefully it will be back in stock soon. There is a ton of stuff I want to try from Sannie. Thanks for the help.
 

Jogro

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I actually think that it would be worth the trip to get a legit cut of a variety u really like and not have to pheno hunt buy seeds etc that u mentioned
At least worth it for me I live in tx so a drive is doable
Well, only you can decide what's worth it for you, but the point is legalization in CO has changed the rules of the game, so to speak.

Just a matter of having the connections and I know nobody in co.
Don't really think you need to.

I can't speak to their quality, but clones are so prevalent there, they are actually listed for sale on Craig's list. You could check the listings in Denver, Boulder, or any other place you cared to visit. You can also call around dispensaries that sell them, because there are plenty of them. There is even one called "The Clone Store" (I s@#t you not).

I think if you surf the right boards, and ask the right questions, you can probably get some locals to point you in the direction of the best clone sources, and maybe even the best local strains.

Note that even though clones are readily available, I don't know if the full CO legalization has kicked in yet. I don't think there are any restrictions on selling clones, though there are limits to how many any one person can possess and so clone sellers (particularly dispensaries) may only be willing to sell you a certain number at a time. Best thing is to let your fingers do the walking. . .just pick up your phone, call a CO dispensary that sells them, and ask them how many they can sell you, at what cost, and what (if any) credentials you need to show to buy them. Depending on what they say, that may change your opinion on how practical this project is.

Also, even though the clones are legal in CO, they are HIGHLY illegal to ship out of state. I think you'd have to be super-careful leaving the State especially with out of State tags on your car, because I'm sure law-enforcement in border states is doing a bang-up job screening drivers at the border to bust for taking weed out of state.

but u really helped me wen u broke down the numbers bc I know it would take about 200 in seeds to find something special I think but also would take about 4 months when I could actually just make a weekend of it gas money and like u said clones r cheap.
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Well, I don't really know the costs of something "special" in ceed form, but I can guarantee you that if you did your homework first and spent $200 on clones, you'd have at least several top shelf plants to show for it, and its probably worth it.

If you do try this, make sure to quarantine any clones you bring home for pests before introducing into your main grow area.

Anyways ur right I just kinda took it personal
Nah. . .no offense taken.
I just hate it when people say something "can't" be done!
 

calicat

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Good info. Yeah, the Sugar Punch has been on my wishlist for some time now. Hopefully it will be back in stock soon. There is a ton of stuff I want to try from Sannie. Thanks for the help.
Always a pleasure and good luck with your search just leave me a pack or two of the sugar punch lol.
 
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